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Postby United Islamic Commonwealth » Tue Oct 17, 2017 4:06 pm

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United Islamic Commonwealth wrote:So, would I count as white? :lol: I grew up in majority white country, speak English, etc. I'm "culturally white", right? Or is that not supreme enough?

In some ways you're a distant cousin. A lot like the Indians who aren't Dravidian.

Wasn't the question. Am I "culturally white"?
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Postby United States of Red Dawn » Tue Oct 17, 2017 4:07 pm

United Islamic Commonwealth wrote:
United States of Red Dawn wrote:In some ways you're a distant cousin. A lot like the Indians who aren't Dravidian.

Wasn't the question. Am I "culturally white"?

Short answer is yes.
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Postby The Sauganash Union » Tue Oct 17, 2017 4:08 pm

United Islamic Commonwealth wrote:
United States of Red Dawn wrote:In some ways you're a distant cousin. A lot like the Indians who aren't Dravidian.

Wasn't the question. Am I "culturally white"?


Yes. If my parents moved to China when I was just a baby and I was raised in Chinese culture, I would be culturally Chinese.

But I would not be an ethnic Chinese. I would still be white.
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Postby Trumptonium » Tue Oct 17, 2017 4:10 pm

The Sauganash Union wrote:
United Islamic Commonwealth wrote:Wasn't the question. Am I "culturally white"?


Yes. If my parents moved to China when I was just a baby and I was raised in Chinese culture, I would be culturally Chinese.

But I would not be an ethnic Chinese. I would still be white.


You wouldn't be ethnic Chinese because Chinese is not an ethnicity, though.
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Postby Torrocca » Tue Oct 17, 2017 4:10 pm

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Who the fuck said this pointless bit of bullshit on this thread besides you?


So you don't think the Arabs have a genetically derived right to claim Israel, and thus the Jews there are there justly?


I just don't think, mate. Especially not of dumb, loaded questions like this.
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Postby United Islamic Commonwealth » Tue Oct 17, 2017 4:12 pm

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United Islamic Commonwealth wrote:Wasn't the question. Am I "culturally white"?

Short answer is yes.

Glad to hear I fit into your racist utopia! :D So, would the same hold true for the black people who have grown up in Europe? Does that also mean that all white people need to leave the US, Canada, Australia, South Africa, New Zealand, Mexico, Brasil, Argentina, etc. and move back to Europe?
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Postby Trumptonium » Tue Oct 17, 2017 4:13 pm

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So you don't think the Arabs have a genetically derived right to claim Israel, and thus the Jews there are there justly?


I just don't think, mate.


You said it yourself.
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Postby Torrocca » Tue Oct 17, 2017 4:14 pm

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I just don't think, mate.


You said it yourself.


Again, not of questions like yours.
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Postby United States of Red Dawn » Tue Oct 17, 2017 4:18 pm

United Islamic Commonwealth wrote:
United States of Red Dawn wrote:Short answer is yes.

Glad to hear I fit into your racist utopia! :D So, would the same hold true for the black people who have grown up in Europe? Does that also mean that all white people need to leave the US, Canada, Australia, South Africa, New Zealand, Mexico, Brasil, Argentina, etc. and move back to Europe?

No, I believe in homelands, though, because they're necessary. But there will always be a diaspora and the privilege to migrate, for lack of a better word. It's very simple, look at what happened to the American Indians. Then take it from there. I don't want the same to happen to us.

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Postby United Islamic Commonwealth » Tue Oct 17, 2017 4:21 pm

United States of Red Dawn wrote:
United Islamic Commonwealth wrote:Glad to hear I fit into your racist utopia! :D So, would the same hold true for the black people who have grown up in Europe? Does that also mean that all white people need to leave the US, Canada, Australia, South Africa, New Zealand, Mexico, Brasil, Argentina, etc. and move back to Europe?

No, I believe in homelands, though, because they're necessary. But there will always be a diaspora and the privilege to migrate, for lack of a better word. It's very simple, look at what happened to the American Indians. Then take it from there. I don't want the same to happen to us.

{YES, I know white people harmed the American Indians, but we still have a right to exist also.} Right to exist is where it really begins and ends.

What did happen to the American Indians? They've got great food. Curry is pretty good.
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Postby United States of Red Dawn » Tue Oct 17, 2017 4:24 pm

United Islamic Commonwealth wrote:
United States of Red Dawn wrote:No, I believe in homelands, though, because they're necessary. But there will always be a diaspora and the privilege to migrate, for lack of a better word. It's very simple, look at what happened to the American Indians. Then take it from there. I don't want the same to happen to us.

{YES, I know white people harmed the American Indians, but we still have a right to exist also.} Right to exist is where it really begins and ends.

What did happen to the American Indians? They've got great food. Curry is pretty good.

:eyebrow: Got it.
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Postby Trumptonium » Tue Oct 17, 2017 4:25 pm

United Islamic Commonwealth wrote:
United States of Red Dawn wrote:No, I believe in homelands, though, because they're necessary. But there will always be a diaspora and the privilege to migrate, for lack of a better word. It's very simple, look at what happened to the American Indians. Then take it from there. I don't want the same to happen to us.

{YES, I know white people harmed the American Indians, but we still have a right to exist also.} Right to exist is where it really begins and ends.

What did happen to the American Indians? They've got great food. Curry is pretty good.


I think you need to brush up on geography a little friendo.
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Postby United Islamic Commonwealth » Tue Oct 17, 2017 4:26 pm

United States of Red Dawn wrote:
United Islamic Commonwealth wrote:What did happen to the American Indians? They've got great food. Curry is pretty good.

:eyebrow: Got it.

Seriously, though, invasion of another "race's homeland" is fine, so long as it's white people that did it? And please elaborate on this "privilege to migrate"?
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Postby United Islamic Commonwealth » Tue Oct 17, 2017 4:27 pm

Trumptonium wrote:
United Islamic Commonwealth wrote:What did happen to the American Indians? They've got great food. Curry is pretty good.


I think you need to brush up on geography a little friendo.

How's that? India is in Asia. American Indians are Indians who have emigrated to the US. Anything else is just geographical ignorance.
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Population: 135,931,000 | Area: 2,663,077 km² | Location: Middle East
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Postby Shikihara » Tue Oct 17, 2017 4:28 pm

United Islamic Commonwealth wrote:
United States of Red Dawn wrote:No, I believe in homelands, though, because they're necessary. But there will always be a diaspora and the privilege to migrate, for lack of a better word. It's very simple, look at what happened to the American Indians. Then take it from there. I don't want the same to happen to us.

{YES, I know white people harmed the American Indians, but we still have a right to exist also.} Right to exist is where it really begins and ends.

What did happen to the American Indians? They've got great food. Curry is pretty good.


The fact that people actually like curry makes me die a little on the inside.
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Postby United Islamic Commonwealth » Tue Oct 17, 2017 4:30 pm

Shikihara wrote:
United Islamic Commonwealth wrote:What did happen to the American Indians? They've got great food. Curry is pretty good.


The fact that people actually like curry makes me die a little on the inside.

Seriously? Oh, my condolences, mate. Curry is beautiful. Thai, Indian, Pakistani, etc. It's delicious.
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Postby Bakery Hill » Tue Oct 17, 2017 4:32 pm

Shikihara wrote:
United Islamic Commonwealth wrote:What did happen to the American Indians? They've got great food. Curry is pretty good.


The fact that people actually like curry makes me die a little on the inside.

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Postby United States of Red Dawn » Tue Oct 17, 2017 4:34 pm

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The fact that people actually like curry makes me die a little on the inside.

"Why would I want ethnic food when I can have a nice juicy hot dog!?"

That means what?
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Postby Bakery Hill » Tue Oct 17, 2017 4:35 pm

United States of Red Dawn wrote:
Bakery Hill wrote:"Why would I want ethnic food when I can have a nice juicy hot dog!?"

That means what?

What means what?
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Postby Oldenfranck » Tue Oct 17, 2017 4:36 pm

I hate this man.

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Postby Clintonburge » Tue Oct 17, 2017 4:42 pm

Richard Spencer is deplorable. But, he has the right to spout his rhetoric. Hopefully love will trump hate.

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Postby The Emerald Legion » Tue Oct 17, 2017 4:42 pm

Torrocca wrote:I really, genuinely cannot grasp why it's somehow so wrong to suggest that a Nazi isn't someone belonging in a civilized society. Again, these are people who, at their very fucking core, want to murder people. Innocent people. Millions upon millions of them. They're not people who're born to a religion and fervently stick to it; they're not people born with a color of skin that can define them as a person and be used to ostracize them, either. They're people who're willingly accepting a vile ideology and fully committing to the belief that it's okay to want to kill people for being different. This, too, is something they and their ideology has already done. We have a very recent amount of history to look at to understand them clearly. What I'm seeing is you equating them to Joe Schmoe off on the streets, which is bewildering because you're basically saying, "hey, Nazi, although your opinion on 'The Final Solution' is heinous and completely immoral, it's a valid one." That complacency in the face of something that's already shown itself for all its worth in our very recent history is, frankly, disgusting.


Because by doing so you grant them power.

I'm going to be blunt here, this opinion? The one you express above? Is the exact opinion Neo-Nazi's want you to hold. Their ideology is shit, so they need smoke and mirrors to get anywhere near enough people to become a force in society. You are HAPPILY providing them with the smoke with your torches and pitchforks.
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Postby Zanera » Tue Oct 17, 2017 4:44 pm

The Emerald Legion wrote:
Torrocca wrote:I really, genuinely cannot grasp why it's somehow so wrong to suggest that a Nazi isn't someone belonging in a civilized society. Again, these are people who, at their very fucking core, want to murder people. Innocent people. Millions upon millions of them. They're not people who're born to a religion and fervently stick to it; they're not people born with a color of skin that can define them as a person and be used to ostracize them, either. They're people who're willingly accepting a vile ideology and fully committing to the belief that it's okay to want to kill people for being different. This, too, is something they and their ideology has already done. We have a very recent amount of history to look at to understand them clearly. What I'm seeing is you equating them to Joe Schmoe off on the streets, which is bewildering because you're basically saying, "hey, Nazi, although your opinion on 'The Final Solution' is heinous and completely immoral, it's a valid one." That complacency in the face of something that's already shown itself for all its worth in our very recent history is, frankly, disgusting.


Because by doing so you grant them power.

I'm going to be blunt here, this opinion? The one you express above? Is the exact opinion Neo-Nazi's want you to hold. Their ideology is shit, so they need smoke and mirrors to get anywhere near enough people to become a force in society. You are HAPPILY providing them with the smoke with your torches and pitchforks.


How do pitchforks produce smoke?

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Postby The Emerald Legion » Tue Oct 17, 2017 4:47 pm

Zanera wrote:
The Emerald Legion wrote:
Because by doing so you grant them power.

I'm going to be blunt here, this opinion? The one you express above? Is the exact opinion Neo-Nazi's want you to hold. Their ideology is shit, so they need smoke and mirrors to get anywhere near enough people to become a force in society. You are HAPPILY providing them with the smoke with your torches and pitchforks.


How do pitchforks produce smoke?


It's like you've never lit a pitchfork on fire with a torch to chase a mad scientist out of town or something.
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Postby Zanera » Tue Oct 17, 2017 4:48 pm

The Emerald Legion wrote:
Zanera wrote:
How do pitchforks produce smoke?


It's like you've never lit a pitchfork on fire with a torch to chase a mad scientist out of town or something.


Can't say I have. Carry on.

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