Boys Scouts to start letting girls join

[The Corparation]

Try 20 years. And if its a small program than that would imply that even a small increase would create a visible trend.

Programs only became co-ed two years ago.

No they didn't. BSA's Venture program has been coed since its creation in 1998.

t

Hell they don't even need to go down the road to the girl scout camps. Boy Scout camps usually have coed staff. Shockingly such camps are not teen pregnancy factories.

That most adults don't have sex with children is a surprise? Now, as to children of the same age....

The bulk of BSA camp staff, both girls and boys, are in the 16-20 age range.


EDIT: Oh and also BSA summer camps routinely offer programs to coed Venture Crews and regular BSA Troops at the same time with no issue.

[New haven america]

1. False, seeing as how the only minor age groups in there are 13/14-17, they're actually largely adult (18-21 is higher by a year). Math, can you use it?

1.13, 14, 15, 16, 17 = 5

18, 19, 20, 21 = 4

Seems like you're the one having trouble with math there, bud. Thanks for proving my point for me!

2. Because as a few people have stated before, there are multiple examples of scouts doing co-ed activities or have GSA and BSA camps near each other, and there haven't really been any examples of a rise in pregnancy rates.

2.And no one has yet been able to answer if the camps are inhabited at the same time, nor how close the average distance between the two is. There's also the issue of enforce cabin/tent times and bed checks to counter sneaking out, which won't exist in co-ed dorming events.

1. Going by the aforementioned Venture Scouts, 14-17 (So equal or greater than, depending on the group). I see you only like using facts when you think it can help you.
2. And you have yet to give proof that pregnancy rates would spike. How typical.

[Internationalist Bastard]

Programs only became co-ed two years ago.

No they didn't. BSA's Venture program has been coed since its creation in 1998.

t

That most adults don't have sex with children is a surprise? Now, as to children of the same age....

The bulk of BSA camp staff, both girls and boys, are in the 16-20 age range.

Isn't sea scouts co ed, and that all focuses on boats

[Albrenia]

Actually people have confirmed the camps are inhabited at the same time and they do activities together sometimes. The distance obviously varies from location to location, with some saying a few are right next to each other.

[Oil exporting People]

No they didn't. BSA's Venture program has been coed since its creation in 1998.

Citation please.

The bulk of BSA camp staff, both girls and boys, are in the 16-20 age range.

Yeah, not buying 16 years old are left completely in charge of other 16 year olds. Citation please.

[Charellia]

1. False, seeing as how the only minor age groups in there are 13/14-17, they're actually largely adult (18-21 is higher by a year). Math, can you use it?

13, 14, 15, 16, 17 = 5

18, 19, 20, 21 = 4

Seems like you're the one having trouble with math there, bud. Thanks for proving my point for me!

EDIT: This also doesn't address the percentages. How many thousands are 18 and how many thousands are 13, for example.

2. Because as a few people have stated before, there are multiple examples of scouts doing co-ed activities or have GSA and BSA camps near each other, and there haven't really been any examples of a rise in pregnancy rates.

And no one has yet been able to answer if the camps are inhabited at the same time, nor how close the average distance between the two is. There's also the issue of enforced cabin/tent times and bed checks to counter sneaking out, which won't exist in co-ed dorming events.

Desegregating the organization doesn't mean that boys and girls will have to share tents/dorms. All of the aforementioned enforcement methods would still work.

[Oil exporting People]

1. Going by the aforementioned Venture Scouts, 14-17 (So equal or greater than, depending on the group). I see you only like using facts when you think it can help you.

14-17 is underage, fam.

2. And you have yet to give proof that pregnancy rates would spike. How typical.

Putting boys and girls in positions were they can engage in sexual behavior, without ready access to birth control, tends to do such. Can you cite something that says pregnancy rates won't spike?

[Salandriagado]

1. False, seeing as how the only minor age groups in there are 13/14-17, they're actually largely adult (18-21 is higher by a year). Math, can you use it?

13, 14, 15, 16, 17 = 5

18, 19, 20, 21 = 4

Seems like you're the one having trouble with math there, bud. Thanks for proving my point for me!

EDIT: This also doesn't address the percentages. How many thousands are 18 and how many thousands are 13, for example.

2. Because as a few people have stated before, there are multiple examples of scouts doing co-ed activities or have GSA and BSA camps near each other, and there haven't really been any examples of a rise in pregnancy rates.

And no one has yet been able to answer if the camps are inhabited at the same time, nor how close the average distance between the two is.

I have answered those questions. You ignored it.

There's also the issue of enforced cabin/tent times and bed checks to counter sneaking out, which won't exist in co-ed dorming events.

Yeah, they don't happen now either.

[Oil exporting People]

Yeah, they don't happen now either.

What proof do you offer?

[Salandriagado]

No they didn't. BSA's Venture program has been coed since its creation in 1998.

Citation please.

The bulk of BSA camp staff, both girls and boys, are in the 16-20 age range.

Yeah, not buying 16 years old are left completely in charge of other 16 year olds. Citation please.

I've got a bunch of Scouts on camp this weekend. The oldest person involved in the arrangement is 13 (and female, incidentally). My role has been limited to signing off their arrangements as legal and lending them a key to the stores to grab some tents, and other than when they pay for the campsite at the end, that's the only adult involvement there will be in the camp.

[Charellia]

Yeah, they don't happen now either.

What proof do you offer?

Why is it that everybody except you has to offer proof?

[Salandriagado]

Yeah, they don't happen now either.

What proof do you offer?

I'm a Scout leader. I don't do them, and I've never heard of anybody doing them. If somebody did do them, I'd report them to their line manager for horribly violating the privacy of their Scouts.

[Oil exporting People]

I've got a bunch of Scouts on camp this weekend. The oldest person involved in the arrangement is 13 (and female, incidentally). My role has been limited to signing off their arrangements as legal and lending them a key to the stores to grab some tents, and other than when they pay for the campsite at the end, that's the only adult involvement there will be in the camp.

> Anecdotal evidence

Please cite some official statistics there, fam.

[Salandriagado]

1. Going by the aforementioned Venture Scouts, 14-17 (So equal or greater than, depending on the group). I see you only like using facts when you think it can help you.

14-17 is underage, fam.

2. And you have yet to give proof that pregnancy rates would spike. How typical.

Putting boys and girls in positions were they can engage in sexual behavior, without ready access to birth control, tends to do such. Can you cite something that says pregnancy rates won't spike?

The fact that it didn't when other countries did it?

[Salandriagado]

I've got a bunch of Scouts on camp this weekend. The oldest person involved in the arrangement is 13 (and female, incidentally). My role has been limited to signing off their arrangements as legal and lending them a key to the stores to grab some tents, and other than when they pay for the campsite at the end, that's the only adult involvement there will be in the camp.

> Anecdotal evidence

Please cite some official statistics there, fam.

Stop pretending to be stupid. You were claiming that something never happened. I gave you proof that it does. Alternatively, note that there exists a national system in place to allow for such events to take place, and that it is used all the fucking time, and strongly encouraged to be used as much as possible.

[Oil exporting People]

Why is it that everybody except you has to offer proof?

For one, you've clearly not bothered to read anything in this thread. On the other hand, because I'm saying something will happen in the future, kinda hard to prove something that hasn't happened yet, even ignoring the first point.

[Salandriagado]

Why is it that everybody except you has to offer proof?

For one, you've clearly not bothered to read anything in this thread. On the other hand, because I'm saying something will happen in the future, kinda hard to prove something that hasn't happened yet, even ignoring the first point.

Except that exactly the same thing has already happened in the UK. So presumably, you can find evidence of a massive spike in the teenage pregnancy rate at that point?

[The Corparation]

No they didn't. BSA's Venture program has been coed since its creation in 1998.

Citation please.

The BSA allowed young women ages 14–20 to join special-interest Explorer posts beginning in 1969. Many posts became co-ed. The focus on career exploration was increased and, as the years progressed, Exploring focused more on career exploration posts, though outdoor and sports-oriented Posts continued to thrive.

Posts that primarily consisted of seminars at high school with guest speakers were designated as Career Awareness Explorer posts in the early 1980s. This was the fastest growing segment of Exploring and the BSA during the 1980s. These posts were realigned into the new Learning for Life subsidiary in 1991, and the posts were then designated as High School Career Awareness groups and the youth were no longer considered to be Explorers.

The Exploring program was reorganized and split into two program categories in 1998. All the career-oriented posts were moved to Learning for Life under the name Exploring, while the rest (including outdoor-oriented posts) became the new Venturing program.

source
Explorers went cooed from 1969 (Earlier than I though.) Venturing split from Explorers in 1998. Since explorers was cooed at the time, the newly created Venture Scouts were also coed.

The bulk of BSA camp staff, both girls and boys, are in the 16-20 age range.

Yeah, not buying 16 years old are left completely in charge of other 16 year olds. Citation please.

Source 6 years on Camp Staff. 10 years of going to other summer camps as a camper. Talking to people from dozens of other camps at BSA National Camp School. Granted the 14-16 year olds are not generally in complete charge, there's usually an 18-21 year old responsible for the area nearby but the 14-16 year old is the one responsible for teaching classes.

I'd give a better source than my experience but I don't think National tracks the average age of counselors.

[Oil exporting People]

Stop pretending to be stupid. You were claiming that something never happened. I gave you proof that it does. Alternatively, note that there exists a national system in place to allow for such events to take place, and that it is used all the fucking time, and strongly encouraged to be used as much as possible.

No, you as a random person on the internet claimed your alleged personal experiences as an affiliate to the Scout program means you're right. Personal testimony, especially since we have no way to verify it, is not evidence of sufficient character to validate your point. Hence, anecdotal.

[Senkaku]

Why is it that everybody except you has to offer proof?

For one, you've clearly not bothered to read anything in this thread. On the other hand, because I'm saying something will happen in the future, kinda hard to prove something that hasn't happened yet, even ignoring the first point.

"Pregnancy rates will rise if this happens"
"Got stats to support that?"
"No, got stats to support that they WON'T?"

Burden of proof, my dude

[The East Marches II]

For one, you've clearly not bothered to read anything in this thread. On the other hand, because I'm saying something will happen in the future, kinda hard to prove something that hasn't happened yet, even ignoring the first point.

"Pregnancy rates will rise if this happens"
"Got stats to support that?"
"No, got stats to support that they WON'T?"

Burden of proof, my dude

t. Guy who hates on good Midwesterners for lack of bc causing pregnancy but won't apply it here

[Oil exporting People]

The Exploring program was reorganized and split into two program categories in 1998. All the career-oriented posts were moved to Learning for Life under the name Exploring, while the rest (including outdoor-oriented posts) became the new Venturing program.

Gonna need something a bit more credible than a wikipedia link, which doesn't even say they went co-ed then or even all of them, mind you.

Source 6 years on Camp Staff.

Not a source.

[Salandriagado]

Stop pretending to be stupid. You were claiming that something never happened. I gave you proof that it does. Alternatively, note that there exists a national system in place to allow for such events to take place, and that it is used all the fucking time, and strongly encouraged to be used as much as possible.

No, you as a random person on the internet claimed your alleged personal experiences as an affiliate to the Scout program means you're right. Personal testimony, especially since we have no way to verify it, is not evidence of sufficient character to validate your point. Hence, anecdotal.

Relevant paperwork.

Notice that there exists a framework specifically to allow events to take place without adult involvement. Hell, until relatively recently, there were badges that required attendance at such events.

[Oil exporting People]

"Pregnancy rates will rise if this happens"
"Got stats to support that?"
"No, got stats to support that they WON'T?"

Burden of proof, my dude

By all means, do explain to me how young people don't have sex and what happens when birth control isn't available when they do.

[Charellia]

Why is it that everybody except you has to offer proof?

For one, you've clearly not bothered to read anything in this thread. On the other hand, because I'm saying something will happen in the future, kinda hard to prove something that hasn't happened yet, even ignoring the first point.

It is also equally impossible to prove that something won't happen. You're just speculating without evidence and then demanding everybody else prove that you're wrong.