Richard Spencer and Modern Nazism: #NotMyAmerica

[Petrasylvania]

Dismissing the gravity of the murder of Heather Heyer because the Ferguson riots happened?

They weren’t dismissing, merely downplaying. Nobody is saying Ms. Heyer didn’t die. But since you’re acknowledging that the Ferguson riots did happen, tell me, what sort of damage did those people do?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferguson_unrest

1 person died, 10 people including 6 officers were wounded, 321 people arrested, at least 12 businesses were looted, and a QuikTrip was set on fire. Those are the numbers. If we’re going by numbers alone, the Ferguson riots were a lot worse. Of course, saying that might cause me to be pinned as a white supremacist, but BLM was connected to these riots, and people’s lives and businesses were destroyed.

It's a McNamara fallacy used to imply Black Lives Matters is an objectively more criminal terror group than neo-Nazi alt-righters based solely on body count.

[United States of Red Dawn]

You're usually very vague, T. I have no idea still what your concept of it is yet.

You're more than willing to play fast and loose with peoples' lives and liberty if your idealistic view of Communism doesn't adhere to your idealism, but instead reverts to type.

Lol no I'm not. You need to go and read up on Marx and Engels.

Please direct me to a website that shows the Manifesto in full. I want to be guided.

[Proctopeo]

They weren’t dismissing, merely downplaying. Nobody is saying Ms. Heyer didn’t die. But since you’re acknowledging that the Ferguson riots did happen, tell me, what sort of damage did those people do?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferguson_unrest

1 person died, 10 people including 6 officers were wounded, 321 people arrested, at least 12 businesses were looted, and a QuikTrip was set on fire. Those are the numbers. If we’re going by numbers alone, the Ferguson riots were a lot worse. Of course, saying that might cause me to be pinned as a white supremacist, but BLM was connected to these riots, and people’s lives and businesses were destroyed.

It's a McNamara fallacy used to imply Black Lives Matters is an objectively more criminal terror group that neo-Nazi alt-righters based solely on body count.

[Thermodolia]

They weren’t dismissing, merely downplaying. Nobody is saying Ms. Heyer didn’t die. But since you’re acknowledging that the Ferguson riots did happen, tell me, what sort of damage did those people do?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferguson_unrest

1 person died, 10 people including 6 officers were wounded, 321 people arrested, at least 12 businesses were looted, and a QuikTrip was set on fire. Those are the numbers. If we’re going by numbers alone, the Ferguson riots were a lot worse. Of course, saying that might cause me to be pinned as a white supremacist, but BLM was connected to these riots, and people’s lives and businesses were destroyed.

It's a McNamara fallacy used to imply Black Lives Matters is an objectively more criminal terror group than neo-Nazi alt-righters based solely on body count.

Gauth are you ok? You didn't have any surgery recently did you? Because it seems like you are on drugs

[Luminesa]

They weren’t dismissing, merely downplaying. Nobody is saying Ms. Heyer didn’t die. But since you’re acknowledging that the Ferguson riots did happen, tell me, what sort of damage did those people do?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferguson_unrest

1 person died, 10 people including 6 officers were wounded, 321 people arrested, at least 12 businesses were looted, and a QuikTrip was set on fire. Those are the numbers. If we’re going by numbers alone, the Ferguson riots were a lot worse. Of course, saying that might cause me to be pinned as a white supremacist, but BLM was connected to these riots, and people’s lives and businesses were destroyed.

It's a McNamara fallacy used to imply Black Lives Matters is an objectively more criminal terror group than neo-Nazi alt-righters based solely on body count.

...Nobody was saying that, I was merely making a point...from a certain angle.

[Proctopeo]

It's a McNamara fallacy used to imply Black Lives Matters is an objectively more criminal terror group than neo-Nazi alt-righters based solely on body count.

...Nobody was saying that, I was merely making a point...from a certain angle.

Besides, it's not being arrested for a crime makes you a criminal or something. That would be ridiculous, and also probably racist too.

[Luminesa]

...Nobody was saying that, I was merely making a point...from a certain angle.

Besides, it's not being arrested for a crime makes you a criminal or something. That would be ridiculous, and also probably racist too.

I mean, both the Ferguson riots and Charlottesville are significant. I was merely going by sheer numbers, because apparently Gauth needed an explanation about what exactly happened at Ferguson.

[Proctopeo]

Besides, it's not being arrested for a crime makes you a criminal or something. That would be ridiculous, and also probably racist too.

I mean, both the Ferguson riots and Charlottesville are significant. I was merely going by sheer numbers, because apparently Gauth needed an explanation about what exactly happened at Ferguson.

The weirdest part is that the cited fallacy doesn't even seem to apply, since all that's really important to consider are the sheer numbers.
If group "Puppies and Rainbows" that claims to aim for world peace murders five and wounds fifty, and another group called "Death, Despair, and Agony" that claims to aim for what you'd expect wounds only one, who would you think is worse? If you say "Death, Despair, and Agony", congratulations, you're wrong!

This is tangential of course.

[Salandriagado]

Lol no I'm not. You need to go and read up on Marx and Engels.

Please direct me to a website that shows the Manifesto in full. I want to be guided.

It's on Project Gutenberg.

[The Black Forrest]

Spencer is a violent agitator. People have always responded to violent agitators.

You want to shit speak; don't be surprised when shit is thrown back.

Then don't pretend to take the moral high ground when people hurl it right back at you. You are not a victim when you behave aggressively and then suffer the consequences. The Left is full of violent agitators (among other things) and people always respond in kind too. No whining when somebody bloodies your noses after you took a swing, literally or figuratively.

I thought the left where whining snowflakes? Please deliver a consistent description.

So how many people did the lefty moralistic violent (what ever other insult) agitators kill or severely injure in Charlotesville?

[Vassenor]

I don't recall anything about leftists randomly attacking interracial couples either.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Spencer is a violent agitator. People have always responded to violent agitators.

You want to shit speak; don't be surprised when shit is thrown back.

Then don't pretend to take the moral high ground when people hurl it right back at you. You are not a victim when you behave aggressively and then suffer the consequences. The Left is full of violent agitators (among other things) and people always respond in kind too. No whining when somebody bloodies your noses after you took a swing, literally or figuratively.

"The moral high ground".

We all want to take the moral high ground. In the end, shit talking gets you exactly what you're looking for. I've learned in my life not to shit-talk unless I am ready to roll with the punches. I've talked shit far more than Spencer has had, but I do it safely and without exposing myself to get hurt. That doesn't mean I haven't gotten death threats because I've talked shit. And I knew full well I could get them for talking shit to people.

There is a difference between being a victim and being victimized though. You don't have to behave like a victim to be one. Being a victim of an injustice doesn't mean you just have to sit there and take it just because you have a learned behavior of victimization. Victims can be violent, they can be passive, or they can be both. Not one single victim is the same as another. Someone breaking into my house makes me a victim of a crime, but I'll be damned if I don't grab a gun and shoot at the fucker. I was a victim, but I am not going to allow myself to be victimized.

I'm not even in agreement with the radical left but holy shit is this some desperate attempt at an argument. "The moral ground". The only moral ground that exists between two people is how willing are you to enforce your will. If all you really have is "well, uh, you shouldn't beat anyone for talking shit", then you haven't been paying attention to what's happening around you. Nor have you been in the sort of rough places where just looking at someone funny can get you shot. I have. This isn't new. It's just become more open. People have always been like this, except they'd do that in closed doors. Now it is okay to do it in broad daylight, which is distasteful in my opinion, but it's not some new revelation that, somehow, makes their violence special.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Spencer is a violent agitator. People have always responded to violent agitators.

You want to shit speak; don't be surprised when shit is thrown back.

You can't say someone's bad ideas condon violence to be perpetrated. People are fully capable of being in control of their actions and chose to break the law, unless they have a severe mental handicap or are coheres into breaking the law by law enforcement officials then they have total agency over their actions and are to be held responsible for those actions.

Shit speak does not justify violence.

No, shit speak has always justified violence of some kind.

It did back in ancient times, it did during my father's time, and it does during my time, and it will keep being justified long after I'm dead.

Just because YOU don't justify it doesn't mean it has never been justified. People are going to beat your ass for talking shit, regardless of how justified you think that is.

As much as people are capable to control their actions and not beat your ass, so can you control your actions and not provoke someone to do so. It really does go both ways. In certain areas of the country the cops won't even help you if you were talking shit and you got your ass beat, or shot. That's how justified violence towards shit speak is.

I'm a shit talker, but I am fully aware that one of these days someone will pull a gun at me and blow my fucking brains out for talking shit to them and you know what? I just hope that day comes in my old age when the last good shit remark I can give to someone is "do it motherfucker, I am being a waste of oxygen anyways so you'd be doing the world a fucking favor, you have to live with the fact you shot a man the rest of your life though, I don't". I am perfectly comfortable with the consequences of talking shit, which is why I am not going to stop talking shit.

[Anarcho capitalist utopia]

"WE SPEAK FOR THE OPPRESSED MAJORITY!"
*Barely a dozen people show up.*

I'm being oppressed by their idiocy.

Another SJW whining about "muh oppression"

You can't say someone's bad ideas condon violence to be perpetrated. People are fully capable of being in control of their actions and chose to break the law, unless they have a severe mental handicap or are coheres into breaking the law by law enforcement officials then they have total agency over their actions and are to be held responsible for those actions.

Shit speak does not justify violence.

No, shit speak has always justified violence of some kind.

It did back in ancient times, it did during my father's time, and it does during my time, and it will keep being justified long after I'm dead.

Just because YOU don't justify it doesn't mean it has never been justified. People are going to beat your ass for talking shit, regardless of how justified you think that is.

As much as people are capable to control their actions and not beat your ass, so can you control your actions and not provoke someone to do so. It really does go both ways. In certain areas of the country the cops won't even help you if you were talking shit and you got your ass beat, or shot. That's how justified violence towards shit speak is.

I'm a shit talker, but I am fully aware that one of these days someone will pull a gun at me and blow my fucking brains out for talking shit to them and you know what? I just hope that day comes in my old age when the last good shit remark I can give to someone is "do it motherfucker, I am being a waste of oxygen anyways so you'd be doing the world a fucking favor, you have to live with the fact you shot a man the rest of your life though, I don't". I am perfectly comfortable with the consequences of talking shit, which is why I am not going to stop talking shit.

Yeah instead of refuting my points, just dismiss it all as "shitspeak" and claim that because it goes against your globalist views it's "100% justified to violently suppress white nationalist opinion"

[Vassenor]

I'm being oppressed by their idiocy.

Another SJW whining about "muh oppression"

No, shit speak has always justified violence of some kind.

It did back in ancient times, it did during my father's time, and it does during my time, and it will keep being justified long after I'm dead.

Just because YOU don't justify it doesn't mean it has never been justified. People are going to beat your ass for talking shit, regardless of how justified you think that is.

As much as people are capable to control their actions and not beat your ass, so can you control your actions and not provoke someone to do so. It really does go both ways. In certain areas of the country the cops won't even help you if you were talking shit and you got your ass beat, or shot. That's how justified violence towards shit speak is.

I'm a shit talker, but I am fully aware that one of these days someone will pull a gun at me and blow my fucking brains out for talking shit to them and you know what? I just hope that day comes in my old age when the last good shit remark I can give to someone is "do it motherfucker, I am being a waste of oxygen anyways so you'd be doing the world a fucking favor, you have to live with the fact you shot a man the rest of your life though, I don't". I am perfectly comfortable with the consequences of talking shit, which is why I am not going to stop talking shit.

Yeah instead of refuting my points, just dismiss it all as "shitspeak" and claim that because it goes against your globalist views it's "100% justified to violently suppress white nationalist opinion"

Says the person who rather than refuting anyone's points just dismisses it all as #notanargument.

[Pilarcraft]

Another SJW whining about "muh oppression"


Yeah instead of refuting my points, just dismiss it all as "shitspeak" and claim that because it goes against your globalist views it's "100% justified to violently suppress white nationalist opinion"

Says the person who rather than refuting anyone's points just dismisses it all as #notanargument.

being in the same thread as this guy for the last, what, week, I'm starting to see merit the Marxist-Leninist view on "Don't debate with nazis" to be honest.

[Torrocca]

Says the person who rather than refuting anyone's points just dismisses it all as #notanargument.

being in the same thread as this guy for the last, what, week, I'm starting to see merit the Marxist-Leninist view on "Don't debate with nazis" to be honest.

I just do it at this point to show everyone else how ridiculous they are

[Petrasylvania]

Another SJW whining about "muh oppression"


Yeah instead of refuting my points, just dismiss it all as "shitspeak" and claim that because it goes against your globalist views it's "100% justified to violently suppress white nationalist opinion"

Says the person who rather than refuting anyone's points just dismisses it all as #notanargument.

It's more than Poe, it's performance art. What other way to explain the claim that pornography is a plot to destroy The White Race?

Or it could explain the specific kind of porn he frequently watches. Hmmm...

[Kubumba Tribe]

Yeah instead of refuting my points, just dismiss it all as "shitspeak" and claim that because it goes against your globalist views it's "100% justified to violently suppress white nationalist opinion"

Not gonna show sympathy to white nationalist racist who geat beat.

[Pilarcraft]

Yeah instead of refuting my points, just dismiss it all as "shitspeak" and claim that because it goes against your globalist views it's "100% justified to violently suppress white nationalist opinion"

"Those poor souls! someone decked them in the face for yelling 'JEWS BELONG TO THE OVEN!'! what kind of a monster would do that?"

[Soldati Senza Confini]

I'm being oppressed by their idiocy.

Another SJW whining about "muh oppression"

No, shit speak has always justified violence of some kind.

It did back in ancient times, it did during my father's time, and it does during my time, and it will keep being justified long after I'm dead.

Just because YOU don't justify it doesn't mean it has never been justified. People are going to beat your ass for talking shit, regardless of how justified you think that is.

As much as people are capable to control their actions and not beat your ass, so can you control your actions and not provoke someone to do so. It really does go both ways. In certain areas of the country the cops won't even help you if you were talking shit and you got your ass beat, or shot. That's how justified violence towards shit speak is.

I'm a shit talker, but I am fully aware that one of these days someone will pull a gun at me and blow my fucking brains out for talking shit to them and you know what? I just hope that day comes in my old age when the last good shit remark I can give to someone is "do it motherfucker, I am being a waste of oxygen anyways so you'd be doing the world a fucking favor, you have to live with the fact you shot a man the rest of your life though, I don't". I am perfectly comfortable with the consequences of talking shit, which is why I am not going to stop talking shit.

Yeah instead of refuting my points, just dismiss it all as "shitspeak" and claim that because it goes against your globalist views it's "100% justified to violently suppress white nationalist opinion"

I mean, it is for some people.

Now I don't give a fuck what you say as long as you don't force me to comply with your view or try to argue with me about how good white nationalism is and how niggers need to be exterminated. I am not "everyone else" though. In fact, I didn't even know this was about you, nor do I give an ounce of a shit about who you are quite frankly considering you jumped when I wasn't talking about you (and all I gotta say to you is "sit back the fuck down son cause this isn't about you"), but apparently I touched a nerve.

Looking at your posts in this thread and others all I can tell you is that you seem to talk an avalanche of bullshit for every post that you make, considering your loanwords such as "leftist sjw" and "Zionism". So excuse me if I don't take you seriously at any rate.

Also, like I said, I do talk shit. I, unlike you, am fully aware someone will beat my ass or shoot me dead one of these days, and I am completely okay with that. The question is, are you okay with being beat up or shot for being a white nationalist who is willing to talk shit to people?

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Yeah instead of refuting my points, just dismiss it all as "shitspeak" and claim that because it goes against your globalist views it's "100% justified to violently suppress white nationalist opinion"

Not gonna show sympathy to white nationalist racist who geat beat.

I really can't answer with any sympathy to that post, myself, considering his posting history is nothing but shit talking and apparently he jumped at the slightest mention of shit talking I made.

Which is funny because I also admit I am a shit talker and I do admit I have no qualms leaving this world being a shit talker.

[Proctopeo]

I don't recall anything about leftists randomly attacking interracial couples either.

I don't trust that source.

[Vassenor]

I don't recall anything about leftists randomly attacking interracial couples either.

I don't trust that source.

http://www.nashville.gov/News-Media/News-Article/ID/6942/Detectives-Investigating-Saturday-Nights-Alleged-Assault-at-Brentwood-Restaurant.aspx

Midtown Hills Precinct detectives are investigating an assault that occurred Saturday at 7:45 p.m. at the Corner Pub, 710 Old Hickory Boulevard, when a group of people allegedly began an altercation involving a bi-racial couple.

The couple, a 30-year-old white woman and a 37-year-old African American man, was sitting at a table when a group of 20-30 white men and women entered the restaurant. They sat at a table behind the couple when, according to the woman, one of the individuals asked her to “guess”. She responded “white lives matter”. Another said “that’s right” and told her to join their table and leave her boyfriend. The argument inside apparently escalated even after the female victim had gone outside to deescalate the situation. After another woman in the group reportedly began to argue with the victim, a man allegedly struck her in the face with his fist, causing a cut above her eye. She refused medical treatment.

When officers arrived all involved parties were gone. The female victim did return to the scene to make a report. She said the suspects fled in multiple vehicles, including a white van with a Wisconsin license plate and a sedan with a New York license plate.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

I don't trust that source.

http://www.nashville.gov/News-Media/News-Article/ID/6942/Detectives-Investigating-Saturday-Nights-Alleged-Assault-at-Brentwood-Restaurant.aspx

Midtown Hills Precinct detectives are investigating an assault that occurred Saturday at 7:45 p.m. at the Corner Pub, 710 Old Hickory Boulevard, when a group of people allegedly began an altercation involving a bi-racial couple.

The couple, a 30-year-old white woman and a 37-year-old African American man, was sitting at a table when a group of 20-30 white men and women entered the restaurant. They sat at a table behind the couple when, according to the woman, one of the individuals asked her to “guess”. She responded “white lives matter”. Another said “that’s right” and told her to join their table and leave her boyfriend. The argument inside apparently escalated even after the female victim had gone outside to deescalate the situation. After another woman in the group reportedly began to argue with the victim, a man allegedly struck her in the face with his fist, causing a cut above her eye. She refused medical treatment.

When officers arrived all involved parties were gone. The female victim did return to the scene to make a report. She said the suspects fled in multiple vehicles, including a white van with a Wisconsin license plate and a sedan with a New York license plate.

She should have just walked out and gone home with her boyfriend if she knew she was going to argue and she wanted to enjoy a day with her boyfriend.

What goes for one side also goes for the other: if you wanna stay out of trouble, don't bring trouble to yourself. They [the group who attacked her and her boyfriend] were out looking for a fight, and they found it.