Authoritarians, Assemble!

[The East Marches II]

Do you have any actual examples to support this - or are you simply thinking of abstract dictatorships and democracies in your imagination?

Iran provides a decent model that could be expanded upon and used for various ideologies to hold and maintain power.

Saddam weeps at your treachery.

[Genivaria]

And this is why I don't believe you when you claim that you wouldn't have gay people killed.

I question if he means the monarchy or today's.

I imagine he means today's.

[United Muscovite Nations]

Iran provides a decent model that could be expanded upon and used for various ideologies to hold and maintain power.

And this is why I don't believe you when you claim that you wouldn't have gay people killed.

I'm referring to their extreme system of checks and balances. It creates a leviathan that cannot be shifted ideologically.

[Kubra]

And this is why I don't believe you when you claim that you wouldn't have gay people killed.

I'm referring to their extreme system of checks and balances. It creates a leviathan that cannot be shifted ideologically.

Sure, but considering that one of those systems of checks and balances is an elected parliament and pretty democractic local elections, it seems sort of out of character.
I mean, it's not really manifesto for unshakable autocracy stuff.

[Internationalist Bastard]

You can't tell me what to do

[The Emerald Legion]

And this is why I don't believe you when you claim that you wouldn't have gay people killed.

I'm referring to their extreme system of checks and balances. It creates a leviathan that cannot be shifted ideologically.

And this will bring stagnation, which will further cause their decline.

[United Muscovite Nations]

I'm referring to their extreme system of checks and balances. It creates a leviathan that cannot be shifted ideologically.

Sure, but considering that one of those systems of checks and balances is an elected parliament and pretty democractic local elections, it seems sort of out of character.
I mean, it's not really manifesto for unshakable autocracy stuff.

I never said it was ideal, but it's a good experimental model, as I said.

[Lancaster of Wessex]

Because they can provide a good experimental model, while democracy can only degenerate further.

Ironic that you as a Christian support the very model of tyranny that had our Lord and Savior executed at Calvary.

Was Imperial Rome a good experimental model too? How many in Iran who have spoken out against the Islamist regime been persecuted, arrested, or maybe even executed (edit)? You call this a "good experimental model?"

[Internationalist Bastard]

Sure, but considering that one of those systems of checks and balances is an elected parliament and pretty democractic local elections, it seems sort of out of character.
I mean, it's not really manifesto for unshakable autocracy stuff.

I never said it was ideal, but it's a good experimental model, as I said.

I donlt fully get your support either. It's authoritarian sure, but it's still functions as a republic

[United Muscovite Nations]

I never said it was ideal, but it's a good experimental model, as I said.

I donlt fully get your support either. It's authoritarian sure, but it's still functions as a republic

Imperial rule is ideal, of course, but you don't win ideological struggles without making strange bedfellows.

[The Merchant Republics]

Not an Authoritarian, indeed the precise opposite.

However... I must admit. Having now lived under an authoritarian regime... Eh, I don't have a lot of problems with it. As long as the Authority remains chiefly concerned securing their own authority rather than meddling with it's people, I don't really mind. I honestly feel freer in China most days than I did in Canada.

Liberal democracies tend to become oppressive in their own right people who gain power in democracies almost always want to change things regulate things, affect others lives. I don't care for that. It interferes with my life usually for the negative. In authoritarian states however, the people who take power are usually just interested in their own power and prestige, which is usually for the best. They don't care about the little people and because of that usually the little people get to thrive, and when it comes to them really needing help the authoritarian is usually there because they need to make appearances and justify their power.

[Internationalist Bastard]

I donlt fully get your support either. It's authoritarian sure, but it's still functions as a republic

Imperial rule is ideal, of course, but you don't win ideological struggles without making strange bedfellows.

But why even consider it good then? If you'd rather an Imperial system, wouldn't by definition not prove of any dilution of power?

[Kubra]

Sure, but considering that one of those systems of checks and balances is an elected parliament and pretty democractic local elections, it seems sort of out of character.
I mean, it's not really manifesto for unshakable autocracy stuff.

I never said it was ideal, but it's a good experimental model, as I said.

But why Iran, and not other proper autocracies within the middle east?

[United Muscovite Nations]

I never said it was ideal, but it's a good experimental model, as I said.

But why Iran, and not other autocracies within the middle east?

Because they aren't doing so good.

[Lancaster of Wessex]

I honestly feel freer in China most days than I did in Canada.

Um. Okay. While I can appreciate your point of view, I'll take the option of being able to vote and telling the PM (should I so wished) to go screw himself any day rather than living in a totalitarian regime where any opposition is suppressed. If you don't like having a say over your political future or care for human rights in general, then yes, China's the place for you to be.

[Internationalist Bastard]

But why Iran, and not other autocracies within the middle east?

Because they aren't doing so good.

Funny that

[Lancaster of Wessex]

Because they aren't doing so good.

Funny that

"I only like theocratic dictatorships that do well. The rest are examples not to be used against me."

[United Muscovite Nations]

Funny that

"I only like theocratic dictatorships that do well. The rest are examples not to be used against me."

I don't care if you use them against me. I use real life examples for study and to further improve any vision of a hypothetical future regime.

[The Merchant Republics]

I honestly feel freer in China most days than I did in Canada.

Um. Okay. While I can appreciate your point of view, I'll take the option of being able to vote and telling the PM (should I so wished) to go screw himself any day rather than living in a totalitarian regime where any opposition is suppressed. If you don't like having a say over your political future or care for human rights in general, then yes, China's the place for you to be.

But see here's the thing. How often do you want to vote and tell the PM to go screw himself? How often do you even get the chance if you did want to? Sure you can write a letter. I can write a letter, by all likelihood no one will read yours or mine and we'll be in exactly the same position. I suppose you can go out and protest, and I suppose I can't. But... does that change anything.

For the average person that just wants to live life, as long as there is personal social liberty. I don't really care who is in power.

I think democracy has become a bit of a God to the West. We do things for democracy's sake rather than for whether its actually the best idea.

China is far from the best example, still loads of ways it needs improvement. But Singapore and other more authoritarian leaning nations in Asia seem to have found a good balance.

[Lancaster of Wessex]

"I only like theocratic dictatorships that do well. The rest are examples not to be used against me."

I don't care if you use them against me. I use real life examples for study and to further improve any vision of a hypothetical future regime.

All right, you do that.

Ironic that you as a Christian support the very model of tyranny that had our Lord and Savior executed at Calvary.

Was Imperial Rome a good experimental model too? How many in Iran who have spoken out against the Islamist regime been persecuted, arrested, or maybe even executed (edit)? You call this a "good experimental model?"

Still no reply to this.

[United Muscovite Nations]

Um. Okay. While I can appreciate your point of view, I'll take the option of being able to vote and telling the PM (should I so wished) to go screw himself any day rather than living in a totalitarian regime where any opposition is suppressed. If you don't like having a say over your political future or care for human rights in general, then yes, China's the place for you to be.

But see here's the thing. How often do you want to vote and tell the PM to go screw himself? How often do you even get the chance if you did want to? Sure you can write a letter. I can write a letter, by all likelihood no one will read yours or mine and we'll be in exactly the same position. I suppose you can go out and protest, and I suppose I can't. But... does that change anything.

For the average person that just wants to live life, as long as there is personal social liberty. I don't really care who is in power.

I think democracy has become a bit of a God to the West. We do things for democracy's sake rather than for whether its actually the best idea.

China is far from the best example, still loads of ways it needs improvement. But Singapore and other more authoritarian leaning nations in Asia seem to have found a good balance.

If you come under any suspicion, just say "Just as life and growth depends upon the sun, the revolutionary masses depend upon the Communist Party."

[Kubra]

Um. Okay. While I can appreciate your point of view, I'll take the option of being able to vote and telling the PM (should I so wished) to go screw himself any day rather than living in a totalitarian regime where any opposition is suppressed. If you don't like having a say over your political future or care for human rights in general, then yes, China's the place for you to be.

But see here's the thing. How often do you want to vote and tell the PM to go screw himself? How often do you even get the chance if you did want to? Sure you can write a letter. I can write a letter, by all likelihood no one will read yours or mine and we'll be in exactly the same position. I suppose you can go out and protest, and I suppose I can't. But... does that change anything.

For the average person that just wants to live life, as long as there is personal social liberty. I don't really care who is in power.

I think democracy has become a bit of a God to the West. We do things for democracy's sake rather than for whether its actually the best idea.

China is far from the best example, still loads of ways it needs improvement. But Singapore and other more authoritarian leaning nations in Asia seem to have found a good balance.

So you prefer the option of shittalking the PM being greyed out by the threat of a libel suit or sudden arrest?

[Kubra]

But see here's the thing. How often do you want to vote and tell the PM to go screw himself? How often do you even get the chance if you did want to? Sure you can write a letter. I can write a letter, by all likelihood no one will read yours or mine and we'll be in exactly the same position. I suppose you can go out and protest, and I suppose I can't. But... does that change anything.

For the average person that just wants to live life, as long as there is personal social liberty. I don't really care who is in power.

I think democracy has become a bit of a God to the West. We do things for democracy's sake rather than for whether its actually the best idea.

China is far from the best example, still loads of ways it needs improvement. But Singapore and other more authoritarian leaning nations in Asia seem to have found a good balance.

If you come under any suspicion, just say "Just as life and growth depends upon the sun, the revolutionary masses depend upon the Communist Party."

spontaneously break out into "without the communist party there would be no new china"

[Lancaster of Wessex]

Um. Okay. While I can appreciate your point of view, I'll take the option of being able to vote and telling the PM (should I so wished) to go screw himself any day rather than living in a totalitarian regime where any opposition is suppressed. If you don't like having a say over your political future or care for human rights in general, then yes, China's the place for you to be.

But see here's the thing. How often do you want to vote and tell the PM to go screw himself? How often do you even get the chance if you did want to? Sure you can write a letter. I can write a letter, by all likelihood no one will read yours or mine and we'll be in exactly the same position. I suppose you can go out and protest, and I suppose I can't. But... does that change anything.

For the average person that just wants to live life, as long as there is personal social liberty. I don't really care who is in power.

I think democracy has become a bit of a God to the West. We do things for democracy's sake rather than for whether its actually the best idea.

China is far from the best example, still loads of ways it needs improvement. But Singapore and other more authoritarian leaning nations in Asia seem to have found a good balance.

And that's exactly the kind of person dictatorships want: good obedient people, who so long as they can go and dance, or drink, or party, or buy their iPhone, and not question a word about how the entire country is being run, that's just fine by them.

I do care about how my country is run. Social freedom is just a bribe given by dictators to ensure political stability. I don't want to be bribed.

And yeah, you can write a letter, but can you write a letter saying: "Please allow free and transparent elections?" Nope. If you did...bye bye to you.

[The Merchant Republics]

But see here's the thing. How often do you want to vote and tell the PM to go screw himself? How often do you even get the chance if you did want to? Sure you can write a letter. I can write a letter, by all likelihood no one will read yours or mine and we'll be in exactly the same position. I suppose you can go out and protest, and I suppose I can't. But... does that change anything.

For the average person that just wants to live life, as long as there is personal social liberty. I don't really care who is in power.

I think democracy has become a bit of a God to the West. We do things for democracy's sake rather than for whether its actually the best idea.

China is far from the best example, still loads of ways it needs improvement. But Singapore and other more authoritarian leaning nations in Asia seem to have found a good balance.

If you come under any suspicion, just say "Just as life and growth depends upon the sun, the revolutionary masses depend upon the Communist Party."

Haha, yes. I also have ready to go speeches on why Taiwan is historically Chinese and should submit to the rightful Chinese government's authority and why I also think Japan was a total dick in the 20th century.