Richard Spencer and Modern Nazism: #NotMyAmerica

[Proctopeo]

Same could be said with BLM and friends...

Not really. Spencer's white supremacism is based on lies and delusions (the idea that there is a universal, essential white identity throughout the West; that white people deserve an exclusive ethno-state, procured through ethnic cleansing, and that the United States should be such a state; that there is a "white genocide" going on; that white Americans today share some sort of cultural, identitarian essence with the ancient Greeks; etc.). BLM, whatever you think of the actions of some people in the movement, was born from legitimate grievances.

...and quickly devolved into idiocy.

[Liriena]

BLM "caused" nothing. Underlying racial tensions and violence predated the birth of the hashtag by years, if not decades. The Ferguson protests and riots didn't happen just because a couple of people identifying with a hashtag decided store windows were a symbol of white supremacy. As investigations in the aftermath of the Mike Brown case showed, the black community in Ferguson had suffered years of impune and previously "invisible" injustice at the hands of the local authorities. Same with Baltimore.

Blaming a broad movement with little to no centralized structure that began as a "hashtag campaign" for racial tensions today is like blaming Trump for misogyny and Islamophobia in American society. It's shallow at best and dishonest at worst.

Youre likely right, but some blasted the powder keg,

Yes. George Zimmerman did, and other scum like him who got away with killing unarmed black men without so much as a slap on the wrist.

and as I said, you can't fight racism by riots and terror.

Do you also oppose fighting racism through state-sanctioned violence (aka: the Civil War)? Or just grassroots violence?

Also, lol @ "terror"

Because those who are racist are people and people are incredibly stubborn.

So what's your solution?

If blacks want racism gone there are two things wrong. 1 blacks can be racist too (although some still don't acknowledge this) and 2 if you want a racist to recognize you as a good person or their equal be better then them, show them your not some second rate citizen.

So your solution is that black people accept a false compromise and engage in respectability politics. You place no burden, no responsibility, on those actively engaging in the racism towards them, and offer no actual support of your own against them.

MLK was right. The white moderates are a disappointment.

[Crockerland]

Youre likely right, but some blasted the powder keg,

Yes. George Zimmerman did, and other scum like him who got away with killing unarmed black men without so much as a slap on the wrist.

ZImmerman was such a scumbag, why wouldn't he let that poor unarmed black boy beat him to death? What a monster.

Pictured: Hug and kiss marks given to Zimmerman by our black hero in forgiveness after being shot

[Liriena]

Not really. Spencer's white supremacism is based on lies and delusions (the idea that there is a universal, essential white identity throughout the West; that white people deserve an exclusive ethno-state, procured through ethnic cleansing, and that the United States should be such a state; that there is a "white genocide" going on; that white Americans today share some sort of cultural, identitarian essence with the ancient Greeks; etc.). BLM, whatever you think of the actions of some people in the movement, was born from legitimate grievances.

Ah yes, the legitimate grievance of not being able to assault people without being shot, BLM is clearly justified.

Not what my source is talking about. At all.

Way to show you were paying any sort of attention or in any way trying to engage me in an honest debate.

Your "gotcha" attempt is ignorant crap and you should feel bad.

[Liriena]

Not really. Spencer's white supremacism is based on lies and delusions (the idea that there is a universal, essential white identity throughout the West; that white people deserve an exclusive ethno-state, procured through ethnic cleansing, and that the United States should be such a state; that there is a "white genocide" going on; that white Americans today share some sort of cultural, identitarian essence with the ancient Greeks; etc.). BLM, whatever you think of the actions of some people in the movement, was born from legitimate grievances.

Eh, I'd say Spencer is wrong in saying there is a white identity throughout the West.

But I would say he isn't wrong if he was to say a lot of white people share a common Euro-Western identity throughout the New World.

Every white person I've talked to from different countries does have this belief in the New World that we're the "most European" or some other bullshit like that.

Saaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaame. Which is funny, because most white people around me would have once been regarded by their European peers as "inferior" Europeans. Galicians, Sicilians, Sardinians, etc.

[Liriena]

Not really. Spencer's white supremacism is based on lies and delusions (the idea that there is a universal, essential white identity throughout the West; that white people deserve an exclusive ethno-state, procured through ethnic cleansing, and that the United States should be such a state; that there is a "white genocide" going on; that white Americans today share some sort of cultural, identitarian essence with the ancient Greeks; etc.). BLM, whatever you think of the actions of some people in the movement, was born from legitimate grievances.

...and quickly devolved into idiocy.

Besides the point. Your comment adds absolutely nothing and refutes nothing.

[Holy Tedalonia]

Youre likely right, but some blasted the powder keg,

Yes. George Zimmerman did, and other scum like him who got away with killing unarmed black men without so much as a slap on the wrist.

and as I said, you can't fight racism by riots and terror.

Do you also oppose fighting racism through state-sanctioned violence (aka: the Civil War)? Or just grassroots violence?

Also, lol @ "terror"

Because those who are racist are people and people are incredibly stubborn.

So what's your solution?

If blacks want racism gone there are two things wrong. 1 blacks can be racist too (although some still don't acknowledge this) and 2 if you want a racist to recognize you as a good person or their equal be better then them, show them your not some second rate citizen.

So your solution is that black people accept a false compromise and engage in respectability politics. You place no burden, no responsibility, on those actively engaging in the racism towards them, and offer no actual support of your own against them.

MLK was right. The white moderates are a disappointment.

Martin Luther King would agree with me. You can't fight violence with violence. You'll only drive more hate between the groups. BLM is more Malcolm X then MLK.

[Telconi]

Yes. George Zimmerman did, and other scum like him who got away with killing unarmed black men without so much as a slap on the wrist.

ZImmerman was such a scumbag, why wouldn't he let that poor unarmed black boy beat him to death? What a monster.

Pictured: Hug and kiss marks given to Zimmerman by our black hero in forgiveness after being shot

"Not a slap on the wrist"

Yeah, as a society we shouldn't punish people found not guilty of crimes...

[Liriena]

Yes. George Zimmerman did, and other scum like him who got away with killing unarmed black men without so much as a slap on the wrist.

ZImmerman was such a scumbag

He is a scumbag.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/11/18/list-george-zimmerman-past-run-ins-with-law.html
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/ct-george-zimmerman-controversies-20160512-story.html

Also, unsourced images are terrible praxis.

[Proctopeo]

...and quickly devolved into idiocy.

Besides the point. Your comment adds absolutely nothing and refutes nothing.

The current state of something is a better description of what it currently is than how it began.

[Liriena]

Yes. George Zimmerman did, and other scum like him who got away with killing unarmed black men without so much as a slap on the wrist.


Do you also oppose fighting racism through state-sanctioned violence (aka: the Civil War)? Or just grassroots violence?

Also, lol @ "terror"


So what's your solution?


So your solution is that black people accept a false compromise and engage in respectability politics. You place no burden, no responsibility, on those actively engaging in the racism towards them, and offer no actual support of your own against them.

MLK was right. The white moderates are a disappointment.

Martin Luther King would agree with me. You can't fight violence with violence. You'll only drive more hate between the groups. BLM is more Malcolm X then MLK.

Wrong.

...I think America must see that riots do not develop out of thin air. Certain conditions continue to exist in our society which must be condemned as vigorously as we condemn riots. But in the final analysis, a riot is the language of the unheard. And what is it that America has failed to hear? It has failed to hear that the plight of the Negro poor has worsened over the last few years. It has failed to hear that the promises of freedom and justice have not been met. And it has failed to hear that large segments of white society are more concerned about tranquility and the status quo than about justice, equality, and humanity. And so in a real sense our nation's summers of riots are caused by our nation's winters of delay. And as long as America postpones justice, we stand in the position of having these recurrences of violence and riots over and over again. Social justice and progress are the absolute guarantors of riot prevention.

Congrats on perpetuating the opportunistic historical revisionism of MLK's legacy in order to use a champion of civil rights as a cudgel against a new civil rights movement.

[Liriena]

Besides the point. Your comment adds absolutely nothing and refutes nothing.

The current state of something is a better description of what it currently is than how it began.

Besides the point.

[Torrocca]

Yes. George Zimmerman did, and other scum like him who got away with killing unarmed black men without so much as a slap on the wrist.


Do you also oppose fighting racism through state-sanctioned violence (aka: the Civil War)? Or just grassroots violence?

Also, lol @ "terror"


So what's your solution?


So your solution is that black people accept a false compromise and engage in respectability politics. You place no burden, no responsibility, on those actively engaging in the racism towards them, and offer no actual support of your own against them.

MLK was right. The white moderates are a disappointment.

Martin Luther King would agree with me. You can't fight violence with violence. You'll only drive more hate between the groups. BLM is more Malcolm X then MLK.

I'd much like to point you to WWII and literally every war in history to prove you wrong.

[Liriena]

Martin Luther King would agree with me. You can't fight violence with violence. You'll only drive more hate between the groups. BLM is more Malcolm X then MLK.

Wrong.

...I think America must see that riots do not develop out of thin air. Certain conditions continue to exist in our society which must be condemned as vigorously as we condemn riots. But in the final analysis, a riot is the language of the unheard. And what is it that America has failed to hear? It has failed to hear that the plight of the Negro poor has worsened over the last few years. It has failed to hear that the promises of freedom and justice have not been met. And it has failed to hear that large segments of white society are more concerned about tranquility and the status quo than about justice, equality, and humanity. And so in a real sense our nation's summers of riots are caused by our nation's winters of delay. And as long as America postpones justice, we stand in the position of having these recurrences of violence and riots over and over again. Social justice and progress are the absolute guarantors of riot prevention.

Congrats on perpetuating the opportunistic historical revisionism of MLK's legacy in order to use a champion of civil rights as a cudgel against a new civil rights movement.

Also:

First, I must confess that over the last few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in the stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Council-er or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I can't agree with your methods of direct action;" who paternalistically feels he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by the myth of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait until a "more convenient season.

[Telconi]

Martin Luther King would agree with me. You can't fight violence with violence. You'll only drive more hate between the groups. BLM is more Malcolm X then MLK.

Wrong.

...I think America must see that riots do not develop out of thin air. Certain conditions continue to exist in our society which must be condemned as vigorously as we condemn riots. But in the final analysis, a riot is the language of the unheard. And what is it that America has failed to hear? It has failed to hear that the plight of the Negro poor has worsened over the last few years. It has failed to hear that the promises of freedom and justice have not been met. And it has failed to hear that large segments of white society are more concerned about tranquility and the status quo than about justice, equality, and humanity. And so in a real sense our nation's summers of riots are caused by our nation's winters of delay. And as long as America postpones justice, we stand in the position of having these recurrences of violence and riots over and over again. Social justice and progress are the absolute guarantors of riot prevention.

Congrats on perpetuating the opportunistic historical revisionism of MLK's legacy in order to use a champion of civil rights as a cudgel against a new civil rights movement.

As opposed to you perpetuating opportunistic revisionism of his legacy in order to use an advocate for non-violence as a cudgel against non-violence?

[Holy Tedalonia]

Martin Luther King would agree with me. You can't fight violence with violence. You'll only drive more hate between the groups. BLM is more Malcolm X then MLK.

Wrong.

...I think America must see that riots do not develop out of thin air. Certain conditions continue to exist in our society which must be condemned as vigorously as we condemn riots. But in the final analysis, a riot is the language of the unheard. And what is it that America has failed to hear? It has failed to hear that the plight of the Negro poor has worsened over the last few years. It has failed to hear that the promises of freedom and justice have not been met. And it has failed to hear that large segments of white society are more concerned about tranquility and the status quo than about justice, equality, and humanity. And so in a real sense our nation's summers of riots are caused by our nation's winters of delay. And as long as America postpones justice, we stand in the position of having these recurrences of violence and riots over and over again. Social justice and progress are the absolute guarantors of riot prevention.

Congrats on perpetuating the opportunistic historical revisionism of MLK's legacy in order to use a champion of civil rights as a cudgel against a new civil rights movement.

Your always one ear out the other aren't you? MLK was about peaceful protests as Malcolm X was all about violent ones. BLM is a violent and pointless organization. You can spin your story as many times a dog wags his tail. Reality won't change.

[Liriena]

Wrong.

...I think America must see that riots do not develop out of thin air. Certain conditions continue to exist in our society which must be condemned as vigorously as we condemn riots. But in the final analysis, a riot is the language of the unheard. And what is it that America has failed to hear? It has failed to hear that the plight of the Negro poor has worsened over the last few years. It has failed to hear that the promises of freedom and justice have not been met. And it has failed to hear that large segments of white society are more concerned about tranquility and the status quo than about justice, equality, and humanity. And so in a real sense our nation's summers of riots are caused by our nation's winters of delay. And as long as America postpones justice, we stand in the position of having these recurrences of violence and riots over and over again. Social justice and progress are the absolute guarantors of riot prevention.

Congrats on perpetuating the opportunistic historical revisionism of MLK's legacy in order to use a champion of civil rights as a cudgel against a new civil rights movement.

As opposed to you perpetuating opportunistic revisionism of his legacy in order to use an advocate for non-violence as a cudgel against non-violence?

Nice retortion, brah. I fail to see how that refutes anything I said and it comes off as just mean-spirited nark, but still, nice tactic.

Want a cookie for that?

[Proctopeo]

Wrong.

...I think America must see that riots do not develop out of thin air. Certain conditions continue to exist in our society which must be condemned as vigorously as we condemn riots. But in the final analysis, a riot is the language of the unheard. And what is it that America has failed to hear? It has failed to hear that the plight of the Negro poor has worsened over the last few years. It has failed to hear that the promises of freedom and justice have not been met. And it has failed to hear that large segments of white society are more concerned about tranquility and the status quo than about justice, equality, and humanity. And so in a real sense our nation's summers of riots are caused by our nation's winters of delay. And as long as America postpones justice, we stand in the position of having these recurrences of violence and riots over and over again. Social justice and progress are the absolute guarantors of riot prevention.

Congrats on perpetuating the opportunistic historical revisionism of MLK's legacy in order to use a champion of civil rights as a cudgel against a new civil rights movement.

Also:

First, I must confess that over the last few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in the stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Council-er or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I can't agree with your methods of direct action;" who paternalistically feels he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by the myth of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait until a "more convenient season.

If you have weapons, take them home; if you do not have them, please do not seek to get them. We cannot solve this problem through retaliatory violence. We must meet violence with nonviolence. Remember the words of Jesus: "He who lives by the sword will perish by the sword." We must love our white brothers, no matter what they do to us. We must make them know that we love them. Jesus still cries out in words that echo across the centuries: "Love your enemies; bless them that curse you; pray for them that despitefully use you." This is what we must live by. We must meet hate with love. Remember, if I am stopped, this movement will not stop, because God is with the movement. Go home with this glowing faith and this radiant assurance.

MLK also basically said "don't be violent, or else you won't succeed", so...

[Tekeristan]

People like to severely underplay the contributions of Malcom X and gtoups like the Black Panthers.

[Liriena]

Wrong.

...I think America must see that riots do not develop out of thin air. Certain conditions continue to exist in our society which must be condemned as vigorously as we condemn riots. But in the final analysis, a riot is the language of the unheard. And what is it that America has failed to hear? It has failed to hear that the plight of the Negro poor has worsened over the last few years. It has failed to hear that the promises of freedom and justice have not been met. And it has failed to hear that large segments of white society are more concerned about tranquility and the status quo than about justice, equality, and humanity. And so in a real sense our nation's summers of riots are caused by our nation's winters of delay. And as long as America postpones justice, we stand in the position of having these recurrences of violence and riots over and over again. Social justice and progress are the absolute guarantors of riot prevention.

Congrats on perpetuating the opportunistic historical revisionism of MLK's legacy in order to use a champion of civil rights as a cudgel against a new civil rights movement.

Your always one ear out the other aren't you? MLK was about peaceful protests as Malcolm X was all about violent ones.

[citation needed]

BLM is a violent and pointless organization.

It's not an organization, it's hardly pointless (as I already demonstrated), and only a minority of the people identifying with it, as far as I can tell, are violent.

You can spin your story as many times a dog wags his tail. Reality won't change.

I've presented you with proof for every claim I've made. You haven't. Ergo, methinks I'm the one who gets to say "reality won't change", while you get to sit in the corner with other revisionists, propagandists and make-believers.

[Crockerland]

ZImmerman was such a scumbag

He is a scumbag.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/11/18/list-george-zimmerman-past-run-ins-with-law.html
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/ct-george-zimmerman-controversies-20160512-story.html

He had some motor violations and a few accusations for which charges were never pressed, what a scumbag!

Also, unsourced images are terrible praxis.

The source is the actual court case lmao.
https://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/george-zimmermans-injuries/
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/9276079/Witness-Trayvon-Martin-wrestled-killer-Zimmerman.html
http://articles.latimes.com/2013/jul/09/nation/la-na-0710-zimmerman-trial-20130710

[Liriena]

Also:

First, I must confess that over the last few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in the stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Council-er or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I can't agree with your methods of direct action;" who paternalistically feels he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by the myth of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait until a "more convenient season.

If you have weapons, take them home; if you do not have them, please do not seek to get them. We cannot solve this problem through retaliatory violence. We must meet violence with nonviolence. Remember the words of Jesus: "He who lives by the sword will perish by the sword." We must love our white brothers, no matter what they do to us. We must make them know that we love them. Jesus still cries out in words that echo across the centuries: "Love your enemies; bless them that curse you; pray for them that despitefully use you." This is what we must live by. We must meet hate with love. Remember, if I am stopped, this movement will not stop, because God is with the movement. Go home with this glowing faith and this radiant assurance.

MLK also basically said "don't be violent, or else you won't succeed", so...

However, he wasn't a pearl-clutching, respectability-politics-pushing doofus who regurgitated the status quo's talking points either, and he understood the nuances of violence and oppression much better than the people who now use him as a cudgel against an entire movement because the media showed that some people supposedly in it were very mean on camera and maybe broke a window.

He preached and practiced non-violence, but he understood that violence wouldn't end by just wagging our white fingers at black rioters and sending authorities to beat them up.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

show them your not some second rate citizen.

Which we've been doing since commercial slavery was abolished.

[Proctopeo]

MLK also basically said "don't be violent, or else you won't succeed", so...

However, he wasn't a pearl-clutching, respectability-politics-pushing doofus who regurgitated the status quo's talking points either, and he understood the nuances of violence and oppression much better than the people who now use him as a cudgel against an entire movement because the media showed that some people supposedly in it were very mean on camera and maybe broke a window.

He preached and practiced non-violence, but he understood that violence wouldn't end by just wagging our white fingers at black rioters and sending authorities to beat them up.

This does not, however, mean the rioters are right in choosing to riot.

[Liriena]

He is a scumbag.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/11/18/list-george-zimmerman-past-run-ins-with-law.html
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/ct-george-zimmerman-controversies-20160512-story.html

He had some motor violations and a few accusations for which charges were never pressed, what a scumbag!

I sure hope you've never, ever, condemned someone for something without charges being pressed.

Also, unsourced images are terrible praxis.

The source is the actual court case lmao.
https://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/george-zimmermans-injuries/
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/9276079/Witness-Trayvon-Martin-wrestled-killer-Zimmerman.html
http://articles.latimes.com/2013/jul/09/nation/la-na-0710-zimmerman-trial-20130710

Hey, congrats! You made the bare minimum required and actually sourced your unsourced images! lmaoooooooooooooooooooooo

Talk about undeserved smugness on your part.