The #MeToo Campaign (Updated)

[Ostroeuropa]

There we go then, not a problem, just makes the people who started and advertised it look out of touch and gynocentric. In functional terms, there's not much bad going on with this one I don't think.

If the media reports on it as "Womens tweets" that'd be a problem, and it'd be another instance of the willful ignorance and silence of the feminist organizers and media class to mens issues.

It all started because of Harvery Weinstein who, as far as we know, exclusively harassed women. Go figure that a twitter campaign in response to that would be "gynocentric".

The focus being on women in these campaigns means more women will come forward, while men don't get that encouragement, thus netting more weinsteins and a self-perpetuating loop of "Justifications" for the unending gynocentricity of popular gender activism.

[Gig em Aggies]

It's a twitter campaign. Simple enough to hijack.

In fact, I may propose exactly that to the MRM reddit.

"If you're a male who has been sexually assaulted, go do the metoo stuff. Add MRM to the tag."

"Hijack"?

So... you mean undermine the female survivors and "steal" this campaign, as if this was some sort of zero-sum game where one gender must have "control" over the hashtag?

At this point, I'm really beyond believing that you or New Edom are speaking in any manner of good faith or genuine care for sexual harassment survivors.

Of op be honest how is a hashtag gonna do anything? Look at that one done for those Girls in West Africa a whole campaign was done for them and yet most of them are still missing. Just slapping a hashtag down on twitter only has people talk in very short terms then after a week or so the whole "movement" dies down to a point people forget about

[Liriena]

"Hijack"?

So... you mean undermine the female survivors and "steal" this campaign, as if this was some sort of zero-sum game where one gender must have "control" over the hashtag?

At this point, I'm really beyond believing that you or New Edom are speaking in any manner of good faith or genuine care for sexual harassment survivors.

Hijack a campaign from gynocentrists to make it egalitarian?
Don't see the problem.

Yeh, totally up for stealing it.

I'm just baffled by the fact that you are so deluded that you can only envision this as a hijacking. Not as "men participating in the campaign too", but as "men hijacking the campaign from women". It's an amazing display of just how deep down the rabbit hole of self-victimization and "us vs them" mentality you've fallen that you immediately treat this campaign as cause for confrontation with women, rather than solidarity.

It's not even troubling any more. It's just pathetic.

[Ostroeuropa]

"Hijack"?

So... you mean undermine the female survivors and "steal" this campaign, as if this was some sort of zero-sum game where one gender must have "control" over the hashtag?

At this point, I'm really beyond believing that you or New Edom are speaking in any manner of good faith or genuine care for sexual harassment survivors.

Of op be honest how is a hashtag gonna do anything? Look at that one done for those Girls in West Africa a whole campaign was done for them and yet most of them are still missing. Just slapping a hashtag down on twitter only has people talk in very short terms then after a week or so the whole "movement" dies down to a point people forget about

Interesting campaign to bring up.
Those west african boys didn't get a campaign, there were more of them, and they're dead now.
Similarities in gynocentric focus abound.

Difference here is men who have been sexually assaulted can just speak for themselves.

[Luminesa]

The real problem here is that #MeToo is such a pathetic and stupid idea all in itself. It’s a Twitter handle. Nothing more, nothing less. It’s just like the #BringBackOurGirls handle that popped-up after news arose of the 200+ girls being held hostage by Boko Haram, which has done nothing to free those girls. It’s lazy activism that requires no actual effort. Anyone can go on Twitter and write #MeToo, but stopping abuse is ultimately about getting into the cycle and breaking it. There is a massive number of men and women who have both acknowledged that they have been abused in some way by their significant other, or by a family member. This #MeToo will not heal their pain. What will heal their pain is actually engaging them-men and women-speaking directly to them (in more than 140 characters) and working to build them up. This campaign will mean absolutely nothing if it does not lead to that.

[Ostroeuropa]

Hijack a campaign from gynocentrists to make it egalitarian?
Don't see the problem.

Yeh, totally up for stealing it.

I'm just baffled by the fact that you are so deluded that you can only envision this as a hijacking. Not as "men participating in the campaign too", but as "men hijacking the campaign from women". It's an amazing display of just how deep down the rabbit hole of self-victimization and "us vs them" mentality you've fallen that you immediately treat this campaign as cause for confrontation with women, rather than solidarity.

It's not even troubling any more. It's just pathetic.

You seem to think gynocentrists = women.
No, it's egalitarians hijackign it from gynocentrists. I'm baffled you're so far down the feminist rabbit hole you often mistake these two things for eachother.

Hijacking a campaign from gynocentrists to be more egalitarian.
Not from women.

Yes, it is us egalitarians VS them gynocentrists.

[Liriena]

It all started because of Harvery Weinstein who, as far as we know, exclusively harassed women. Go figure that a twitter campaign in response to that would be "gynocentric".

The focus being on women in these campaigns means more women will come forward, while men don't get that encouragement, thus netting more weinsteins and a self-perpetuating loop of "Justifications" for the unending gynocentricity of popular gender activism.

And yet men are speaking out. Your narrative, in this case, is pure fiction.

[Ostroeuropa]

The focus being on women in these campaigns means more women will come forward, while men don't get that encouragement, thus netting more weinsteins and a self-perpetuating loop of "Justifications" for the unending gynocentricity of popular gender activism.

And yet men are speaking out. Your narrative, in this case, is pure fiction.

They're speaking out in large part because of years of effort from the MRM to do this kind of thing. The feminist movement has done comparatively nothing.

[Gig em Aggies]

Of op be honest how is a hashtag gonna do anything? Look at that one done for those Girls in West Africa a whole campaign was done for them and yet most of them are still missing. Just slapping a hashtag down on twitter only has people talk in very short terms then after a week or so the whole "movement" dies down to a point people forget about

Interesting campaign to bring up.
Those west african boys didn't get a campaign, there were more of them, and they're dead now.
Similarities in gynocentric focus abound.

Difference here is men who have been sexually assaulted can just speak for themselves.

Women can do the same to a hashtag won't make it easier nor simpler best anyone can do is got to the authorities and not to twitter.

[Conserative Morality]

The real problem here is that #MeToo is such a pathetic and stupid idea all in itself. It’s a Twitter handle. Nothing more, nothing less. It’s just like the #BringBackOurGirls handle that popped-up after news arose of the 200+ girls being held hostage by Boko Haram, which has done nothing to free those girls. It’s lazy activism that requires no actual effort. Anyone can go on Twitter and write #MeToo, but stopping abuse is ultimately about getting into the cycle and breaking it. There is a massive number of men and women who have both acknowledged that they have been abused in some way by their significant other, or by a family member. This #MeToo will not heal their pain. What will heal their pain is actually engaging them-men and women-speaking directly to them (in more than 140 characters) and working to build them up. This campaign will mean absolutely nothing if it does not lead to that.

"Communication and raising awareness is such a stupid idea."

Okay.

[Liriena]

imagine finding out a public celebrity kept sexually harrassing, assaulting, and raping people for a long time, and having the thought "but what about m e n ?"

Must be a sad life to lead.

Seriously. I mean, when we have threads about homophobia, I don't immediately scream "yeah, but what about biphobia among gay men, huh?". Its a legitimate problem alright, but I don't have this weird urge to bring it up to undermine others.

[Vassenor]

You know your narrative has gone beyond what's reasonable when you feel the urge to use a campaign in response to Harvey Weinstein to whine "yeah, but what about men?!!"

"But why can't we have Straight / White Pride?"

It's the same brand of whataboutism that people use to shut down movements they don't like.

[Ostroeuropa]

Must be a sad life to lead.

Seriously. I mean, when we have threads about homophobia, I don't immediately scream "yeah, but what about biphobia among gay men, huh?". Its a legitimate problem alright, but I don't have this weird urge to bring it up to undermine others.

There isn't a substantial and powerful section of the LGBT lobby that adamantly denies biphobia is a thing, and fudges research to discriminate against bi people.
False comparison.

You know your narrative has gone beyond what's reasonable when you feel the urge to use a campaign in response to Harvey Weinstein to whine "yeah, but what about men?!!"

"But why can't we have Straight / White Pride?"

It's the same brand of whataboutism that people use to shut down movements they don't like.

This is also a false comparison.
The bottom of society is overwhelmingly male. It is not overwhelmingly white in most issues, nor straight.

[Gig em Aggies]

The real problem here is that #MeToo is such a pathetic and stupid idea all in itself. It’s a Twitter handle. Nothing more, nothing less. It’s just like the #BringBackOurGirls handle that popped-up after news arose of the 200+ girls being held hostage by Boko Haram, which has done nothing to free those girls. It’s lazy activism that requires no actual effort. Anyone can go on Twitter and write #MeToo, but stopping abuse is ultimately about getting into the cycle and breaking it. There is a massive number of men and women who have both acknowledged that they have been abused in some way by their significant other, or by a family member. This #MeToo will not heal their pain. What will heal their pain is actually engaging them-men and women-speaking directly to them (in more than 140 characters) and working to build them up. This campaign will mean absolutely nothing if it does not lead to that.

"Communication and raising awareness is such a stupid idea."

Okay.

You can still do that w/o a twitter handle everyone now a days thinks problems would be solved by making a twitter handle yet it's quite the opposite. Like he said and I talking face to face and actually doing something about will stop the abuse not a twitter handle.

[Luminesa]

The real problem here is that #MeToo is such a pathetic and stupid idea all in itself. It’s a Twitter handle. Nothing more, nothing less. It’s just like the #BringBackOurGirls handle that popped-up after news arose of the 200+ girls being held hostage by Boko Haram, which has done nothing to free those girls. It’s lazy activism that requires no actual effort. Anyone can go on Twitter and write #MeToo, but stopping abuse is ultimately about getting into the cycle and breaking it. There is a massive number of men and women who have both acknowledged that they have been abused in some way by their significant other, or by a family member. This #MeToo will not heal their pain. What will heal their pain is actually engaging them-men and women-speaking directly to them (in more than 140 characters) and working to build them up. This campaign will mean absolutely nothing if it does not lead to that.

"Communication and raising awareness is such a stupid idea."

Okay.

Hard to see with all that straw in your face I guess. I guess I’ll have to write it in 140 characters or less for you:

“Slacktivism means nothing if it doesn’t lead to action.”

There, does that help, or do you still need help moving some of that straw?

[Conserative Morality]

"Communication and raising awareness is such a stupid idea."

Okay.

Hard to see with all that straw in your face I guess. I guess I’ll have to write it in 140 characters or less for you:

“Slacktivism means nothing if it doesn’t lead to action.”

There, does that help, or do you still need help moving some of that straw?

The real problem here is that #MeToo is such a pathetic and stupid idea all in itself.

It's okay, I understand if you don't want to acknowledge the words you literally wrote.

[Ostroeuropa]

So I checked the MRM reddit. Comments on it are mostly reporting negative reactions from gynocentrists to men posting it on facebook, as well as most of them just going along with it and posting it.

So there's legitimate grievance here caused by the gynocentric focus, for instance, top comment:

A male friend of mine posted it and was told he's "not funny or original". He was molested at age 6 for over a year...

And

I explained that I was sexually harassed when I was 16 by a co-worker, and when I brought it to the attention of my manager, I was not only laughed at for my outrageous reaction, but I was also informed that the manager was in on it. It was emasculating and infuriating. This person replied and told me that women have it so much worse than that, so I don't deserve equality with regards to the attention "me too" is getting.

I'd wager those who posted without incident aren't posting in the reddit thread about the metoo campaign.

By making it a gynocentric campaign, as usual, we see the misandrists come out of the woodwork, even if it is later forced into being more egalitarian.

Oh, and this one.
https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/com ... /?sort=top

I know these feels. Watching domestic abusers get up and rant about "Womens issues" in domestic violence gets me similarly.

[Luminesa]

"Communication and raising awareness is such a stupid idea."

Okay.

You can still do that w/o a twitter handle everyone now a days thinks problems would be solved by making a twitter handle yet it's quite the opposite. Like he said and I talking face to face and actually doing something about will stop the abuse not a twitter handle.

Boots on the ground or bust. Then again, I guess CM thinks snark might solve the problem as well. Perhaps a gif of Oprah nodding her head solemnly while crying rehearsed tears will also do.

[Conserative Morality]

Boots on the ground or bust. Then again, I guess CM thinks snark might solve the problem as well. Perhaps a gif of Oprah nodding her head solemnly while crying rehearsed tears will also do.

"H-how dare you use MODERNITY to share stories and raise awareness? Don't you know that's worthless? There's only one way to communicate that matters and that's the kind I don't have to hear about. =^^^^("

[Luminesa]

Hard to see with all that straw in your face I guess. I guess I’ll have to write it in 140 characters or less for you:

“Slacktivism means nothing if it doesn’t lead to action.”

There, does that help, or do you still need help moving some of that straw?

The real problem here is that #MeToo is such a pathetic and stupid idea all in itself.

It's okay, I understand if you don't want to acknowledge the words you literally wrote.

In less than 140 characters too. Good job, that was very productive and insightful of you.

[Conserative Morality]

In less than 140 characters too. Good job, that was very productive and insightful of you.

It's funny because your verbosity did nothing to improve the coherency or strength of your supposed point.

What use is 140< characters if you can't get more across with them?

[Luminesa]

Boots on the ground or bust. Then again, I guess CM thinks snark might solve the problem as well. Perhaps a gif of Oprah nodding her head solemnly while crying rehearsed tears will also do.

"H-how dare you use MODERNITY to share stories and raise awareness? Don't you know that's worthless? There's only one way to communicate that matters and that's the kind I don't have to hear about. =^^^^("

[Liriena]

I'm just baffled by the fact that you are so deluded that you can only envision this as a hijacking. Not as "men participating in the campaign too", but as "men hijacking the campaign from women". It's an amazing display of just how deep down the rabbit hole of self-victimization and "us vs them" mentality you've fallen that you immediately treat this campaign as cause for confrontation with women, rather than solidarity.

It's not even troubling any more. It's just pathetic.

You seem to think gynocentrists = women.

No, you seem to think gynocentrist = women in this case, since you insist on acting like this is a campaign that was randomly proclaimed by the feminist tyranny with the explicit rule that men were excluded, as opposed to this being a reaction to one particular story of several women being sexually harassed with impunity by a powerful man, and other deciding to tell their stories using a hashtag as a display of solidarity (and to raise awareness).

If it's "gynocentrist", it's only because it's rooted in a story about female survivors... and that's not really "gynocentrist" so much as it is just following current events.

This is like complaining that National Coming Out Day" is "homocentrist" or Transgender Awareness Week is "transcentrist". If you are aware of the context behind these events and their related campaigns, complains about lack of "egalitarianism" sound more like entitled self-centered whining than anything else.

No, it's egalitarians hijackign it from gynocentrists. I'm baffled you're so far down the feminist rabbit hole you often mistake these two things for eachother.

Nice retortion... although it's a bit undermined by the fact that you are wrong.

Hijacking a campaign from gynocentrists to be more egalitarian.
Not from women.

Yes, it is us egalitarians VS them gynocentrists.

No. It's just a pair of meninists trying to stir up crap for their own self-indulgence. There is nothing "egalitarian" about having an urge to, in your own words, "hijack" a twitter campaign because you don't like the fact that it was apparently started and mostly led by women in response to other women being sexually harassed by a powerful man with impunity.

Rather than share your own stories in good faith, you want to complain that the campaign wasn't about you in the first place and "hijack" it.

[Luminesa]

In less than 140 characters too. Good job, that was very productive and insightful of you.

It's funny because your verbosity did nothing to improve the coherency or strength of your supposed point.

What use is 140< characters if you can't get more across with them?

Proving your own point, you said a lot of nothing with quite a lot of words.

[Conserative Morality]

"H-how dare you use MODERNITY to share stories and raise awareness? Don't you know that's worthless? There's only one way to communicate that matters and that's the kind I don't have to hear about. =^^^^("

Things past incarnations of Lumi have probably said:

"Writing about it doesn't do anything! Books don't matter! If you aren't talking to people, what's the point?"

"Radio? What kind of 'communication' is that? How's that going to help anything? If it's not in the newspapers, who's it going to reach?"

"TV? That's child's play. You can't address real problems through visual media!"