Richard Spencer and Modern Nazism: #NotMyAmerica

[Internationalist Bastard]

But according to him, we can form a white ethnostate without violence. Everyone else just disapears I guess

Please tell me youd die in a pile of brass, fabalous race traitor

More likely in my home, I imagine racist cowards in modern America would rather kill me in my sleep then face the thought of an armed liberal

[Tekeristan]

Please tell me youd die in a pile of brass, fabalous race traitor

More likely in my home, I imagine racist cowards in modern America would rather kill me in my sleep then face the thought of an armed liberal

Thats quite true. They arent exactly known for "honor" after all.
Full on redneck revolt

[Narintia]

Ah, okay.
Hold my vodka.

Ah, because if you can't beat them.... beat them?

Not necessarily. It seems public humilliation worked just as well in this case. Now we have video of him whining and screeching like a toddler as he gets trolled and heckled in his own event, and it's on the internet, so it'll be there for us to see and share forever. :3

Ah, because its okay because its a Nazi!!!! Hurr durr ITS A NEZI GUYS!!11!!

If he is saying something you don't like and can't refute, kick his ass. It's the new and enlightened progressive way to do things.

Not really, but that's pretty rich coming from white supremacists. The entire white supremacist worldview is just one big, fat, dumb, malicious lie told by people with no intellectual honesty.

It's RIDICULOUSLY easy to refute all this white supremacy BS. But rather then beating the shit out of somebody, you could- i dunno, engage in a debate? Don't stoop down to their level, please. It hurts your argument if you start beating the fuck and spewing insults at them.

HU! HERESY! YOU CAN'T- LIKE JUST RESPECT A NAZIS OPINION! THATS RECIST MEN!!!

Not beating Nazi scum to a pulp doesn't mean you "respect" their "opinion". It just means you don't oppose their bollocks through physical violence.

Nazis' "opinion" deserves no respect.

Ah- okay because just because they are a Nazi, they aren't a human being, and its okay for you to beat the shit out of them? That sounds fucking barbaric. Communism did 10x worse things to my homeland (Estonia) Does that give me the right to beat the shit out of Jeremy Corbyn the next time I see him? No! That's fucking stupid!Have some self restraint, maybe?

HU! HERESY! YOU CAN'T- LIKE JUST RESPECT A NAZIS OPINION! THATS RECIST MEN!!!

Personally I'd rather not have the Nazis trying to get into power since they'd aim to kill me, my family, and most of my friends. Nazis as such don't deserve respect. Why's this so hard for you and the other Nazi sympathisers to understand? Seriously, why? Explain it to me because I'd like to know.

Because you can fucking quit trying to justify assault on the basis of someones opinion, maybe? What's for them to decide that you're not worthy of respect? What's to say that then, our streets just break down into disorganized chaos?

[Torrocca]

Personally I'd rather not have the Nazis trying to get into power since they'd aim to kill me, my family, and most of my friends. Nazis as such don't deserve respect. Why's this so hard for you and the other Nazi sympathisers to understand? Seriously, why? Explain it to me because I'd like to know.

Because you can fucking quit trying to justify assault on the basis of someones opinion, maybe? What's for them to decide that you're not worthy of respect? What's to say that then, our streets just break down into disorganized chaos?

Dude, they want to kill people. Kill as in murder, as in genocide! What's so hard to get that there's something fucking wrong with that? Jesus fucking Christ, we're not talking about punching someone for being rich or poor or for being a man or a woman or for being black or white or for being young or old or for having a "different" opinion! We're fucking talking about people that want to commit full-fledged murder!

[Tekeristan]

Because you can fucking quit trying to justify assault on the basis of someones opinion, maybe? What's for them to decide that you're not worthy of respect? What's to say that then, our streets just break down into disorganized chaos?

Dude, they want to kill people. Kill as in murder, as in genocide! What's so hard to get that there's something fucking wrong with that? Jesus fucking Christ, we're not talking about punching someone for being rich or poor or for being a man or a woman or for being black or white or for being young or old or for having a "different" opinion! We're fucking talking about people that want to commit full-fledged murder!

A better front might be the use od intimidation tactics and so forth used by said groups. Debate is often something that is just infeasible for said people too, its about talking to the people theyre trying to pull into their rings, not the ones already inside, which is just about 90% of what the whole movement does

[Pilarcraft]

Because you can fucking quit trying to justify assault on the basis of someones opinion, maybe? What's for them to decide that you're not worthy of respect? What's to say that then, our streets just break down into disorganized chaos?

Dude, they want to kill people. Kill as in murder, as in genocide! What's so hard to get that there's something fucking wrong with that? Jesus fucking Christ, we're not talking about punching someone for being rich or poor or for being a man or a woman or for being black or white or for being young or old or for having a "different" opinion! We're fucking talking about people that want to commit full-fledged murder!

you see it's easier if the genocide won't affect you in any way. if you don't realize that "people who aren't White and Straight are not humans, let's kill all of them and take over the world" is a direct threat, it'll be an abstract political "opinion" for you.

[Liriena]

Ah, okay.
Hold my vodka.

Not necessarily. It seems public humilliation worked just as well in this case. Now we have video of him whining and screeching like a toddler as he gets trolled and heckled in his own event, and it's on the internet, so it'll be there for us to see and share forever. :3

Ah, because its okay because its a Nazi!!!! Hurr durr ITS A NEZI GUYS!!11!!

Yes. Nazis and white supremacists are scum. It's okay to relentlessly mock them.

Not really, but that's pretty rich coming from white supremacists. The entire white supremacist worldview is just one big, fat, dumb, malicious lie told by people with no intellectual honesty.

It's RIDICULOUSLY easy to refute all this white supremacy BS. But rather then beating the shit out of somebody, you could- i dunno, engage in a debate? Don't stoop down to their level, please. It hurts your argument if you start beating the fuck and spewing insults at them.

We've already refuted white supremacy, and I thought I was quite explicit about preferring mockery and humilliation to violence.

Not beating Nazi scum to a pulp doesn't mean you "respect" their "opinion". It just means you don't oppose their bollocks through physical violence.

Nazis' "opinion" deserves no respect.

Ah- okay because just because they are a Nazi, they aren't a human being, and its okay for you to beat the shit out of them?

Nice strawman, brah, but I said no such thing.

That sounds fucking barbaric.

Political violence might be wrong, but "barbaric"? Nah. It's been a part of Western history and pretty much every Western ideology for centuries. It's not some random aberration.

Communism did 10x worse things to my homeland (Estonia) Does that give me the right to beat the shit out of Jeremy Corbyn the next time I see him? No! That's fucking stupid!Have some self restraint, maybe?

Again, I did not advocate for political violence. Also, Jeremy Corbyn is not a communist or in any way equivalent to Richard Spencer.

Methinks you're a bit biased.

[Tekeristan]

See, the thing is, I can explain it, and so can most people. The problem is with your blatant nihilism.

Regardless, good morals are a simple concept to grasp: empathy, sympathy, generosity, honesty, kindness, integrity, etc.

Human decency is the same: don't be a fucking asshole to others.

Why?

Or you could ignore what we all said.

I've responded to your post. A lot of the others looked like relics from a sad experiment where obese menopausal teaching assistants improvise a dialogue between the robot from star wars and a late night TV host at his historic sex offenses trial to a nursery of disabled children.

Why?

[Narintia]

Because you can fucking quit trying to justify assault on the basis of someones opinion, maybe? What's for them to decide that you're not worthy of respect? What's to say that then, our streets just break down into disorganized chaos?

Dude, they want to kill people. Kill as in murder, as in genocide! What's so hard to get that there's something fucking wrong with that? Jesus fucking Christ, we're not talking about punching someone for being rich or poor or for being a man or a woman or for being black or white or for being young or old or for having a "different" opinion! We're fucking talking about people that want to commit full-fledged murder!

THERE IS something wrong with that, and thats why Nazism isnt currently in power right now. It's still not okay to punch them, murder them, because you're doing the same thing they're doing! Do you not see the damned irony here? Why should I, or any fucking one give a flying fuck about your damn feelings?

[Genivaria]

Please tell me youd die in a pile of brass, fabalous race traitor

More likely in my home, I imagine racist cowards in modern America would rather kill me in my sleep then face the thought of an armed liberal

The British learned that the hard way.

[Pilarcraft]

Advocating for the death of persons, lots of persons.
I personally am not against his right to speak. I am on the fence though. I have little patience for people who want to see me killed no less. Call it respect, sure, but he spits out fighting words.

I don't know much about Richard Spencer but I thought he was about White's seceding from America not genocide.

That's irrelevant though. What I want to know is why the fact people have emotions and care for things means Dickie shouldn't care for advancing the interests of his race and making a rational case for it. The whole point of people 'caring for things' (that's your argument) is that they do so to different degrees and care about different things.

tfw you put "rational case" and "Dickie" in the same sentence.
Seriously, People need to stop pretending Spencer is an 'intellectual' (And I am putting right-wing pseudo-intellectuals like Ben Shapiro as an Intellectual too.), or that he has anything worthy of a platform to say.
Yes, he should get a platform to speak his mind. but that's because it's his constitutional Right, not because his idea has merit.

[Torrocca]

Advocating for the death of persons, lots of persons.
I personally am not against his right to speak. I am on the fence though. I have little patience for people who want to see me killed no less. Call it respect, sure, but he spits out fighting words.

I don't know much about Richard Spencer but I thought he was about White's seceding from America not genocide.

That's irrelevant though. What I want to know is why the fact people have emotions and care for things means Dickie shouldn't care for advancing the interests of his race and making a rational case for it. The whole point of people 'caring for things' (that's your argument) is that they do so to different degrees and care about different things.

Because his fucking idea of "caring" for his race involves adversely affecting everyone else through ethnic cleansing. For fucks sake.

See, the thing is, I can explain it, and so can most people. The problem is with your blatant nihilism.

Regardless, good morals are a simple concept to grasp: empathy, sympathy, generosity, honesty, kindness, integrity, etc.

Human decency is the same: don't be a fucking asshole to others.

Why?

It's simple, really it is: I have a good number of friends I happen to care about from all sorts of backgrounds. A good portion are Hispanic, Asian, African, Arabic, mixed-race etc. A good portion happen to have the odd disability or genetic disease or whathaveyou. A good portion happen to fall under the line of what Nazis deem to be human. As such, the Nazis would most certainly kill them. They'd most certainly kill myself and my family as well. And they'd most certainly kill many millions of people similar to myself, my family, and my friends. Hence why Spencer and his ilk can soundly get fucked.

[Genivaria]

I don't know much about Richard Spencer but I thought he was about White's seceding from America not genocide.

That's irrelevant though. What I want to know is why the fact people have emotions and care for things means Dickie shouldn't care for advancing the interests of his race and making a rational case for it. The whole point of people 'caring for things' (that's your argument) is that they do so to different degrees and care about different things.

tfw you put "rational case" and "Dickie" in the same sentence.
Seriously, People need to stop pretending Spencer is an 'intellectual' (And I am putting right-wing pseudo-intellectuals like Ben Shapiro as an Intellectual too.), or that he has anything worthy of a platform to say.
Yes, he should get a platform to speak his mind. but that's because it's his constitutional Right, not because his idea has merit.

Pretty much yeah, the fact that he can't answer questions without throwing a hissy fit shows what he is.

[Torrocca]

Dude, they want to kill people. Kill as in murder, as in genocide! What's so hard to get that there's something fucking wrong with that? Jesus fucking Christ, we're not talking about punching someone for being rich or poor or for being a man or a woman or for being black or white or for being young or old or for having a "different" opinion! We're fucking talking about people that want to commit full-fledged murder!

THERE IS something wrong with that, and thats why Nazism isnt currently in power right now. It's still not okay to punch them, murder them, because you're doing the same thing they're doing! Do you not see the damned irony here? Why should I, or any fucking one give a flying fuck about your damn feelings?

Do you just think the Nazis magically started out in power? Is that the case or something? Because they sure as fuck didn't just start out in power, they worked to gain that power, which is the same cockshit they're working at right now.

And what fucking irony is there? People don't choose to be Jewish, or black, or homosexual, or some other kind of minority. People can choose to be a Nazi, and if they have, they can go get fucked.

[Tekeristan]

Dude, they want to kill people. Kill as in murder, as in genocide! What's so hard to get that there's something fucking wrong with that? Jesus fucking Christ, we're not talking about punching someone for being rich or poor or for being a man or a woman or for being black or white or for being young or old or for having a "different" opinion! We're fucking talking about people that want to commit full-fledged murder!

THERE IS something wrong with that, and thats why Nazism isnt currently in power right now. It's still not okay to punch them, murder them, because you're doing the same thing they're doing! Do you not see the damned irony here? Why should I, or any fucking one give a flying fuck about your damn feelings?

Or, if we switch it around, we care for yours? You obviously care.
Nazism isnt in power, thankfully, but there often isnt debate to be had with nazis. That effort is better spent towards talking to those theyre trying to convert.
Do nazis care about the hitting and murder? No! Their whole front is built on it, theyve killed and attempted to kill, their discords are full of violent rhetoric about killing the commies and degenerates, and so forth. There is no debate with these people. They do not use evidence, they use words.
That is why anti-fascist action exists. Do i approve of their public actions? No! You dont need to hit anyone when 30,000 people show up to counter protest.

[Genivaria]

Why?

I don't want to flame or cause offense or anything. .

Dose posting your thoughts require you to?

[Torrocca]

Dude, they want to kill people. Kill as in murder, as in genocide! What's so hard to get that there's something fucking wrong with that? Jesus fucking Christ, we're not talking about punching someone for being rich or poor or for being a man or a woman or for being black or white or for being young or old or for having a "different" opinion! We're fucking talking about people that want to commit full-fledged murder!

you see it's easier if the genocide won't affect you in any way. if you don't realize that "people who aren't White and Straight are not humans, let's kill all of them and take over the world" is a direct threat, it'll be an abstract political "opinion" for you.

The funny thing is, before I even realized Nazism was a direct threat to me (through my heritage) I knew it was bad and not just some sort of abstract political "opinion" like these sympathizers think it is. It's feeling like basic empathy and sympathy doesn't exist with these guys.

[Liriena]

It's still not okay to punch them, murder them, because you're doing the same thing they're doing! Do you not see the damned irony here?

While I may not condone murdering Nazis, this argument that being violent towards Nazis makes you equal to them holds no water. It's like claiming that the violent slave rebellions and the like make the slaves equal to the slave owners that oppressed them, or claiming that American revolutionaries were just as bad as the British for rebelling violently.

Also, Nazis did not invent political violence.

Why should I, or any fucking one give a flying fuck about your damn feelings?

Aaaaaaaaaand bingo! I was wondering when we'd get that nice bit of clichéd toxicity.

[Tekeristan]

Why?

I don't want to flame or cause offense or anything. .

That was a very curious way to go about that.
Most people arent interested im debating the ethica of murder - let alone mass targetted murder in which people are utterly unable to decide with. Its viewed as common knowledge.
Rather than debating the ethics of death, support something else : like speech. Personally, im not for total free apeech - certain types of speech naturally supress others, we decide which we want.

[Tekeristan]

Dose posting your thoughts require you to?

I like to toe a safe line. The #Gamer race is a persecuted one.

Hardly. Theyre a group who wants to be persecuted. Like some sort of identity.

[Internationalist Bastard]

Advocating for the death of persons, lots of persons.
I personally am not against his right to speak. I am on the fence though. I have little patience for people who want to see me killed no less. Call it respect, sure, but he spits out fighting words.

I don't know much about Richard Spencer but I thought he was about Whites seceding from America not genocide.

That's irrelevant though. What I want to know is why the fact people have emotions and care for things means Dickie shouldn't care for advancing the interests of his race and making a rational case for it. The whole point of people 'caring for things' (that's your argument) is that they do so to different degrees and care about different things.

No he wants America to only be white. He's smart, he never actually mentions violence when it's obviously intended.

[Genivaria]

It's still not okay to punch them, murder them, because you're doing the same thing they're doing! Do you not see the damned irony here?

While I may not condone murdering Nazis, this argument that being violent towards Nazis makes you equal to them holds no water. It's like claiming that the violent slave rebellions and the like make the slaves equal to the slave owners that oppressed them, or claiming that American revolutionaries were just as bad as the British for rebelling violently.

Also, Nazis did not invent political violence.

Why should I, or any fucking one give a flying fuck about your damn feelings?

Aaaaaaaaaand bingo! I was wondering when we'd get that nice bit of clichéd toxicity.

Violence in support of your political views is not necessarily bad, despite what's commonly said.
But those that use violence in exclusion of rational discourse should be treated as the schoolyard thugs that they are.

[Genivaria]

I don't know much about Richard Spencer but I thought he was about Whites seceding from America not genocide.

That's irrelevant though. What I want to know is why the fact people have emotions and care for things means Dickie shouldn't care for advancing the interests of his race and making a rational case for it. The whole point of people 'caring for things' (that's your argument) is that they do so to different degrees and care about different things.

No he wants America to only be white. He's smart, he never actually mentions violence when it's obviously intended.

Except for that part where he let slip that the ethnic cleansing would "not necessarily be peaceful".

[Torrocca]

Because his fucking idea of "caring" for his race involves adversely affecting everyone else through ethnic cleansing. For fucks sake.



It's simple, really it is: I have a good number of friends I happen to care about from all sorts of backgrounds. A good portion are Hispanic, Asian, African, Arabic, mixed-race etc. A good portion happen to have the odd disability or genetic disease or whathaveyou. A good portion happen to fall under the line of what Nazis deem to be human. As such, the Nazis would most certainly kill them. They'd most certainly kill myself and my family as well. And they'd most certainly kill many millions of people similar to myself, my family, and my friends. Hence why Spencer and his ilk can soundly get fucked.

So 'human decency' just turns out to be your own reflexive self-interest? I don't see that as sufficient grounds to ban an opinion from public debate tbh.

Any others willing to explain why Dickie frightens them so he needs to be locked away with the choc-ices?

It's not my self-interest that concerns me. Its the lives of everyone else that's ever been and ever going to be threatened by Nazis and their friends; was that not understandable from me talking so much about how my friends are in danger from Nazis? I don't give a flying fuck, personally, if I'm at one point killed by a Nazi (I'd personally hope I'd go down fighting, at least), but I sure as fuck do give a fuck if they think they're gonna goosestep all over minorities and other good people like my friends.

[Tekeristan]

No he wants America to only be white. He's smart, he never actually mentions violence when it's obviously intended.

Except for that part where he let slip that the ethnic cleansing would "not necessarily be peaceful".

Ahh, you caught that too! Was it on his florida stream? I thought it was more along the lines of him saying he never said it was going to be peaceful.