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Thermodolia wrote:

Kannap wrote:
GSA and BSA
sitting in a tree
K-I-S-S-I-N-G

*BLAM!* There will be no kissing here

Gotta save room for Jesus?

Kannap wrote:

Thermodolia wrote:*BLAM!* There will be no kissing here

Gotta save room for Jesus?

No I just don't want any fucked up offspring

IT FEMMINISM! SJW'S! REGRESSIVE LIBERALS! THEIR TRYING TO MAKE EVERYTHING COMMUNIST!!!

KILL THEM ALL!!! AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thermodolia wrote:

Kannap wrote:
Gotta save room for Jesus?

No I just don't want any fucked up offspring

Where is the fun in that?

As someone who helps out at a Scout Group in the UK, I never understood the issue here. I help out with the 8-to-10 section, and about a third of our group are girls. I see no problem with that, and thus I never got why Americans have issues with it.

Thermodolia wrote:

Salandriagado wrote:
Yeah, no, that wasn't the point at all. Try reading my posts.

Here since you can't seem to understand: I don't give a flying donkey fuck. I don't care if it's redundant, it works. Redundancy works pretty nice and happens to give us a lot of choice.

Maybe you should read mine sometime?

It's stupid and gives absolutely no benefits, and you can have strictly more choice without it.

Elwher wrote:All I can say is the camp outs would have been a lot more interesting if there were girls there. Just Sayin'.

Nah. "In a tent, on a narrow roll-mat with six other people" is the very last place where anything is going to happen.

Salandriagado wrote:

Thermodolia wrote:Here since you can't seem to understand: I don't give a flying donkey fuck. I don't care if it's redundant, it works. Redundancy works pretty nice and happens to give us a lot of choice.

Maybe you should read mine sometime?

It's stupid and gives absolutely no benefits, and you can have strictly more choice without it.

Read my lips: "I. Don't. Give. A. Fuck." I don't care if you think it's stupid, it works quite fine here.

Thermodolia wrote:

Pax Nerdvana wrote:Boy Scouts is a brotherhood, more or less. It's NOT gay unless you make it that way.

Everything is gay

This is getting sigged.

Thermodolia wrote:

Salandriagado wrote:
It's stupid and gives absolutely no benefits, and you can have strictly more choice without it.

Read my lips: "I. Don't. Give. A. Fuck." I don't care if you think it's stupid, it works quite fine here.

Kindly name one, just fucking one, benefit it has to anybody ever in any fucking way.

Galloism wrote:

Ifreann wrote:Boys are contagious?

Masculinity is contagious. You will be assimilated.

They may have already gotten to me.

(Eagle Scout here) I'm sure this has been reiterated a hundred times by now but it kinda makes sense. Girl Scouts are miles behind the Boy Scouts as far as activities and prestige. I have a friend who did GSA and eventually quit because she was frustrated that her troop (or whatever they're called in GS) never actually did anything.

Of course, not all troops are equal so I'm sure there's plenty of Boy Scout troops which are equally inactive, but for the most part I'd say this would be a good option for girls who want something more than what your average Girl Scouts organization offers.

Also don't forget that Venture Scouting exists, which is a co-ed version of BSA which ranges from ages 14-21. Honestly it's quite similar to the Boy Scouts except obviously you can stay in it longer, and they focus more on doing bigger activities and there's not really a ranking up aspect to it as far as I could see. Really having girls in the Boy Scouts would sort of be like making them more like Venture crews. Again, I think this would be a great opportunity for girls who want to have the prestige and ranking aspect that BSA offers.

Although this will probably result in about a million more safety flyers and handouts and paperwork due to the co-ed nature if this becomes a full-on thing. Also the naming situation is totally ridiculous.

Salandriagado wrote:

Thermodolia wrote:Read my lips: "I. Don't. Give. A. Fuck." I don't care if you think it's stupid, it works quite fine here.

Kindly name one, just fucking one, benefit it has to anybody ever in any fucking way.

I gives everyone more choice. I already gave it just because you don't like isn't my problem

Ifreann wrote:

Galloism wrote:Masculinity is contagious. You will be assimilated.

They may have already gotten to me.

If you need to tell everyone about your gains at the gym, you may have already been infected with The Bro Virus

Thermodolia wrote:

Salandriagado wrote:
Kindly name one, just fucking one, benefit it has to anybody ever in any fucking way.

I gives everyone more choice. I already gave it just because you don't like isn't my problem

Again: it gives strictly less choice. You have exactly four options:

BSA
Venture Scouts
Explorer Scouts
Sea Scouts


With my proposal, you have all of those, and whatever the hell mixture of them you like. That is: vastly more choice.



And, incidentally, since you're claiming that this system works, I'd like to ask which of the above you are actually actively involved with, because everybody that I've spoken to who is actually involved with it thinks that the distinction is stupid.

Salandriagado wrote:

Thermodolia wrote:I gives everyone more choice. I already gave it just because you don't like isn't my problem

Again: it gives strictly less choice. You have exactly four options:

BSA
Venture Scouts
Explorer Scouts
Sea Scouts


With my proposal, you have all of those, and whatever the hell mixture of them you like. That is: vastly more choice.



And, incidentally, since you're claiming that this system works, I'd like to ask which of the above you are actually actively involved with, because everybody that I've spoken to who is actually involved with it thinks that the distinction is stupid.

Ive been involved with both BSA and Venture.

Also your proposal doesn't give you any choice

Beaver Scouts 6-8
Cub Scouts 8-10.5
Scouts 10.5-14
Explorer Scouts 14-18
Scout Network 18-25

For a 14 year old kid you have only have one choice, maybe two. While with the BSA you have four. And last time I checked 4 is more than 2.

Also we did plenty of water activities in the BSA. The Sea Scouts are more about sailing and shit, not general water activities

Thermodolia wrote:

Salandriagado wrote:
Again: it gives strictly less choice. You have exactly four options:

BSA
Venture Scouts
Explorer Scouts
Sea Scouts


With my proposal, you have all of those, and whatever the hell mixture of them you like. That is: vastly more choice.



And, incidentally, since you're claiming that this system works, I'd like to ask which of the above you are actually actively involved with, because everybody that I've spoken to who is actually involved with it thinks that the distinction is stupid.

Ive been involved with both BSA and Venture.

As a leader?

Also your proposal doesn't give you any choice

Beaver Scouts 6-8
Cub Scouts 8-10.5
Scouts 10.5-14
Explorer Scouts 14-18
Scout Network 18-25

For a 14 year old kid you have only have one choice, maybe two. While with the BSA you have four. And last time I checked 4 is more than 2.

Also we did plenty of water activities in the BSA. The Sea Scouts are more about sailing and shit, not general water activities

Giving it more labels is not more choices. With my option, you can do whatever the fuck mixture of the four US options you like, including any single one of them. Last time I checked, "basically infinite" is more than 4.

Salandriagado wrote:Giving it more labels is not more choices. With my option, you can do whatever the fuck mixture of the four US options you like, including any single one of them. Last time I checked, "basically infinite" is more than 4.

Does this principle apply to organizations in general?

Galloism wrote:

Salandriagado wrote:Giving it more labels is not more choices. With my option, you can do whatever the fuck mixture of the four US options you like, including any single one of them. Last time I checked, "basically infinite" is more than 4.

Does this principle apply to organizations in general?

Could you clarify the question, please?

Salandriagado wrote:

Thermodolia wrote:Ive been involved with both BSA and Venture.

As a leader?

As a leader and as a scout.

Also your proposal doesn't give you any choice



For a 14 year old kid you have only have one choice, maybe two. While with the BSA you have four. And last time I checked 4 is more than 2.

Also we did plenty of water activities in the BSA. The Sea Scouts are more about sailing and shit, not general water activities

Giving it more labels is not more choices.

They are four different options.

With my option, you can do whatever the fuck mixture of the four US options you like, including any single one of them. Last time I checked, "basically infinite" is more than 4.

No you can't, unless you fucked up attempting to explain it.

Because it seems to me that you have an age limit on each. There is no way for a 15 year old kid to do both Scouts and Explorer Scouts according to your plan:

Beaver Scouts 6-8
Cub Scouts 8-10.5
Scouts 10.5-14
Explorer Scouts 14-18
Scout Network 18-25

Not sure what they hope to accomplish or what the benefit is beyond trolling traditionalists.

Arvanon and Vortes wrote:

Major-Tom wrote:I hated the Boy Scouts, anyways.

Ditto. Not sure why anyone, boy or girl, would like to join it.

Gives you an appreciation and experience of nature in a social environment, among other things.

Thermodolia wrote:

Salandriagado wrote:
As a leader?

As a leader and as a scout.

Giving it more labels is not more choices.

They are four different options.

With my option, you can do whatever the fuck mixture of the four US options you like, including any single one of them. Last time I checked, "basically infinite" is more than 4.

No you can't, unless you fucked up attempting to explain it.

Because it seems to me that you have an age limit on each. There is no way for a 15 year old kid to do both Scouts and Explorer Scouts according to your plan:

Ignore the names: they do not match the current US names. These are just names for age categories (they are the current UK ones), each of which contains all of the above options, and more.

Salandriagado wrote:

Elwher wrote:All I can say is the camp outs would have been a lot more interesting if there were girls there. Just Sayin'.

Nah. "In a tent, on a narrow roll-mat with six other people" is the very last place where anything is going to happen.

First, at least in my troop we generally had two person tents, which does allow for possibilities. Second, there are 24 hours in a day and 6 to 8 of them were spent in the tents. As to the rest, there can be quite a bit of privacy in the woods.

Elwher wrote:

Salandriagado wrote:
Nah. "In a tent, on a narrow roll-mat with six other people" is the very last place where anything is going to happen.

First, at least in my troop we generally had two person tents, which does allow for possibilities. Second, there are 24 hours in a day and 6 to 8 of them were spent in the tents. As to the rest, there can be quite a bit of privacy in the woods.

"Boy Scouts of America: Explore the great outdoors and each other."

Philjia wrote:

Kannap wrote:
Or the Girl Scouts just plowing themselves into the ground faster than the stock market in 1929.

If they do, it's their own fault, since the mixed gender Scouts and girls only Guides happily coexist in the UK.

Probably because the Guides actually do stuff.