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Should the US build a wall or land on Mars?

Border Wall!
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Mars!
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I'm not murican so Border Wall
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I'm not murican so Mars!
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Postby Medwedian Democratic Federation » Mon Oct 16, 2017 9:11 am

I believe in the natural division of humanity into socioeconomic classes and think that social mobility is a false dream. There will always be people living in mansions and those living on the street. To combat overpopulation, colonization of other planets or the construction of space stations will be needed. I am a proponent of a model which allows the wealthy to stay on Earth and sending the poor into space.

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Postby Grenartia » Mon Oct 16, 2017 11:11 am

Medwedian Democratic Federation wrote:I believe in the natural division of humanity into socioeconomic classes and think that social mobility is a false dream. There will always be people living in mansions and those living on the street. To combat overpopulation, colonization of other planets or the construction of space stations will be needed. I am a proponent of a model which allows the wealthy to stay on Earth and sending the poor into space.


Yeah, fuck that noise. Then you just have the poor being enslaved in space.

Erase the wealth of the rich, use it to benefit the poor, let the workers seize the means of production, and spread all of humanity throughout the stars.
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Postby Libertarian Districts » Mon Oct 16, 2017 11:15 am

We'll right now we do need a border wall to stop the flow of guns and drugs into the country. However, I would also love to see us get to mars or build a moon base.
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Postby Vassenor » Mon Oct 16, 2017 11:17 am

Libertarian Districts wrote:We'll right now we do need a border wall to stop the flow of guns and drugs into the country. However, I would also love to see us get to mars or build a moon base.


So how does a wall stop drugs being smuggled across the gulf?
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Postby Neutraligon » Mon Oct 16, 2017 11:18 am

Libertarian Districts wrote:We'll right now we do need a border wall to stop the flow of guns and drugs into the country. However, I would also love to see us get to mars or build a moon base.

What percentage of guns and drugs pass through that part of the border?
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Postby Grenartia » Mon Oct 16, 2017 11:19 am

Neutraligon wrote:
Libertarian Districts wrote:We'll right now we do need a border wall to stop the flow of guns and drugs into the country. However, I would also love to see us get to mars or build a moon base.

What percentage of guns and drugs pass through that part of the border?


Further question. What will a wall do to stop those guns and drugs?
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Postby Libertarian Districts » Mon Oct 16, 2017 11:20 am

Vassenor wrote:
Libertarian Districts wrote:We'll right now we do need a border wall to stop the flow of guns and drugs into the country. However, I would also love to see us get to mars or build a moon base.


So how does a wall stop drugs being smuggled across the gulf?


From the gulf I'm not certain but it will help on the border
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Postby Libertarian Districts » Mon Oct 16, 2017 11:26 am

Grenartia wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:What percentage of guns and drugs pass through that part of the border?


Further question. What will a wall do to stop those guns and drugs?


2,000 guns (according to insightcrime.org) and $64B in drugs (according to fox, so don't quote me on that) cross the border daily.

And with a physical barrier in the way I'd imagine it would be tougher to get stuff through the wall
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Postby Vassenor » Mon Oct 16, 2017 11:26 am

Libertarian Districts wrote:
Grenartia wrote:
Further question. What will a wall do to stop those guns and drugs?


2,000 guns (according to insightcrime.org) and $64B in drugs (according to fox, so don't quote me on that) cross the border daily.

And with a physical barrier in the way I'd imagine it would be tougher to get stuff through the wall


In which case they'd just switch to transporting them across the sea.
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Postby Libertarian Districts » Mon Oct 16, 2017 11:28 am

Vassenor wrote:
Libertarian Districts wrote:
2,000 guns (according to insightcrime.org) and $64B in drugs (according to fox, so don't quote me on that) cross the border daily.

And with a physical barrier in the way I'd imagine it would be tougher to get stuff through the wall


In which case they'd just switch to transporting them across the sea.


Perhaps we can bring back the coast guard then?
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Postby Neutraligon » Mon Oct 16, 2017 1:50 pm

Libertarian Districts wrote:
Grenartia wrote:
Further question. What will a wall do to stop those guns and drugs?


2,000 guns (according to insightcrime.org) and $64B in drugs (according to fox, so don't quote me on that) cross the border daily.

And with a physical barrier in the way I'd imagine it would be tougher to get stuff through the wall

Crossing which border. the border with mexico, the one that exists by coming by sea instead of land?
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Postby Gagium » Mon Oct 16, 2017 2:26 pm

WALL.
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Postby Vassenor » Mon Oct 16, 2017 2:37 pm

Gagium wrote:WALL.


Why?
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Postby Vassenor » Mon Oct 16, 2017 2:37 pm

Libertarian Districts wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
In which case they'd just switch to transporting them across the sea.


Perhaps we can bring back the coast guard then?


The Gulf of Mexico and Caribbean Sea is a big place.
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Postby Grenartia » Mon Oct 16, 2017 9:13 pm

Libertarian Districts wrote:
Grenartia wrote:
Further question. What will a wall do to stop those guns and drugs?


2,000 guns (according to insightcrime.org) and $64B in drugs (according to fox, so don't quote me on that) cross the border daily.

And with a physical barrier in the way I'd imagine it would be tougher to get stuff through the wall


They'd just start smuggling it in through cars and trucks and shit. Or drones.
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Postby Grenartia » Mon Oct 16, 2017 9:15 pm

Vassenor wrote:
Libertarian Districts wrote:
Perhaps we can bring back the coast guard then?


The Gulf of Mexico and Caribbean Sea is a big place.


inb4 SEAWALL
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Postby Zanera » Mon Oct 16, 2017 9:28 pm

Grenartia wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
The Gulf of Mexico and Caribbean Sea is a big place.


inb4 SEAWALL


We can make it out of coral and make it all pretty-like.

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Postby Anarcho capitalist utopia » Mon Oct 16, 2017 9:58 pm

Border wall all the way.

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Postby Grenartia » Tue Oct 17, 2017 12:18 am

Anarcho capitalist utopia wrote:Border wall all the way.


You want to spend billions of dollars on something that can be defeated by a bunch of unskilled workers with cheap shovels. Are you an actual ancap, or some kind of parody? Because if you're the former, you obviously don't know nearly as much about economics as most ancaps claim to.
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Postby Thermodolia » Tue Oct 17, 2017 12:25 am

Grenartia wrote:
Anarcho capitalist utopia wrote:Border wall all the way.


You want to spend billions of dollars on something that can be defeated by a bunch of unskilled workers with cheap shovels. Are you an actual ancap, or some kind of parody? Because if you're the former, you obviously don't know nearly as much about economics as most ancaps claim to.

If we are going to spend billions let's spend billions on something actually worthwhile like a mission to mars, or see if we can refine gas from the gas giants into something useful
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Postby The Empire of Pretantia » Tue Oct 17, 2017 12:32 am

How about we leave both to the free market?

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Postby Thermodolia » Tue Oct 17, 2017 12:35 am

The Empire of Pretantia wrote:How about we leave both to the free market?

It just works!

The free market would build the wall out of cardboard just so they could keep rebuilding it and keep the drug money flowing
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Postby Dooom35796821595 » Tue Oct 17, 2017 12:41 am

The Empire of Pretantia wrote:How about we leave both to the free market?

It just works!


The free market is the biggest lie since GLaDOS promised us cake.
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Postby Grenartia » Tue Oct 17, 2017 1:20 am

Thermodolia wrote:
Grenartia wrote:
You want to spend billions of dollars on something that can be defeated by a bunch of unskilled workers with cheap shovels. Are you an actual ancap, or some kind of parody? Because if you're the former, you obviously don't know nearly as much about economics as most ancaps claim to.

If we are going to spend billions let's spend billions on something actually worthwhile like a mission to mars, or see if we can refine gas from the gas giants into something useful


We already know what makes up the atmospheres of the gas giants, and its nothing super exotic (discounting the liquid metallic hydrogen at their cores, that we can't hope to reach anytime soon). Its basically just hydrogen, helium, nitrogen, and trace amounts of ammonia, water vapor, methane (and various other assorted hydrocarbons), among other things that aren't especially notable. Deuterium is likely something that'll be important by the end of the century, but that's only because of nuclear fusion, which we haven't gotten the hang of (except in thermonuclear weapons, but something tells me most of us don't want more of those).

Saturn is the same song and dance as Jupiter.

Uranus and Neptune are more accurately classified as ice giants, but for the sake of argument, I'll include them as well, and its basically the same as Jupiter and Saturn, except colder, and with less hydrogen and helium, and more of that other shit.

So, unless you have a working fusion reactor, there's not really anything worth making the trip out there to get.

But there is something out there that IS worth the trip (at least, it will be soon): Rare Earth Metals. And, since they're inside asteroids (and thus, closer to Earth), that means its cheaper to get them than going all the way out to Jupiter for deuterium.
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