Richard Spencer and Modern Nazism: #NotMyAmerica

[Shikihara]

He is a fascist.
Or you mean theres a way to remove twns of millions of people and repress the obvious rebellions without toltalitarianism?

Spencer wants a white ethnostate, that is white nationalist.
Also fascism is a religious concept and Spencer is an atheist.

Fascism is a religious conception in which man is seen in his immanent relationship with a superior law and with an objective Will that transcends the particular individual and raises him to conscious membership of a spiritual society. Whoever has seen in the religious politics of the Fascist regime nothing but mere opportunism has not understood that Fascism besides being a system of government is also, and above all, a system of thought.

That particular sentence was probably ghost-written by Giovanni Gentile, who identified as an atheist and was accused of "humanistic pantheism" by the Church because he philosophically supported an immanent divinity rather than the transcendent Christian one. This was not intended as a support for Catholicism or Christianity, around the same year it was written, Fascism had retaliated against the pope who condemned it as statolatry.

[Genivaria]

Bernie Sanders is a state-ists, yoy know, supporting the existance of states? Thats real anti commie.

I smell "no true scotsman"

Welcome to the far-left.

[Polvamaa]

I smell "no true scotsman"

Except for Richard, or people literally carrying nazi flags, ofc.

Ok, white nationalism is not national socialism, Richard is a white nationalist, which is pan-white.
Hitler wasnt pan-white, you could tell that by his hatred of slavs.

Communism isnt exclusively anarchist, Lenin is still communist.

[Shikihara]

That does not make him a nazi, Bernie Sanders likely attracted communists.

Bernie Sanders is a state-ists, yoy know, supporting the existance of states? Thats real anti commie.

Communism is so idiosyncratic in it's definitions, it's hard to tell what they actually believe a "state" is.

[Rostavykhan]

Well Hitler =/= the Nazi movement as a whole.

t. Strasserists

[Tekeristan]

Except for Richard, or people literally carrying nazi flags, ofc.

Ok, white nationalism is not national socialism, Richard is a white nationalist, which is pan-white.
Hitler wasnt pan-white, you could tell that by his hatred of slavs.

Communism isnt exclusively anarchist, Lenin is still communist.

I love how much in-fighting 'white suprem' groups have because of the definition of such things.
tfw Iberia
People are still going to call him fascist. Nazis were fascist, and people like to use them as an example, so.. Eh?

Variations ahoy. Yeh. That's right.

[Sovaal]

Well Hitler =/= the Nazi movement as a whole.

t. Strasserists

I'm sorry, what?

[Tekeristan]

Bernie Sanders is a state-ists, yoy know, supporting the existance of states? Thats real anti commie.

Communism is so idiosyncratic in it's definitions, it's hard to tell what they actually believe a "state" is.

I can agree.

[Rostavykhan]

t. Strasserists

I'm sorry, what?

Yeah, sorry. Was distracted.

For whatever reason I just zoomed in one "Not all Nazis" and thought of bringing up Strasserism for some reason.

Ignore pls.

[Shikihara]

My god what a hypocritical, opportunistic piece of shit.
I might not have a snowball's chance of winning office in Texas as an atheist but I wouldn't fucking lie about it to score political points.

Out of fairness to him, anticlerical Italians had a love-hate relationship with the Church for centuries. They could despise it one minute and then acknowledge it's contribution to Italian culture the second.

Just want to note the irony of Hitler, Franco, and Mussolini all being Islamaboos but neo-fascists hate Muslim immigration.

[Pilarcraft]

Except for Richard, or people literally carrying nazi flags, ofc.

Ok, white nationalism is not national socialism, Richard is a white nationalist, which is pan-white.
Hitler wasnt pan-white, you could tell that by his hatred of slavs.

Communism isnt exclusively anarchist, Lenin is still communist.

no Lennin is, at the farthest stretch of the word, a Socialist.
And not even that, in my opinion, but i digress.
If you want Communist, you can go for Kropotkin or Bookchin.

[Rostavykhan]

My god what a hypocritical, opportunistic piece of shit.
I might not have a snowball's chance of winning office in Texas as an atheist but I wouldn't fucking lie about it to score political points.

Out of fairness to him, anticlerical Italians had a love-hate relationship with the Church for centuries. They could despise it one minute and then acknowledge it's contribution to Italian culture the second.

Just want to note the irony of Hitler, Franco, and Mussolini all being Islamaboos but neo-fascists hate Muslim immigration.

I don't think Mussolini or Franco were fans of Islam...

[Polvamaa]

My god what a hypocritical, opportunistic piece of shit.
I might not have a snowball's chance of winning office in Texas as an atheist but I wouldn't fucking lie about it to score political points.

Out of fairness to him, anticlerical Italians had a love-hate relationship with the Church for centuries. They could despise it one minute and then acknowledge it's contribution to Italian culture the second.

Just want to note the irony of Hitler, Franco, and Mussolini all being Islamaboos but neo-fascists hate Muslim immigration.

Franco's rule was clerical fascist, a catholic one.

[Shikihara]

Communism isnt exclusively anarchist, Lenin is still communist.

Given how much Marx and Engels savaged Proudhon, Stirner, anyone remotely related to anarchism, and the whole ideology itself; I think it's safe to say that's an understatement. Marxism is a much different beast from anarchism in a lot of ways.

no Lennin is, at the farthest stretch of the word, a Socialist.

Lenin was an extremely dogmatic socialist, to the point that numerous biographers noted that he took Marx's works as though they were holy texts. It'd be insane to argue that he wasn't a socialist.

[Shikihara]

Out of fairness to him, anticlerical Italians had a love-hate relationship with the Church for centuries. They could despise it one minute and then acknowledge it's contribution to Italian culture the second.

Just want to note the irony of Hitler, Franco, and Mussolini all being Islamaboos but neo-fascists hate Muslim immigration.

I don't think Mussolini or Franco were fans of Islam...

once told his cabinet that "Islam was perhaps a more effective religion than Christianity"

That, and the fact he proclaimed himself the "protector of Islam," and founded a Muslim Association of the Lictor for Fascist Libyans.

Franco was quite fond of the Muslim troops under his command in the Spanish Civil War, if memory serves.

[Pilarcraft]

Communism isnt exclusively anarchist, Lenin is still communist.

Given how much Marx and Engels savaged Proudhon, Stirner, anyone remotely related to anarchism, and the whole ideology itself; I think it's safe to say that's an understatement. Marxism is a much different beast from anarchism in a lot of ways.

no Lennin is, at the farthest stretch of the word, a Socialist.

Lenin was an extremely dogmatic socialist, to the point that numerous biographers noted that he took Marx's works as though they were holy texts. It'd be insane to argue that he wasn't a socialist.

yeah, well he didn't seem to take marx's words holy when they said he'd have to abolish the state at some point. I mean, sure he wasn't as autocratic as Stalin, but still...

[Shikihara]

he didn't seem to take marx's words holy when they said he'd have to abolish the state at some point.

Lenin absolutely did believe that the state would "wither away," after it had served it's purpose. You haven't read Marx if you think he was in support of immediately abolishing the state once the proletariat came to power.

I mean, sure he wasn't as autocratic as Stalin, but still...

In a situation like Russia, where there had been a massive civil war, and the intervention of numerous world powers in support of the Whites, it's not going to resemble an anarchist libertarian fantasy. That's sheer foolishness.

[Tekeristan]

he didn't seem to take marx's words holy when they said he'd have to abolish the state at some point.

Lenin absolutely did believe that the state would "wither away," after it had served it's purpose. You haven't read Marx if you think he was in support of immediately abolishing the state once the proletariat came to power.

I mean, sure he wasn't as autocratic as Stalin, but still...

In a situation like Russia, where there had been a massive civil war, and the intervention of numerous world powers in support of the Whites, it's not going to resemble an anarchist libertarian fantasy. That's sheer foolishness.

Yea.. I do imagine there'd be quite a sour taste of the outside world when said outside world had been actively conspiring against you. Sorta need a system to protect oneself I suppose.

Huh. I haven't really dived into this area of thought.

[Rostavykhan]

Lenin absolutely did believe that the state would "wither away," after it had served it's purpose. You haven't read Marx if you think he was in support of immediately abolishing the state once the proletariat came to power.


In a situation like Russia, where there had been a massive civil war, and the intervention of numerous world powers in support of the Whites, it's not going to resemble an anarchist libertarian fantasy. That's sheer foolishness.

Yea.. I do imagine there'd be quite a sour taste of the outside world when said outside world had been actively conspiring against you. Sorta need a system to protect oneself I suppose.

Huh. I haven't really dived into this area of thought.

It's kind of the same area that China was in, considering it had been bullied and picked apart by Western Powers for over a century. Both the KMT and CCP considered that China needed a powerful government and a unified populace to fight back against such threats.

Can't afford to try and establish your stateless society or whatever in a world where you would be surrounded by most likely hostile foreigners who are opposed to your ideology. In both cases, the push to quickly build up their nations and defend themselves would have probably seemed the more immediate concern.

[Major-Tom]

So, Richard Spencer, huh?

[Tekeristan]

Yea.. I do imagine there'd be quite a sour taste of the outside world when said outside world had been actively conspiring against you. Sorta need a system to protect oneself I suppose.

Huh. I haven't really dived into this area of thought.

It's kind of the same area that China was in, considering it had been bullied and picked apart by Western Powers for over a century. Both the KMT and CCP considered that China needed a powerful government and a unified populace to fight back against such threats.

Can't afford to try and establish your stateless society or whatever in a world where you would be surrounded by most likely hostile foreigners who are opposed to your ideology. In both cases, the push to quickly build up their nations and defend themselves would have probably seemed the more immediate concern.

Sorta brings light to Stalin's whole 'mass industrialization' thing.

I wondered why such mass actions usually resulted in a lot of death. But I suppose a good portion of it was forcing farmers to suddenly stop farming and shoving them all into cities - no real time to let things adjust so it either works or it works with a good lot of 'collateral damage'.

AT least that's how I'm seeing it?

[Liriena]

So, Richard Spencer, huh?

Turns out he's just as bad at giving speeches as he is at taking punches.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

He also really liked Al-Islam, he said that Al-Islam was stronger than Christianity and said that Christianity was a weak religion.

that's not exactly a good defense for Al-Islam.

It wasn't supposed to be. It was about Hitler anyways.

[United States of Red Dawn]

Except for Richard, or people literally carrying nazi flags, ofc.

Ok, white nationalism is not national socialism, Richard is a white nationalist, which is pan-white.
Hitler wasnt pan-white, you could tell that by his hatred of slavs.

Communism isnt exclusively anarchist, Lenin is still communist.

In addition, Hitler was also more of a Nordicist than any W.N. could be. A purist and fanatic; a lot like present day Communists and ANTIFA, among others.

[Petrasylvania]

Have you heard of our lord and savior blonde Aryan Jesus, who was definitely not a Jew, nosiree?

Behold that manly Germanic beard.

Dirk Nowitzki is really Jesus?