Richard Spencer and Modern Nazism: #NotMyAmerica

[Sovaal]

"Yah see, those Jews didn't resit getting in the train cars bound for the camps, so it wasn't a genocide, just some peaceful ethnic cleansing"/s

Those camps were in Nazi held territory. What you just said makes absolutely no sense in regards to deporting people.

Deportation isn't the only, nor most common, form of ethnic cleansing. Nor is it ever peaceful.

[Kubumba Tribe]

Mussolini was an atheist

Wasn't Hitler irreligious as well?

He also really liked Al-Islam, he said that Al-Islam was stronger than Christianity and said that Christianity was a weak religion.

[Genivaria]

While I will agree that white nationalist doesn't automatically equal fascist the claim that fascism is a 'religious concept' because a particular catholic said so is lol worthy.

Mussolini was an atheist

Okay I had to google that to check.

After this conciliation, he claimed the Church was subordinate to the State, and "referred to Catholicism as, in origin, a minor sect that had spread beyond Palestine only because grafted onto the organization of the Roman empire."[190] After the concordat, "he confiscated more issues of Catholic newspapers in the next three months than in the previous seven years."[190] Mussolini reportedly came close to being excommunicated from the Catholic Church around this time.[190]

Mussolini publicly reconciled with the Pope Pius XI in 1932, but "took care to exclude from the newspapers any photography of himself kneeling or showing deference to the Pope."[190] He wanted to persuade Catholics that "[f]ascism was Catholic and he himself a believer who spent some of each day in prayer ..."[190] The Pope began referring to Mussolini as "a man sent by Providence."[188][190] Despite Mussolini's efforts to appear pious, by order of his party, pronouns referring to him "had to be capitalized like those referring to God ..."[190]

In 1938 Mussolini began reasserting his anti-clericalism. He would sometimes refer to himself as an "outright disbeliever," and once told his cabinet that "Islam was perhaps a more effective religion than Christianity" and that the "papacy was a malignant tumor in the body of Italy and must 'be rooted out once and for all', because there was no room in Rome for both the Pope and himself."[194] He publicly backed down from these anti-clerical statements, but continued making similar statements in private.[citation needed]

After his fall from power in 1943, Mussolini began speaking "more about God and the obligations of conscience", although "he still had little use for the priests and sacraments of the Church".[195] He also began drawing parallels between himself and Jesus Christ.[195] Mussolini's widow, Rachele, stated that her husband had remained "basically irreligious until the later years of his life".[196] Mussolini was given a Catholic funeral in 1957.[197]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benito_Mu ... ran_Treaty
My god what a hypocritical, opportunistic piece of shit.
I might not have a snowball's chance of winning office in Texas as an atheist but I wouldn't fucking lie about it to score political points.

[Pilarcraft]

Wasn't Hitler irreligious as well?

He also really liked Al-Islam, he said that Al-Islam was stronger than Christianity and said that Christianity was a weak religion.

that's not exactly a good defense for Al-Islam.

[Neanderthaland]

Wasn't Hitler irreligious as well?

According gobbels he was down h right anti-christian.

And according to Hitler he was Roman Catholic.

Nobody is ever going to know Hitler's private religious views, since apparently his word is not good enough. But the Nazis generally were not an irreligious movement, even though people like to describe them as one.

[Genivaria]

Mussolini was an atheist

Wasn't Hitler irreligious as well?

Hitler was iffy on that.
He often condemned established religion (especially Christianity) as being too soft and compassionate and praised Islam for promoting submission to authority.
Ironic considering that his administration had many pro-Christian policies.

That said there's not much to hint at that he was an outright atheist, possible but I think it more likely that he was some form of 'spiritual' mixed with alot of social darwinistic garbage.

If Germany won I can easily see some kind of new religious movement being spawned to spiritually justify Nazism.

[Sovaal]

He also really liked Al-Islam, he said that Al-Islam was stronger than Christianity and said that Christianity was a weak religion.

that's not exactly a good defense for Al-Islam.

I mean Hitler liked dogs as well...

[Republic of the Cristo]

Mussolini was an atheist

Okay I had to google that to check.

After this conciliation, he claimed the Church was subordinate to the State, and "referred to Catholicism as, in origin, a minor sect that had spread beyond Palestine only because grafted onto the organization of the Roman empire."[190] After the concordat, "he confiscated more issues of Catholic newspapers in the next three months than in the previous seven years."[190] Mussolini reportedly came close to being excommunicated from the Catholic Church around this time.[190]

Mussolini publicly reconciled with the Pope Pius XI in 1932, but "took care to exclude from the newspapers any photography of himself kneeling or showing deference to the Pope."[190] He wanted to persuade Catholics that "[f]ascism was Catholic and he himself a believer who spent some of each day in prayer ..."[190] The Pope began referring to Mussolini as "a man sent by Providence."[188][190] Despite Mussolini's efforts to appear pious, by order of his party, pronouns referring to him "had to be capitalized like those referring to God ..."[190]

In 1938 Mussolini began reasserting his anti-clericalism. He would sometimes refer to himself as an "outright disbeliever," and once told his cabinet that "Islam was perhaps a more effective religion than Christianity" and that the "papacy was a malignant tumor in the body of Italy and must 'be rooted out once and for all', because there was no room in Rome for both the Pope and himself."[194] He publicly backed down from these anti-clerical statements, but continued making similar statements in private.[citation needed]

After his fall from power in 1943, Mussolini began speaking "more about God and the obligations of conscience", although "he still had little use for the priests and sacraments of the Church".[195] He also began drawing parallels between himself and Jesus Christ.[195] Mussolini's widow, Rachele, stated that her husband had remained "basically irreligious until the later years of his life".[196] Mussolini was given a Catholic funeral in 1957.[197]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benito_Mu ... ran_Treaty
My god what a hypocritical, opportunistic piece of shit.
I might not have a snowball's chance of winning office in Texas as an atheist but I wouldn't fucking lie about it to score political points.

A similar story with hitler

[Escocaria]

Those camps were in Nazi held territory. What you just said makes absolutely no sense in regards to deporting people.

Deportation isn't the only, nor most common, form of ethnic cleansing. Nor is it ever peaceful.

Then what are you trying to say? I was talking about deporting undesirables to other countries where they would be accepted so that they would not be a nuisance and/or be killed. If you don't want to call it peaceful then call it non-lethal.

[Tekeristan]

Deportation isn't the only, nor most common, form of ethnic cleansing. Nor is it ever peaceful.

Then what are you trying to say? I was talking about deporting undesirables to other countries where they would be accepted so that they would not be a nuisance and/or be killed. If you don't want to call it peaceful then call it non-lethal.

Just the system i want to live in, where the authorities deport all of the opposing voting bases. :^)

[Escocaria]

Then what are you trying to say? I was talking about deporting undesirables to other countries where they would be accepted so that they would not be a nuisance and/or be killed. If you don't want to call it peaceful then call it non-lethal.

Just the system i want to live in, where the authorities deport all of the opposing voting bases. :^)

Well, at least you're honest.

[Sovaal]

Wasn't Hitler irreligious as well?

Hitler was iffy on that.
He often condemned established religion (especially Christianity) as being too soft and compassionate and praised Islam for promoting submission to authority.
Ironic considering that his administration had many pro-Christian policies.

That said there's not much to hint at that he was an outright atheist, possible but I think it more likely that he was some form of 'spiritual' mixed with alot of social darwinistic garbage.

If Germany won I can easily see some kind of new religious movement being spawned to spiritually justify Nazism.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Evangelical_Church

[Neanderthaland]

Okay I had to google that to check.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benito_Mu ... ran_Treaty
My god what a hypocritical, opportunistic piece of shit.
I might not have a snowball's chance of winning office in Texas as an atheist but I wouldn't fucking lie about it to score political points.

A similar story with hitler

In defense of Hitler (wow, did I really say that?) it's pretty much mandatory for German leaders to be anti-clerical. You have to prove to the Lutherans that you're not a puppet of the Pope.

[Vassenor]

According gobbels he was down h right anti-christian.

And according to Hitler he was Roman Catholic.

Nobody is ever going to know Hitler's private religious views, since apparently his word is not good enough. But the Nazis generally were not an irreligious movement, even though people like to describe them as one.

When every soldier's uniform includes insignia bearing the phrase "God with us" it's hard to claim to be irreligious.

[Tekeristan]

Just the system i want to live in, where the authorities deport all of the opposing voting bases. :^)

Well, at least you're honest.

[Tekeristan]

And according to Hitler he was Roman Catholic.

Nobody is ever going to know Hitler's private religious views, since apparently his word is not good enough. But the Nazis generally were not an irreligious movement, even though people like to describe them as one.

When every soldier's uniform includes insignia bearing the phrase "God with us" it's hard to claim to be irreligious.

Appeasing a vital support bloc, i think.

[Sovaal]

Deportation isn't the only, nor most common, form of ethnic cleansing. Nor is it ever peaceful.

Then what are you trying to say?

That it's impossible to commit a harmful act peacefully. There are no peaceful rapes or murders or wars, just as there is no such thing as a peaceful ethnic cleansing.

I was talking about deporting undesirables to other countries where they would be accepted so that they would not be a nuisance and/or be killed.

That doesn't make the act peaceful. Me sucker punching a guy rather then killing him doesn't make the act of punching him peaceful.

If you don't want to call it peaceful then call it non-lethal.

Eh, I guess it's a better term.

[Sovaal]

And according to Hitler he was Roman Catholic.

Nobody is ever going to know Hitler's private religious views, since apparently his word is not good enough. But the Nazis generally were not an irreligious movement, even though people like to describe them as one.

When every soldier's uniform includes insignia bearing the phrase "God with us" it's hard to claim to be irreligious.

Well Hitler =/= the Nazi movement as a whole.

[Genivaria]

Hitler was iffy on that.
He often condemned established religion (especially Christianity) as being too soft and compassionate and praised Islam for promoting submission to authority.
Ironic considering that his administration had many pro-Christian policies.

That said there's not much to hint at that he was an outright atheist, possible but I think it more likely that he was some form of 'spiritual' mixed with alot of social darwinistic garbage.

If Germany won I can easily see some kind of new religious movement being spawned to spiritually justify Nazism.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Evangelical_Church

In 1934, the German Evangelical Church suffered controversies and internal struggles which left member churches either detached or reorganized into German Christians-led dioceses of what was to become a single, unified Reich Church compatible with Nazi ideology for all of Nazi Germany.

Yeah that's about what I expected them to do.

[Genivaria]

A similar story with hitler

In defense of Hitler (wow, did I really say that?) it's pretty much mandatory for German leaders to be anti-clerical. You have to prove to the Lutherans that you're not a puppet of the Pope.

Also there wasn't any point where Hitler labeled himself as atheist, even to those closest to him.
It's a mistake to just assume that being anti-clerical equates with atheist.

[Sovaal]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Evangelical_Church

In 1934, the German Evangelical Church suffered controversies and internal struggles which left member churches either detached or reorganized into German Christians-led dioceses of what was to become a single, unified Reich Church compatible with Nazi ideology for all of Nazi Germany.

Yeah that's about what I expected them to do.

Have you heard of our lord and savior blonde Aryan Jesus, who was definitely not a Jew, nosiree?

[Shikihara]

And according to Hitler he was Roman Catholic.

Nobody is ever going to know Hitler's private religious views, since apparently his word is not good enough. But the Nazis generally were not an irreligious movement, even though people like to describe them as one.

You see, it's been our misfortune to have the wrong religion. Why didn't we have the religion of the Japanese, who regard sacrifice for the Fatherland as the highest good? The Mohammedan religion too would have been more compatible to us than Christianity. Why did it have to be Christianity with its meekness and flabbiness?

It wouldn't be accurate to call Hitler an "atheist," rather I would say that he had a vague, ill defined concept of a higher power who was leading him to fulfill the destiny of the German people. Hitler's public statements matter very little, they were propaganda. His private statements where he had no reason to hide his true feelings are much more valuable.

And according to Hitler he was Roman Catholic.

Nobody is ever going to know Hitler's private religious views, since apparently his word is not good enough. But the Nazis generally were not an irreligious movement, even though people like to describe them as one.

When every soldier's uniform includes insignia bearing the phrase "God with us" it's hard to claim to be irreligious.

No more than US soldiers were religious because of "under God" in the pledge of allegiance.

[Genivaria]

Yeah that's about what I expected them to do.

Have you heard of our lord and savior blonde Aryan Jesus, who was definitely not a Jew, nosiree?

Behold that manly Germanic beard.

[Polvamaa]

That does not make him a nazi, Bernie Sanders likely attracted communists.

Bernie Sanders is a state-ists, yoy know, supporting the existance of states? Thats real anti commie.

I smell "no true scotsman"

[Tekeristan]

Bernie Sanders is a state-ists, yoy know, supporting the existance of states? Thats real anti commie.

I smell "no true scotsman"

Except for Richard, or people literally carrying nazi flags, ofc.