Richard Spencer and Modern Nazism: #NotMyAmerica

[Telconi]

As opposed to you perpetuating opportunistic revisionism of his legacy in order to use an advocate for non-violence as a cudgel against non-violence?

Nice retortion, brah. I fail to see how that refutes anything I said and it comes off as just mean-spirited nark, but still, nice tactic.

Want a cookie for that?

Because your attempt to co-opt the legacy of MLK is no better tHan anyone else's, and worse than some.

But please, continue utilizing what you think passes for wit to avoid aknowledging anything that could undermine your sense of self righteousness.

I would like a cookie, but not from you.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

He is a scumbag.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/11/18/list-george-zimmerman-past-run-ins-with-law.html
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/ct-george-zimmerman-controversies-20160512-story.html

He had some motor violations and a few accusations for which charges were never pressed, what a scumbag!

Also, unsourced images are terrible praxis.

The source is the actual court case lmao.
https://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/george-zimmermans-injuries/
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/9276079/Witness-Trayvon-Martin-wrestled-killer-Zimmerman.html
http://articles.latimes.com/2013/jul/09/nation/la-na-0710-zimmerman-trial-20130710

Would I have been a cop, I'd have had his ass thrown in jail for contempt of cop.

Fuck him. You do what the 911 operator tells you to do since they're law enforcement dispatch. I'd treat that the same as a failure to obey a police officer personally.

I wouldn't have necessarily arrested him for homicide since the rest of it was in self-defense and I'd have lost the case anyways, much like the prosecution did.

[Telconi]

He had some motor violations and a few accusations for which charges were never pressed, what a scumbag!

The source is the actual court case lmao.
https://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/george-zimmermans-injuries/
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/9276079/Witness-Trayvon-Martin-wrestled-killer-Zimmerman.html
http://articles.latimes.com/2013/jul/09/nation/la-na-0710-zimmerman-trial-20130710

Would I have been a cop, I'd have had his ass thrown in jail for contempt of cop.

Fuck him. You do what the 911 operator tells you to do since they're law enforcement dispatch. I'd treat that the same as a failure to obey a police officer personally.

I wouldn't have necessarily arrested him for homicide since the rest of it was in self-defense and I'd have lost the case anyways, much like the prosecution did.

A dispatcher isn't a cop, you aren't obligated to do anything they say. While dumb as fuck, following Martin wasn't criminal.

[Tekeristan]

Like i said, people severely downplay the contributions of Malcom X to the point of nonexistance, nonmention, or malus.

[Crockerland]

He had some motor violations and a few accusations for which charges were never pressed, what a scumbag!

I sure hope you've never, ever, condemned someone for something without charges being pressed.

The source is the actual court case lmao.
https://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/george-zimmermans-injuries/
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/9276079/Witness-Trayvon-Martin-wrestled-killer-Zimmerman.html
http://articles.latimes.com/2013/jul/09/nation/la-na-0710-zimmerman-trial-20130710

Hey, congrats! You made the bare minimum required and actually sourced your unsourced images! lmaoooooooooooooooooooooo

Talk about undeserved smugness on your part.

"I don't have an argument to refute this so let me condemn your smugness at my failure to understand even the most basic facts of the case before commenting."
ok.

[Liriena]

However, he wasn't a pearl-clutching, respectability-politics-pushing doofus who regurgitated the status quo's talking points either, and he understood the nuances of violence and oppression much better than the people who now use him as a cudgel against an entire movement because the media showed that some people supposedly in it were very mean on camera and maybe broke a window.

He preached and practiced non-violence, but he understood that violence wouldn't end by just wagging our white fingers at black rioters and sending authorities to beat them up.

This does not, however, mean the rioters are right in choosing to riot.

Eeeeeh, morally? I'd dare say there's a bit of gray in there. Specifically breaking a store's windows and setting a trash can on fire is unnecessary and negatively affects innocent people, but I don't think the act of violently rebelling against authorities who have abused you with impunity is an atrocity in and of itself. Illegal? Sure... but anyone who thinks what's illegal is always, inherently and eternally synonymous with what's unjust really needs to, like, remember history.

Violent resistance is what happens when all the channels deemed legitimate by the powerful have utterly failed the oppressed. Mind you, in the case of riots, there's always a number of people involved who could not care less about the cause and are just opportunists... but this is arguably true of non-violent movements as well.

[Liriena]

I sure hope you've never, ever, condemned someone for something without charges being pressed.


Hey, congrats! You made the bare minimum required and actually sourced your unsourced images! lmaoooooooooooooooooooooo

Talk about undeserved smugness on your part.

"I don't have an argument to refute this so let me condemn your smugness at my failure to understand even the most basic facts of the case before commenting."
ok.

I had not seen those images before.

There you go. What else have you got?

[Liriena]

Nice retortion, brah. I fail to see how that refutes anything I said and it comes off as just mean-spirited nark, but still, nice tactic.

Want a cookie for that?

Because your attempt to co-opt the legacy of MLK is no better tHan anyone else's, and worse than some.

So, you tried to pull a tu quoque. Except, unlike me, you presented nothing to substantiate it.

Bad praxis.

But please, continue utilizing what you think passes for wit to avoid aknowledging anything that could undermine your sense of self righteousness.

I would like a cookie, but not from you.

Sorry, but the cookie is mandatory.

"Sense of self-righteousness"? You speak as if I was the only one here who thought they were in the right about their beliefs. Honestly, people who whine about other people being "self-righteous" just baffle me. If you are not "self-righteous" about your political views, then why the heck do you hold those views?

[Crockerland]

"I don't have an argument to refute this so let me condemn your smugness at my failure to understand even the most basic facts of the case before commenting."
ok.

I had not seen those images before.

There you go. What else have you got?

"Asians are subhuman animals"
"No they're not, here's the DNA evidence objectively proving they are human"
"I haven't seen that before, what else have you got?"

Are you trying to use your ignorance as an argument? Either refute the evidence (lol) or admit that it objectively, overwhelmingly points to George Zimmerman acting in self-defense, and that BLM is wrong to protest the results of the case.

[Liriena]

Like i said, people severely downplay the contributions of Malcom X to the point of nonexistance, nonmention, or malus.

The way some people have oversimplified Malcolm X and MLK's legacies to the point of making them "the violent one vs. the peaceful one" would be astounding if it wasn't such a disturbing display of the powerful repurposing two great men's histories into propaganda for the status quo both of them died opposing.

[Liriena]

I had not seen those images before.

There you go. What else have you got?

"Asians are subhuman animals"
"No they're not, here's the DNA evidence objectively proving they are human"
"I haven't seen that before, what else have you got?"

Your words, not mine.

Are you trying to use your ignorance as an argument? Either refute the evidence (lol) or admit that it objectively, overwhelmingly points to George Zimmerman acting in self-defense, and that BLM is wrong to protest the results of the case.

I thought my admission was implicit in my previous response, but okay. I admit that I apparently was wrong about the killing of Trayvon Martin by that scumbag. Maybe BLM was wrong about that case. They are definitely not wrong about the visible widespread pattern of impune abuse of authority by law enforcement towards black Americans, however, or other structural problems faced by black Americans.

[Holy Tedalonia]

Your always one ear out the other aren't you? MLK was about peaceful protests as Malcolm X was all about violent ones.

[citation needed]

BLM is a violent and pointless organization.

It's not an organization, it's hardly pointless (as I already demonstrated), and only a minority of the people identifying with it, as far as I can tell, are violent.

You can spin your story as many times a dog wags his tail. Reality won't change.

I've presented you with proof for every claim I've made. You haven't. Ergo, methinks I'm the one who gets to say "reality won't change", while you get to sit in the corner with other revisionists, propagandists and make-believers.

Remember Ferguson, Baltimore, etc? Yeah, you likely forgot how violent they were aren't you, but whatever believe what you want to believe as I contemplate whether to block you or not, because literally any conversation I have with you pisses me off. The only "sources" you really showed me was a box with no source and a Baltimore video.

[Genivaria]

Like i said, people severely downplay the contributions of Malcom X to the point of nonexistance, nonmention, or malus.

The way some people have oversimplified Malcolm X and MLK's legacies to the point of making them "the violent one vs. the peaceful one" would be astounding if it wasn't such a disturbing display of the powerful repurposing two great men's histories into propaganda for the status quo both of them died opposing.

Remember that using violent means to overthrow the status quo is bad....except when we do it.
Don't get any thoughts in your head now!

[Liriena]

[citation needed]


It's not an organization, it's hardly pointless (as I already demonstrated), and only a minority of the people identifying with it, as far as I can tell, are violent.


I've presented you with proof for every claim I've made. You haven't. Ergo, methinks I'm the one who gets to say "reality won't change", while you get to sit in the corner with other revisionists, propagandists and make-believers.

Remember Ferguson, Baltimore, etc? Yeah, you likely forgot how violent they were aren't you

I remember that in both Ferguson and Baltimore, as I later showed with my sources, there were underlying problems of racial injustice. Also, you have failed to prove that the ones rioting identified with BLM. Yes, I am aware that there was violence (although it should be noted that there were also massive peaceful protests), but you are conflating the rioting with BLM without actually proving the correlation.

but whatever believe what you want to believe as I contemplate whether to block you or not, because literally any conversation I have with you pisses me off.

I understand, and you are free to block me, but I honestly think you have no valid cause for it. Maybe I was a bit too harsh, but that does not mean my arguments were invalid, and you have failed to properly counter them.

The only "sources" you really showed me was a box with no source and a Baltimore video.

Lying is bad, mmkay?

Here's Ferguson.

Here's Baltimore.

In both cases, the Department of Justice found that racially biased abuse of authority was rampant.

[Tekeristan]

The way some people have oversimplified Malcolm X and MLK's legacies to the point of making them "the violent one vs. the peaceful one" would be astounding if it wasn't such a disturbing display of the powerful repurposing two great men's histories into propaganda for the status quo both of them died opposing.

Remember that using violent means to overthrow the status quo is bad....except when we do it.
Don't get any thoughts in your head now!

Aww yea, monopoly of force booiiiss!

[Liriena]

The way some people have oversimplified Malcolm X and MLK's legacies to the point of making them "the violent one vs. the peaceful one" would be astounding if it wasn't such a disturbing display of the powerful repurposing two great men's histories into propaganda for the status quo both of them died opposing.

Remember that using violent means to overthrow the status quo is bad....except when we do it.
Don't get any thoughts in your head now!

Remember to lick them boots properly. ;3

[Torrocca]

Governor Scott has declared a state of emergency for Alachua County ahead of Richard Spencer's planned speech on Thursday on the campus of the University of Florida.

In my opinion, this is a good move on the Governor's part, and a shit one on Spencer's part. I'd rather not see a Nazi in my home state, and I'd much rather not see another bout of violence caused by a Nazi. I've always been politically against Nazis and Nazism, and against really letting them spread their Nazism. I'm also, frankly, concerned about the well-being of several of my friends at the University. So, again, I'm entirely in support of Governor Scott's measures here.

What are your thoughts, NSG?

EDIT: Edited to more appropriately fit the ongoing theme.

I don't really see an argument here other than 'I don't like this - BAAAAAAAH'. The whole point of a forum in which to discuss political issues and current events is to substantiate such claims with reason. You seem pretty angry and hateful about this issue and should give it more thought.

Also I would be worried about my friends too if they were thrown into mortal fear by some doughy good ol'boy trying to teach rednecks to pronounce 'Faustian spirit'.

Mate, do you even understand what Nazis are? Because they sure as shit ain't girl scouts passing out cookies and daisies if that's what's coming to your mind.

[Genivaria]

Governor Scott has declared a state of emergency for Alachua County ahead of Richard Spencer's planned speech on Thursday on the campus of the University of Florida.

In my opinion, this is a good move on the Governor's part, and a shit one on Spencer's part. I'd rather not see a Nazi in my home state, and I'd much rather not see another bout of violence caused by a Nazi. I've always been politically against Nazis and Nazism, and against really letting them spread their Nazism. I'm also, frankly, concerned about the well-being of several of my friends at the University. So, again, I'm entirely in support of Governor Scott's measures here.

What are your thoughts, NSG?

EDIT: Edited to more appropriately fit the ongoing theme.

I don't really see an argument here other than 'I don't like this - BAAAAAAAH'. The whole point of a forum in which to discuss political issues and current events is to substantiate such claims with reason. You seem pretty angry and hateful about this issue and should give it more thought.

Also I would be worried about my friends too if they were thrown into mortal fear by some doughy good ol'boy trying to teach rednecks to pronounce 'Faustian spirit'.

You do understand that this guy is preaching violence and ethnic cleansing right?

[Hirota]

I don't really see an argument here other than 'I don't like this - BAAAAAAAH'. The whole point of a forum in which to discuss political issues and current events is to substantiate such claims with reason. You seem pretty angry and hateful about this issue and should give it more thought.

Also I would be worried about my friends too if they were thrown into mortal fear by some doughy good ol'boy trying to teach rednecks to pronounce 'Faustian spirit'.

You do understand that this guy is preaching violence and ethnic cleansing right?

As point of order he has publicly advocated "peaceful ethnic cleansing" - the difference being to evict non whites rather than gas them.

Not much better, I'm sure you agree. But his position has more in common with Mugabe than your old school genocidal maniac. Of course, you could argue he's moderated his rhetoric to try and gain more traction.

[Vassenor]

You do understand that this guy is preaching violence and ethnic cleansing right?

As point of order he has publicly advocated "peaceful ethnic cleansing" - the difference being to evict non whites rather than gas them.

Not much better, I'm sure you agree.

Mass deportation is still a crime against humanity.

[Torrocca]

You do understand that this guy is preaching violence and ethnic cleansing right?

As point of order he has publicly advocated "peaceful ethnic cleansing" - the difference being to evict non whites rather than gas them.

Not much better, I'm sure you agree.

And not really peaceful if you consider it.

[Hirota]

As point of order he has publicly advocated "peaceful ethnic cleansing" - the difference being to evict non whites rather than gas them.

Not much better, I'm sure you agree.

And not really peaceful if you consider it.

*shrugs* it's up there with famine as a weapon in terms of utter dickishness.

[Vassenor]

As point of order he has publicly advocated "peaceful ethnic cleansing" - the difference being to evict non whites rather than gas them.

Not much better, I'm sure you agree.

And not really peaceful if you consider it.

You mean people won't just up and leave the country if we tell them to? The fiends.

[Torrocca]

You do understand that this guy is preaching violence and ethnic cleansing right?

I know. Many people do. Appeal to popular taboo is not grounds to disprove something in itself.

No, but disagreeing with fucking genocide on basic moral and human decency grounds sure as hell is.

[Liriena]

As point of order he has publicly advocated "peaceful ethnic cleansing" - the difference being to evict non whites rather than gas them.

Not much better, I'm sure you agree.

And not really peaceful if you consider it.

Extremely unlikely to really be "peaceful", since I doubt non-white Americans will just let themselves be quietly deported.