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Postby Wysten » Tue Oct 17, 2017 6:23 pm

Free speech is free speech from the far left to the alt right everyone has the right to speak why I do believe that white nationalist are idiots that does not mean they deserve to be punched or shut down. As for the cost that is not Spencer's fault its ANTIFA's fault its sad that we have to have to being in the national guard just because someone has differing opinions.
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Postby The Emerald Legion » Tue Oct 17, 2017 6:28 pm

Torrocca wrote:
United Islamic Commonwealth wrote:I'm not sure, actually. Yeah. Let's get back on track. Nazi should be allowed to speak even if he has absolutely deplorable and idiotic views.


To bring these two topics together in a beautiful ceremony, at least we can mock the fact that Spencer's Nazi cronies from WWII were so shit that 80% of their army was supplied with horses.


Hey! We should be thankful they were. Otherwise Joe Medicine Crow wouldn't have gotten promoted to War Chief by stealing a shitload of them.

They really need to update their rules for becoming War Chief.
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Tue Oct 17, 2017 6:28 pm

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Herador wrote:You ever shoot beer out of your nose from laughter?

Cause the bubbles fucking hurt man.

I mean, Muslim, so can't relate with that specific one, but I know orange juice fucking hurts. Especially the kind with pulp.

GInger ale and then burbing hurts the nose too.
Anyhoo, on the topic of the thread, good. We don't need people supporting a violent political ideology....which made me think of something: if national socialism really was NATIONAL SOCIALISM and not the Hitler-type stuff we see now, what would that be like?
Also, Red Dawn was referring to the downfall of the Native Americans and saying he didn't want that happening in Europe. What was that referring too?
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Tue Oct 17, 2017 6:30 pm

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Torrocca wrote:
To bring these two topics together in a beautiful ceremony, at least we can mock the fact that Spencer's Nazi cronies from WWII were so shit that 80% of their army was supplied with horses.


Hey! We should be thankful they were. Otherwise Joe Medicine Crow wouldn't have gotten promoted to War Chief by stealing a shitload of them.

Wait what? And someone can be a war chief for just that??? :blink:
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Postby The Emerald Legion » Tue Oct 17, 2017 6:31 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
The Emerald Legion wrote:
Hey! We should be thankful they were. Otherwise Joe Medicine Crow wouldn't have gotten promoted to War Chief by stealing a shitload of them.

Wait what? And someone can be a war chief for just that??? :blink:


Well that and three other tasks. But the other tasks are relatively easy to do on a modern battlefield. Horses however Are not easy to find anymore.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Medicine_Crow
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Postby Torrocca » Tue Oct 17, 2017 6:33 pm

The Emerald Legion wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
To bring these two topics together in a beautiful ceremony, at least we can mock the fact that Spencer's Nazi cronies from WWII were so shit that 80% of their army was supplied with horses.


Hey! We should be thankful they were. Otherwise Joe Medicine Crow wouldn't have gotten promoted to War Chief by stealing a shitload of them.

They really need to update their rules for becoming War Chief.


Just rename cars mechanical horses. They already have horsepower after all.
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Postby United Islamic Commonwealth » Tue Oct 17, 2017 6:34 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
The Emerald Legion wrote:
Hey! We should be thankful they were. Otherwise Joe Medicine Crow wouldn't have gotten promoted to War Chief by stealing a shitload of them.

Wait what? And someone can be a war chief for just that??? :blink:

To be a Crow Chief, you need to touch an enemy without killing him (counting coup), take an enemy's weapon, lead a successful war party, and steal an enemy's horse. He did all of this in WWII. He stole the horses when he led a party to steal 50 horses from the SS at a Nazi work camp.
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Postby Oil exporting People » Tue Oct 17, 2017 6:39 pm

Torrocca wrote:Governor Scott has declared a state of emergency for Alachua County ahead of Richard Spencer's planned speech on Thursday on the campus of the University of Florida.

In my opinion, this is a good move on the Governor's part, and a shit one on Spencer's part. I'd rather not see a Nazi in my home state, and I'd much rather not see another bout of violence caused by a Nazi. I've always been politically against Nazis and Nazism, and against really letting them spread their Nazism. I'm also, frankly, concerned about the well-being of several of my friends at the University. So, again, I'm entirely in support of Governor Scott's measures here.

What are your thoughts, NSG?


You do know this doesn't stop Spencer's speech and there's nothing that can be done to accomplish such, right?
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Postby Torrocca » Tue Oct 17, 2017 6:43 pm

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Torrocca wrote:Governor Scott has declared a state of emergency for Alachua County ahead of Richard Spencer's planned speech on Thursday on the campus of the University of Florida.

In my opinion, this is a good move on the Governor's part, and a shit one on Spencer's part. I'd rather not see a Nazi in my home state, and I'd much rather not see another bout of violence caused by a Nazi. I've always been politically against Nazis and Nazism, and against really letting them spread their Nazism. I'm also, frankly, concerned about the well-being of several of my friends at the University. So, again, I'm entirely in support of Governor Scott's measures here.

What are your thoughts, NSG?


You do know this doesn't stop Spencer's speech and there's nothing that can be done to accomplish such, right?


I... never said it did?
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Postby Oil exporting People » Tue Oct 17, 2017 6:46 pm

Torrocca wrote:I... never said it did?


Just making sure, you're use of "and against really letting them spread their Nazism" followed by praise of Scott's measure made me think you did believe such.
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Tue Oct 17, 2017 6:46 pm

Oil exporting People wrote:
Torrocca wrote:Governor Scott has declared a state of emergency for Alachua County ahead of Richard Spencer's planned speech on Thursday on the campus of the University of Florida.

In my opinion, this is a good move on the Governor's part, and a shit one on Spencer's part. I'd rather not see a Nazi in my home state, and I'd much rather not see another bout of violence caused by a Nazi. I've always been politically against Nazis and Nazism, and against really letting them spread their Nazism. I'm also, frankly, concerned about the well-being of several of my friends at the University. So, again, I'm entirely in support of Governor Scott's measures here.

What are your thoughts, NSG?


You do know this doesn't stop Spencer's speech and there's nothing that can be done to accomplish such, right?

Well, there's 2 outcomes of this:
1: Other white supremacists shut up
2: They get bold and wanna yik yak more.
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Postby Oil exporting People » Tue Oct 17, 2017 6:47 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:Well there's 2 outcomes of this:
1: Other white supremacists shut up
2: They get bold and wanna yik yak more.


Not really sure what you mean on the first point, and number two is already underway; rallies coming up in Shelbyville and elsewhere soon.
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Postby Torrocca » Tue Oct 17, 2017 6:48 pm

Oil exporting People wrote:
Torrocca wrote:I... never said it did?


Just making sure, you're use of "and against really letting them spread their Nazism" followed by praise of Scott's measure made me think you did believe such.


I mean, I certainly wish that was the case. Alas. Nazism must march on.
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Tue Oct 17, 2017 6:49 pm

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El-Amin Caliphate wrote:Well there's 2 outcomes of this:
1: Other white supremacists shut up
2: They get bold and wanna yik yak more.


Not really sure what you mean on the first point, and number two is already underway; rallies coming up in Shelbyville and elsewhere soon.

The 1st point meant that others like him will learn that their views aren't welcome and they wouldn't wanna shout out their views to the world. But sense the 2nd point is happening...oh boy >shudders<
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Postby Oil exporting People » Tue Oct 17, 2017 6:49 pm

Torrocca wrote:I mean, I certainly wish that was the case. Alas. Nazism must march on.


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Postby Torrocca » Tue Oct 17, 2017 6:50 pm

Oil exporting People wrote:
Torrocca wrote:I mean, I certainly wish that was the case. Alas. Nazism must march on.


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Postby Oil exporting People » Tue Oct 17, 2017 6:50 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:The 1st point meant that others like him will learn that their views aren't welcome and they wouldn't wanna shout out their views to the world. But sense the 2nd point is happening...oh boy >shudders<


Had they wanted to crush it, they've already long since missed their chance. At this point, any crackdown gives martyrs, and it's far too big now anyway.
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Postby Liriena » Tue Oct 17, 2017 7:30 pm

Torrocca wrote:
Oil exporting People wrote:
Just making sure, you're use of "and against really letting them spread their Nazism" followed by praise of Scott's measure made me think you did believe such.


I mean, I certainly wish that was the case. Alas. Nazism must march on.

It's not too late, though. We can still publicly humilliate Spencer and his ilk into tears. We can still apply the Mel Brooks method of antifa action: relentless mockery of fascism down to its imagery. There's a reason why Nazis don't sing "Springtime for Hitler". :3
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Postby Torrocca » Tue Oct 17, 2017 7:32 pm

Liriena wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
I mean, I certainly wish that was the case. Alas. Nazism must march on.

It's not too late, though. We can still publicly humilliate Spencer and his ilk into tears. We can still apply the Mel Brooks method of antifa action: relentless mockery of fascism down to its imagery. There's a reason why Nazis don't sing "Springtime for Hitler". :3


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Postby The Emerald Legion » Tue Oct 17, 2017 7:33 pm

Liriena wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
I mean, I certainly wish that was the case. Alas. Nazism must march on.

It's not too late, though. We can still publicly humilliate Spencer and his ilk into tears. We can still apply the Mel Brooks method of antifa action: relentless mockery of fascism down to its imagery. There's a reason why Nazis don't sing "Springtime for Hitler". :3


Indeed. They thrive off the sheer mass of Edgelord-yness.

Mock them and their delusions of being the villain of your story, and thus the hero of theirs fall apart.
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Liriena wrote:It's not too late, though. We can still publicly humilliate Spencer and his ilk into tears. We can still apply the Mel Brooks method of antifa action: relentless mockery of fascism down to its imagery. There's a reason why Nazis don't sing "Springtime for Hitler". :3


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Postby Oil exporting People » Tue Oct 17, 2017 7:43 pm

Liriena wrote:A racist, anti-semitic website, huh?

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Liriena wrote:A racist, anti-semitic website, huh?

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Liriena wrote:A racist, anti-semitic website, huh?

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I thought this was open knowledge? Here's my 8values, if my sig wasn't enough:

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