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Postby Liriena » Tue Oct 31, 2017 11:40 am

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No, but disagreeing with fucking genocide on basic moral and human decency grounds sure as hell is.


What is 'basic moral and human decency'? Who determines this?

You need to think more deeply about this.

Ugh, dollar-store nihilism.
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Postby Tekeristan » Tue Oct 31, 2017 11:41 am

Myrtlk wrote:
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No, but disagreeing with fucking genocide on basic moral and human decency grounds sure as hell is.


What is 'basic moral and human decency'? Who determines this?

You need to think more deeply about this.

"Hi, i want to see you and your entire family slaughtered. Youre absolute trash."

Oh, geez, thanks ive been working out as of late.

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Postby Torrocca » Tue Oct 31, 2017 11:44 am

Myrtlk wrote:
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No, but disagreeing with fucking genocide on basic moral and human decency grounds sure as hell is.


What is 'basic moral and human decency'? Who determines this?

You need to think more deeply about this.


Are you fucking kidding me with this "gotcha"-type nihilism? Really?

And are you seriously questioning whether there's something gray to the idea of genocide?
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Postby Torrocca » Tue Oct 31, 2017 11:46 am

Myrtlk wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
Are you fucking kidding me with this "gotcha"-type nihilism? Really?

And are you seriously questioning whether there's something gray to the idea of genocide?


Tekeristan wrote:"Hi, i want to see you and your entire family slaughtered. Youre absolute trash."

Oh, geez, thanks ive been working out as of late.

Liriena wrote:Ugh, dollar-store nihilism.


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Y'know, you could actually address my questions.
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Postby Liriena » Tue Oct 31, 2017 11:49 am

Torrocca wrote:
Myrtlk wrote:



NSGers struggling to compete tonight.


Y'know, you could actually address my questions.

Looking at Myrtlk's posting history, methinks we're looking at one of them proudly amoral types.

Meh. That stuff stopped being impressive or intellectually enticing in the mid 2000s.
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Postby Tekeristan » Tue Oct 31, 2017 11:49 am

Myrtlk wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
Are you fucking kidding me with this "gotcha"-type nihilism? Really?

And are you seriously questioning whether there's something gray to the idea of genocide?


Tekeristan wrote:"Hi, i want to see you and your entire family slaughtered. Youre absolute trash."

Oh, geez, thanks ive been working out as of late.

Liriena wrote:Ugh, dollar-store nihilism.


NSGers struggling to compete tonight.

Nah, its more along the lines of telling people to respect a group of people that lack the even the most fundamental of human respect.

Yea, i see it wrong to kill people, especially over things they cant even choose. Death is a fundamental human fear, as a social species we feel pity and sympathy. There are roots to these things.

If nothing matters at all in the end to yourself or whomever else stuck with depressive nihllism then realize thats just your own perspective, that you might as well be happy cause its a tangible thing, and that other people may not see it the same way.

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Postby Genivaria » Tue Oct 31, 2017 11:50 am

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Genivaria wrote:You do understand that this guy is preaching violence and ethnic cleansing right?


I know. Many people do. Appeal to popular taboo is not grounds to disprove something in itself.

....oh I see it's bait, you nearly had me.
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Postby Tekeristan » Tue Oct 31, 2017 11:52 am

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I know. Many people do. Appeal to popular taboo is not grounds to disprove something in itself.

....oh I see it's bait, you nearly had me.

Ima let them go. :p

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Postby Torrocca » Tue Oct 31, 2017 11:54 am

Myrtlk wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
Y'know, you could actually address my questions.


What Question? I asked you why you thought Spencer should be banned and you said 'basic human decency' and I'm curious as to how you define this. What is your Question?


Torrocca wrote:
Myrtlk wrote:
What is 'basic moral and human decency'? Who determines this?

You need to think more deeply about this.


Are you fucking kidding me with this "gotcha"-type nihilism? Really?

And are you seriously questioning whether there's something gray to the idea of genocide?


Explain.
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Postby Herador » Tue Oct 31, 2017 11:57 am

Myrtlk wrote:
Liriena wrote:Looking at Myrtlk's posting history, methinks we're looking at one of them proudly amoral types.

Meh. That stuff stopped being impressive or intellectually enticing in the mid 2000s.


"yooor not coooooollll"

I don't know what you're so sheepish about. I'm asking a fairly simple thing.

I missed you too GamerGate.
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Postby Liriena » Tue Oct 31, 2017 11:59 am

Herador wrote:
Myrtlk wrote:
"yooor not coooooollll"

I don't know what you're so sheepish about. I'm asking a fairly simple thing.

I missed you too GamerGate.

:rofl:

Seriously, though, Myrtlk... Your honest, actual thoughts on genocide?
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Postby Torrocca » Tue Oct 31, 2017 12:01 pm

Myrtlk wrote:
Torrocca wrote:


Explain.


Burden of proof lies with the person making a claim. I want to know what 'basic moral and human decency' is. Sidetracking into emotionally charged issues like accusing me of supporting genocide is shoddy argumentative practice.


Look, I really can't assist you in any meaningful capacity if you don't have any idea what morals and human decency even are, especially since all you've shown thus far is that you haven't the foggiest idea of such simplistic things unique to humans.
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Postby Herador » Tue Oct 31, 2017 12:01 pm

Myrtlk wrote:
Herador wrote:I missed you too GamerGate.


hey don't joke about that shit I lost a lotta friends in GamerGate.

#GamerPride #GamerVet

Please just be making an attempt at irony
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Postby Liriena » Tue Oct 31, 2017 12:03 pm

Myrtlk wrote:
Herador wrote:I missed you too GamerGate.


hey don't joke about that shit I lost a lotta friends in GamerGate.

#GamerPride #GamerVet

I'm a proud gamer too... but GamerGate can bite me.
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Postby Tekeristan » Tue Oct 31, 2017 12:05 pm

Myrtlk wrote:
Torrocca wrote:


Explain.


Burden of proof lies with the person making a claim. I want to know what 'basic moral and human decency' is. Sidetracking into emotionally charged issues like accusing me of supporting genocide is shoddy argumentative practice.

Nihilism doesnt have bounds with most people. They have friends, family, things to live for that have tangible emotions. Killing said people causes signifigant trauma.

Fun.

What is your perspective, mhm?

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Postby Hirota » Tue Oct 31, 2017 12:08 pm

Liriena wrote:
Myrtlk wrote:
hey don't joke about that shit I lost a lotta friends in GamerGate.

#GamerPride #GamerVet

I'm a proud gamer too... but GamerGate can bite me.
How about instead of waving the proverbial red rag we dont.

You are one of the people who don't like bringing it up after all.
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Postby Tekeristan » Tue Oct 31, 2017 12:08 pm

Myrtlk wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
Look, I really can't assist you in any meaningful capacity if you don't have any idea what morals and human decency even are, especially since all you've shown thus far is that you haven't the foggiest idea of such simplistic things unique to humans.


Right, so the answer is you can't actually define it in any capacity.

Now why, ladies and gentleman should we allow authority over who should be allowed to speak freely in the hands of people like Torrocca who are plainly unable to give justification for even the simplest moral claims?

Or you could ignore what we all said. :P

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Postby Liriena » Tue Oct 31, 2017 12:09 pm

Hirota wrote:
Liriena wrote:I'm a proud gamer too... but GamerGate can bite me.
How about instead of waving the proverbial red rag we dont.

You are one of the people who don't like bringing it up after all.

Oh, I'm happy to leave the issue there.
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Postby Torrocca » Tue Oct 31, 2017 12:09 pm

Myrtlk wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
Look, I really can't assist you in any meaningful capacity if you don't have any idea what morals and human decency even are, especially since all you've shown thus far is that you haven't the foggiest idea of such simplistic things unique to humans.


Right, so the answer is you can't actually define it in any capacity.

Now why, ladies and gentleman should we allow authority over who should be allowed to speak freely in the hands of people like Torrocca who are plainly unable to give justification for even the simplest moral claims?


See, the thing is, I can explain it, and so can most people. The problem is with your blatant nihilism.

Regardless, good morals are a simple concept to grasp: empathy, sympathy, generosity, honesty, kindness, integrity, etc.

Human decency is the same: don't be a fucking asshole to others.
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Postby Hirota » Tue Oct 31, 2017 12:10 pm

Torrocca wrote:
Myrtlk wrote:
Burden of proof lies with the person making a claim. I want to know what 'basic moral and human decency' is. Sidetracking into emotionally charged issues like accusing me of supporting genocide is shoddy argumentative practice.


Look, I really can't assist you in any meaningful capacity if you don't have any idea what morals and human decency even are, especially since all you've shown thus far is that you haven't the foggiest idea of such simplistic things unique to humans.
You confuse him not knowing what morals and human decency are with him not knowing what your standard of morals and human decency are. It's a subtle distinction, but one is far less confrontational than the other.

And maybe he is a nihilist, but if he understands your position it would be a better platform for sincere discussion
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Postby Torrocca » Tue Oct 31, 2017 12:11 pm

Hirota wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
Look, I really can't assist you in any meaningful capacity if you don't have any idea what morals and human decency even are, especially since all you've shown thus far is that you haven't the foggiest idea of such simplistic things unique to humans.
You confuse him not knowing what morals and human decency are with him not knowing what your standard of morals and human decency are. It's a subtle distinction, but one is far less confrontational than the other.


Fair enough. Doesn't seem like he's got the opposite of the former running for him, though.
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Postby Tekeristan » Tue Oct 31, 2017 12:14 pm

Myrtlk wrote:
Tekeristan wrote:Nihilism doesnt have bounds with most people. They have friends, family, things to live for that have tangible emotions. Killing said people causes signifigant trauma.

Fun.

What is your perspective, mhm?

Also frogmengoaway


I don't really see how 'people have things they care about' entails 'Richard Spencer must be banned from speaking'.

Advocating for the death of persons, lots of persons.
I personally am not against his right to speak. I am on the fence though. I have little patience for people who want to see me killed no less. Call it respect, sure, but he spits out fighting words.

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Postby Tekeristan » Tue Oct 31, 2017 12:14 pm

Myrtlk wrote:
Tekeristan wrote:Or you could ignore what we all said. :P


I've responded to your post. A lot of the others looked like relics from a sad experiment where obese menopausal teaching assistants improvise a dialogue between the robot from star wars and a late night TV host at his historic sex offenses trial to a nursery of disabled children.

What the fuck?

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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Tue Oct 31, 2017 12:16 pm

Tekeristan wrote:
Myrtlk wrote:
I don't really see how 'people have things they care about' entails 'Richard Spencer must be banned from speaking'.

Advocating for the death of persons, lots of persons.
I personally am not against his right to speak. I am on the fence though. I have little patience for people who want to see me killed no less. Call it respect, sure, but he spits out fighting words.

But according to him, we can form a white ethnostate without violence. Everyone else just disapears I guess
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Postby Tekeristan » Tue Oct 31, 2017 12:18 pm

Internationalist Bastard wrote:
Tekeristan wrote:Advocating for the death of persons, lots of persons.
I personally am not against his right to speak. I am on the fence though. I have little patience for people who want to see me killed no less. Call it respect, sure, but he spits out fighting words.

But according to him, we can form a white ethnostate without violence. Everyone else just disapears I guess

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