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Engleberg
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Postby Engleberg » Sun Oct 15, 2017 7:10 pm

As an absolute monarchist, I guess you could say authoritarianism exists within it.

It just works so much better than democracy, which allows any schmuck to change the government.
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Lancaster of Wessex
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Postby Lancaster of Wessex » Sun Oct 15, 2017 7:13 pm

Engleberg wrote:As an absolute monarchist, I guess you could say authoritarianism exists within it.

It just works so much better than democracy, which allows any schmuck to change the government.


If it were possible (and it's not), I'd be in favour to a POINT to have an enlightened absolute monarch, one that was liberal in their views, tolerant, was pro-science, allowed nearly all freedoms, just without the terrible points of democracy (e.g. allowing someone like Trump to be elected).
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Postby The Emerald Legion » Sun Oct 15, 2017 7:17 pm

Engleberg wrote:As an absolute monarchist, I guess you could say authoritarianism exists within it.

It just works so much better than democracy, which allows any schmuck to change the government.


Even in an Absolute monarchy. Any old Schmuck can change the government. It's just a lot more unpleasant for the guy in office because it involves violating their structural integrity until they're rendered non-repairable.
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Postby Shang Leros » Sun Oct 15, 2017 7:19 pm

Lancaster of Wessex wrote:
Engleberg wrote:If it were possible (and it's not), I'd be in favour to a POINT to have an enlightened absolute monarch, one that was liberal in their views, tolerant, was pro-science, allowed nearly all freedoms, just without the terrible points of democracy (e.g. allowing someone like Trump to be elected).

President shouldn't do much they should be functionaries responsible for oversight. Tasks are for specialists. That's how it is in a corporation.
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Postby Genivaria » Sun Oct 15, 2017 7:26 pm

The Emerald Legion wrote:
Engleberg wrote:As an absolute monarchist, I guess you could say authoritarianism exists within it.

It just works so much better than democracy, which allows any schmuck to change the government.


Even in an Absolute monarchy. Any old Schmuck can change the government. It's just a lot more unpleasant for the guy in office because it involves violating their structural integrity until they're rendered non-repairable.

That's a very strange euphemism for decapitation. :D
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Postby Rusozak » Sun Oct 15, 2017 7:27 pm

Engleberg wrote:As an absolute monarchist, I guess you could say authoritarianism exists within it.

It just works so much better than democracy, which allows any schmuck to change the government.


As opposed to a schmuck being handed an entire nation to rule with unlimited authority all because his dad was the previous ruler? Assuming the counterpoint would be said schmuck would be raised form birth to be a ruler, but I think everyone knows you can't guarantee how someone is going to turn out.
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Postby MERIZoC » Sun Oct 15, 2017 7:29 pm

Sadly, the authoritarian assembly was dispersed due to a violation of protest laws.

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Postby MERIZoC » Sun Oct 15, 2017 7:31 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:I'm here, what's the meeting about.

I'm a sort of blanket authoritarian in that I approve of authoritarianism in general, though I prefer religious authoritarianism over the other forms. All government and statehood is based upon force and violence, authoritarian countries just don't hide it. Subjects should be ruled by the government, not the other way around. There must always be rulers to rule, and subjects to obey the rulers.

What if the ruler says everyone must be trans

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Postby Kubra » Sun Oct 15, 2017 7:34 pm

MERIZoC wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:I'm here, what's the meeting about.

I'm a sort of blanket authoritarian in that I approve of authoritarianism in general, though I prefer religious authoritarianism over the other forms. All government and statehood is based upon force and violence, authoritarian countries just don't hide it. Subjects should be ruled by the government, not the other way around. There must always be rulers to rule, and subjects to obey the rulers.

What if the ruler says everyone must be trans
and what if the ruler is a kurd
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Postby The Emerald Legion » Sun Oct 15, 2017 7:35 pm

Genivaria wrote:
The Emerald Legion wrote:
Even in an Absolute monarchy. Any old Schmuck can change the government. It's just a lot more unpleasant for the guy in office because it involves violating their structural integrity until they're rendered non-repairable.

That's a very strange euphemism for decapitation. :D


I was trying to come up with something to cover all the common forms of execution of former monarchs. Firing Squad, Decapitation, Etc.
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Postby Roosevetania » Sun Oct 15, 2017 7:35 pm

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Postby The East Marches II » Sun Oct 15, 2017 7:38 pm

Kubra wrote:
MERIZoC wrote:What if the ruler says everyone must be trans
and what if the ruler is a kurd


>mfw

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Postby Atheus » Sun Oct 15, 2017 7:45 pm

Why do so many people think that they deserve the privilege of dictating public policy and influencing the State when most are so politically illiterate?
How many people in this thread believe in rights as a concept, as opposed to privileges granted by the State and taken when necessary?

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Engleberg
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Postby Engleberg » Sun Oct 15, 2017 7:47 pm

The Emerald Legion wrote:
Engleberg wrote:As an absolute monarchist, I guess you could say authoritarianism exists within it.

It just works so much better than democracy, which allows any schmuck to change the government.


Even in an Absolute monarchy. Any old Schmuck can change the government. It's just a lot more unpleasant for the guy in office because it involves violating their structural integrity until they're rendered non-repairable.


Well that's treason. That's not allowed. :p
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Postby Genivaria » Sun Oct 15, 2017 7:47 pm

Engleberg wrote:
The Emerald Legion wrote:
Even in an Absolute monarchy. Any old Schmuck can change the government. It's just a lot more unpleasant for the guy in office because it involves violating their structural integrity until they're rendered non-repairable.


Well that's treason. That's not allowed. :p

I guess my bullet is treason then.
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Postby Kubra » Sun Oct 15, 2017 7:48 pm

Atheus wrote:Why do so many people think that they deserve the privilege of dictating public policy and influencing the State when most are so politically illiterate?
How many people in this thread believe in rights as a concept, as opposed to privileges granted by the State and taken when necessary?
lol I mean is anyone itt qualified to dictate public policy

r u
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Postby Genivaria » Sun Oct 15, 2017 7:49 pm

Kubra wrote:
Atheus wrote:Why do so many people think that they deserve the privilege of dictating public policy and influencing the State when most are so politically illiterate?
How many people in this thread believe in rights as a concept, as opposed to privileges granted by the State and taken when necessary?
lol I mean is anyone itt qualified to dictate public policy

r u

Some people yeah.
r u

That's a childish response.
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Postby Kubra » Sun Oct 15, 2017 7:52 pm

Genivaria wrote:
Kubra wrote: lol I mean is anyone itt qualified to dictate public policy

r u

Some people yeah.
r u

That's a childish response.
r u

>that's a childish response
lol so what
I merely wished to present the question as succinctly as possible.
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Postby Kuznetsovia » Sun Oct 15, 2017 7:53 pm

Um... well easiest way to put it is my nation is run by the abridged from of alucard xD

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_aGG1BhMxw
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Postby Engleberg » Sun Oct 15, 2017 7:54 pm

Atheus wrote:Why do so many people think that they deserve the privilege of dictating public policy and influencing the State when most are so politically illiterate?
How many people in this thread believe in rights as a concept, as opposed to privileges granted by the State and taken when necessary?


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Postby Lancaster of Wessex » Sun Oct 15, 2017 7:59 pm

Engleberg wrote:
Atheus wrote:Why do so many people think that they deserve the privilege of dictating public policy and influencing the State when most are so politically illiterate?
How many people in this thread believe in rights as a concept, as opposed to privileges granted by the State and taken when necessary?


I don't believe that I am in my current position or maturity, for I am not experienced enough to lead a nation.


I don't think he was actually asking you whether you thought you were fit to be a leader. It was a tad rhetorical or just asking generally speaking, it seems, not specifically to you.
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Postby Engleberg » Sun Oct 15, 2017 8:00 pm

Lancaster of Wessex wrote:
Engleberg wrote:
I don't believe that I am in my current position or maturity, for I am not experienced enough to lead a nation.


I don't think he was actually asking you whether you thought you were fit to be a leader. It was a tad rhetorical or just asking generally speaking, it seems, not specifically to you.


Well he stated "Why do so many people think that they deserve the privilege of dictating public policy and influencing the State when most are so politically illiterate?"

This seemed like a question pertaining to the people who are authoritarian as to why they would think they were fit, and so I answered it as such.
Umbrellya wrote:"You are literally the most unashamed German I've ever met."

Wiena wrote:"Engleberg you surely are the most savage guy in the whole game."

West Leas Oros 2 wrote:Anything Left of Center: *exists*
Engle: FUCKING REDS!

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The Emerald Legion
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Postby The Emerald Legion » Sun Oct 15, 2017 8:03 pm

Atheus wrote:Why do so many people think that they deserve the privilege of dictating public policy and influencing the State when most are so politically illiterate?
How many people in this thread believe in rights as a concept, as opposed to privileges granted by the State and taken when necessary?


The issue being, the state exists at the pleasure of those who support it. While it can often get by one the benefits it offers to those who remain loyal, any state that the entirety of it's population is united against will fall. Without question.

Rights are Rights because it's generally recognized that enough violating them leads to state officials getting violently removed from office. Which is just bad for business.
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Postby Kubra » Sun Oct 15, 2017 8:03 pm

Engleberg wrote:
Lancaster of Wessex wrote:
I don't think he was actually asking you whether you thought you were fit to be a leader. It was a tad rhetorical or just asking generally speaking, it seems, not specifically to you.


Well he stated "Why do so many people think that they deserve the privilege of dictating public policy and influencing the State when most are so politically illiterate?"

This seemed like a question pertaining to the people who are authoritarian as to why they would think they were fit, and so I answered it as such.
I interpreted it as the opposite, as in "why enfranchise most people, when most are politically illiterate?"
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Sun Oct 15, 2017 8:07 pm

MERIZoC wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:I'm here, what's the meeting about.

I'm a sort of blanket authoritarian in that I approve of authoritarianism in general, though I prefer religious authoritarianism over the other forms. All government and statehood is based upon force and violence, authoritarian countries just don't hide it. Subjects should be ruled by the government, not the other way around. There must always be rulers to rule, and subjects to obey the rulers.

What if the ruler says everyone must be trans

Then said ruler would objectively be a failure and shouldn't be listened to. You should obey your rulers, but not if they instruct societal suicide.
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