Richard Spencer and Modern Nazism: #NotMyAmerica

[Liriena]

Maybe some of them will go on to advocate for a Marxist revolution or engage in some nice anarchist praxis.

So basically, "ignore that a lot of Antifa members want to kill us and violently overthrow society so they can deal with the non-existent threat of Spencer becoming Führer and initiating the Final Solution." yeah, sorry no. Antifa will not actually do anything besides give Spencer more attention, and it's not a good idea to allow anti-capitalist looters to be allowed to use violence. That's sort of how we got Fascism the first time, ironically.

Who is "us"?

Also, yes, we know that centrists have a tendency to side with the totalitarian right when in doubt. (See: supposed moderate centrists making excuses for Pinochet because Allende was mean)

[Trumptonium]

Waste of money, let them fight and let Darwin's theories run their course.

Except Darwin himself never actually was a Social Darwinist.

Did I say he was?

[The Sauganash Union]

So basically, "ignore that a lot of Antifa members want to kill us and violently overthrow society so they can deal with the non-existent threat of Spencer becoming Führer and initiating the Final Solution." yeah, sorry no. Antifa will not actually do anything besides give Spencer more attention, and it's not a good idea to allow anti-capitalist looters to be allowed to use violence. That's sort of how we got Fascism the first time, ironically.

Who is "us"?

Also, yes, we know that centrists have a tendency to side with the totalitarian right when in doubt. (See: supposed moderate centrists making excuses for Pinochet because Allende was mean)

Gee, normal people pick the lesser of two evils? Wow.

[Kramania]

Oh, I see. People just can't control themselves. "I didn't mean to punch him in the face, your honor! I was just so thoroughly triggered that the hand of Lenin reached up from the burning pits of hell and threw my fist into his face!"

Quaint, but not at all what I said. But hey, I'll keep this in mind for future reference on the topic of threats, idle authorities, and self-defence.

Then please stop trying to rationalize violence.

I know.

If you know, then it's (ironically) unreasonable to continue to be reasonable. Trying to act from a point of rationality on an irrational matter is like trying to play checkers according to the rules of chess.

Then it's only rational to be irrational?

[Liriena]

That's it. Maybe some of them will go on to advocate for a Marxist revolution or engage in some nice anarchist praxis.

Yeah, I'd rather have fascism than this shit.

Of course.

[Kramania]

So basically, "ignore that a lot of Antifa members want to kill us and violently overthrow society so they can deal with the non-existent threat of Spencer becoming Führer and initiating the Final Solution." yeah, sorry no. Antifa will not actually do anything besides give Spencer more attention, and it's not a good idea to allow anti-capitalist looters to be allowed to use violence. That's sort of how we got Fascism the first time, ironically.

Who is "us"?

Also, yes, we know that centrists have a tendency to side with the totalitarian right when in doubt. (See: supposed moderate centrists making excuses for Pinochet because Allende was mean)

hehehehe

I remember that.

[United States of Red Dawn]

You prove that it is all the time. Defend the right of white people to have group interests, and the right to be thought of as a unique and distinct people with the right to exist as such; then I will believe you're a genuine anti-racist.

I'd never do that. I value the experiences of my Irish, Nordic, Germanic, Italian, Iberian, etc brothers and sisters to defend an idea that wants to erase their identities.

White and subsets. I never thought of us as otherwise.

[Trumptonium]

His preference for black men is merely self-declared

For someone who is only vocally attracted to race x, it would certainly be awkward if he posted pictures on social media of him marrying a person of race x two weeks ago...

Not that I care, I don't like him, but my hatred of Buzzfeed and Snopes et al justifies enemy of my enemy being a friend.

[Shikihara]

You're right, they were born with radical terrorism in their blood. We should really start genetic screening for that.

Considering you've not actually made an argument here and instead just chosen to completely misinterpret what I said, think I can safely ignore this without being accused of not being able to respond.

What the fuck do you think that a message of German supremacism is?

It's not an argument for one. It's a belief, which is nowhere near the same as an argument.

A bad argument is not any less of an argument for being bad. JC Christ...

You should go back to school, fam. I think you missed a few classes, mainly the Language ones.

Arguments in the real world aren't rated like in a fucking debate club.

That's actually my entire point which is why Spencer, NAMBLA, and ISIS won't be turning people into little Nazis, pedophiles, and terrorists.

[United States of Red Dawn]

So basically, "ignore that a lot of Antifa members want to kill us and violently overthrow society so they can deal with the non-existent threat of Spencer becoming Führer and initiating the Final Solution." yeah, sorry no. Antifa will not actually do anything besides give Spencer more attention, and it's not a good idea to allow anti-capitalist looters to be allowed to use violence. That's sort of how we got Fascism the first time, ironically.

Who is "us"?

Also, yes, we know that centrists have a tendency to side with the totalitarian right when in doubt. (See: supposed moderate centrists making excuses for Pinochet because Allende was mean)

Us is whomever whites decide is us.

[The Sauganash Union]

I await to see how this unfolds, and I'm curious in what Spencer has to say.

He'll point out a number of legitimate grievances with the economy, multiculturalist nonsense, progressive nonsense, and feminist nonsense, then he'll say
"And the reason for it? JEWS!"

Spencer doesn't do the whole Jewish thing very much, unlike his cohorts. He'll mention it in passing, but I don't think he cares a whole lot.

And attempt to construct a coherent narrative for how this is the case, thereby seeking to consolidate opposition to progressivism and neoliberalism into the neo-nazi movement.

Seems to be what every anti-establishment ideology does.

This has been mildly successful because critics of neoliberalism and progressivism tend to get witch hunted and demonized

That's not the fault of the right.

but nazis are already demonized so they don't care.

If they're already public about it, probably not.

The silencing of moderate opponents has yielded ground to extremists,

Could the moderates have silenced themselves due to their own incompetence? Take Jeb Bush for example.

and the authoritarian impulses of the left have caused the authoritarian right to gain prominence.

Correct.

One consequence is rising KKK membership and hate crimes, in part because of this attempt by the far-right to consolidate opposition into their camp.

Hate crimes are bad PR. Seems to be a bad way to gain supporters.

If no news source will report on things they deem politically incorrect except far-right ones, people begin to read far-right papers. Breitbart was catapulted ahead by the Gamergate scandal, for instance.

I'd hardly call Breitbart far-right. We had Breitbart come to speak to my College Republican club back when I was in school. Those guys were just a bunch of nerds.

[Liriena]

Who is "us"?

Also, yes, we know that centrists have a tendency to side with the totalitarian right when in doubt. (See: supposed moderate centrists making excuses for Pinochet because Allende was mean)

Gee, normal people pick the lesser of two evils? Wow.

The lesser of two evils to you, yes. We can debate whether this perception is in fact accurate.

[Conserative Morality]

Then please stop trying to rationalize violence.

Violence is very often rational. I don't know why you would want me to distort the truth. Or do I have your permission to call the next incident of self-defence I see irrational?

Then it's only rational to be irrational?

In some circumstances, yes, it's only rational to try to understand and interact with a concept irrationally, and irrational to try to do so rationally.

[Liriena]

Spencer supports genocide, though. He promotes what's pretty much the worst sort of abuse and criminality imaginable.

I didn't see Nazi salutes. If they were they weren't very good ones. They raised their arms almost straight in the air. Rightly or wrongly, there are people who don't believe that the Nazis committed genocide; I'm not one of them.

Did you read the article? Spencer explicitly supported ethnic cleansing.

But, if you make it impossible for white people to pursue a healthy and more moderate form of Nationalism, then you open it up to the most extreme people you can find.

"I didn't want to be a Nazi, but you made me do it!!!!!"

Come the heck on...

[Kramania]

Then please stop trying to rationalize violence.

Violence is very often rational. I don't know why you would want me to distort the truth. Or do I have your permission to call the next incident of self-defence I see irrational?

Perhaps I should have been more specific. I find Antifa-style political violence to be wholly irrational.

Then it's only rational to be irrational?

In some circumstances, yes, it's only rational to try to understand and interact with a concept irrationally, and irrational to try to do so rationally.[/quote]
I try to avoid that.

[Trumptonium]

Also, yes, we know that centrists have a tendency to side with the totalitarian right when in doubt. (See: supposed moderate centrists making excuses for Pinochet because Allende was mean)

You're aware the free & fair referendum on removing Pinochet in 1988 resulted in a near 50/50 vote, right?

[Sernarbia]

https://web.archive.org/web/20120218040 ... ide-right/

Ahem

These questions are being asked and answered everyday in South Africa as any visitor to the blog Boer Genocide will attest. The blog collects and collates news stories on an unending flood of racially-motivated atrocities – a Herculean task that has to be done because no one else, least of all the Western media, is moving a muscle to do so. And it must be deeply unpleasant work too as the crimes reported are truly horrendous and disgusting. A recent and quite typical story concerned a disabled White man, Thys Henzen, 43, who was arrested on a trumped up charge, beaten by Black police, and then savagely sodomized by Black prisoners in the police cells, something that is not uncommon and which has been likened to a "war crimes pattern."

His ordeal started on 29 January 2012: he was roughly arrested that evening inside his own home, brutally assaulted, thrown into the police vehicle despite his physical frailty - and a few hours later the totally helpless Afrikaner man was dragged from his wheelchair inside the SAPS-cells—and raped with considerable violence by a black detainee: one man had held a blanket over his mouth while another sodomised him. He has been examined and given a first round of antiretroviral medicine to prevent AIDS-transfer. However—he cannot afford the entire course of medicines he would need to make sure he won’t end up with AIDS after his ordeal.

It sounds like a hypothetical scenario and a reaction to racial crimes committed by blacks just like the one above. Whites also feel anger when attacked and brutalized.

So genocide is OK as long as you claim self defence? The fuck?

[United States of Red Dawn]

Then please stop trying to rationalize violence.

Violence is very often rational. I don't know why you would want me to distort the truth. Or do I have your permission to call the next incident of self-defence I see irrational?

Then it's only rational to be irrational?

In some circumstances, yes, it's only rational to try to understand and interact with a concept irrationally, and irrational to try to do so rationally.

Is the need of white people to seek a form of self-defense irrational? If there are a number of whites who think they need it, then it is at least a reasonable and rational instinct to seek it. That's what you're seeing happen in the world right now.

[Liriena]

His preference for black men is merely self-declared

For someone who is only vocally attracted to race x, it would certainly be awkward if he posted pictures on social media of him marrying a person of race x two weeks ago...

Not that I care, I don't like him, but my hatred of Buzzfeed and Snopes et al justifies enemy of my enemy being a friend.

"Enemy of my enemy is my friend" has its limits as an excuse. I'd like to think Yiannopoulos is one such limit.

I was not aware that he had posted pictures on social media of his wedding.

[Conserative Morality]

Considering you've not actually made an argument here and instead just chosen to completely misinterpret what I said, think I can safely ignore this without being accused of not being able to respond.

Your inability to identify arguments is astounding. I did make an argument - albeit through a sarcastic statement.

It's not an argument for one. It's a belief, which is nowhere near the same as an argument.

Belief: "We should kill the Jews."
Argument: "Because Germans are superior."

A bad argument is not any less of an argument for being bad. JC Christ...

You should go back to school, fam. I think you missed a few classes, mainly the Language ones.

I'm sure you can enlighten me, then, on how a bad 'noun' is not a 'noun' for being bad.

Buchanon was a bad president. Therefore, he was not a president.

Arguments in the real world aren't rated like in a fucking debate club.

That's actually my entire point which is why Spencer, NAMBLA, and ISIS won't be turning people into little Nazis, pedophiles, and terrorists.

... because they would score well in debate club?

They wouldn't, as you and I both know, but that has nothing to do with the attractiveness of the arguments they present. Their 'quality', if you will, in a real world setting.

[Liriena]

Who is "us"?

Also, yes, we know that centrists have a tendency to side with the totalitarian right when in doubt. (See: supposed moderate centrists making excuses for Pinochet because Allende was mean)

Us is whomever whites decide is us.

Meaning antifa wants to kill all white people?????

[United States of Red Dawn]

It sounds like a hypothetical scenario and a reaction to racial crimes committed by blacks just like the one above. Whites also feel anger when attacked and brutalized.

So genocide is OK as long as you claim self defence? The fuck?

Take off to South Africa or Detroit or Chicago and see how long you think about 'genocide' when you're being victimized. If you're white that is.

[Liriena]

Also, yes, we know that centrists have a tendency to side with the totalitarian right when in doubt. (See: supposed moderate centrists making excuses for Pinochet because Allende was mean)

You're aware the free & fair referendum on removing Pinochet in 1988 resulted in a near 50/50 vote, right?

How does that contradict what I said?

[Torrocca]

Violence is very often rational. I don't know why you would want me to distort the truth. Or do I have your permission to call the next incident of self-defence I see irrational?

In some circumstances, yes, it's only rational to try to understand and interact with a concept irrationally, and irrational to try to do so rationally.

Is the need of white people to seek a form of self-defense irrational? If there are a number of whites who think they need it, then it is at least a reasonable and rational instinct to seek it. That's what you're seeing happen in the world right now.

Except it's irrational as all fuck because white people aren't being threatened for being white people. You're buying in to the shit narratives of white supremacists.

[United Islamic Commonwealth]

Who is "us"?

Also, yes, we know that centrists have a tendency to side with the totalitarian right when in doubt. (See: supposed moderate centrists making excuses for Pinochet because Allende was mean)

Us is whomever whites decide is us.

Can you elaborate on that? Whites decide who can be considered white? Not genetics?