Statue Removal Megathread: Is History In Danger or What?

[Eisen Wolf Reich]

Why are people mad? Sure he was racist, but so were most people at that time. He was overall a great governor.

His accomplishments:

1. Draining the everglades to create fertile farmland for Florida. (then considered useless swamp, as people did not understand its ecology or relation to water table and habitat.)

I don't know if it's much of an accomplishment to damage the environment for economic gain. That sounds pretty shit, actually.

We've been doing it for hundreds of years already XD

no but seriously, I will edit it.

Everyone then thought it was a good idea to do it, because they didn't know anything about evironmental destruction, or the importance of the land. They honestly just saw it was useless swamp.

[Proctopeo]

Exactly, they had no idea, so in the perspective of that time period, it was a great idea. Though now in hind-sight its a terrible idea. I mean even Roosevelt backed his idea, and he was a conservationist.

Well... hind-sight is 20/20.

We best not be blinded by our hindsight.

[United States of Red Dawn]

Put. It. In. A. Museum.


Done. Both sides are happy.

At least you tried.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mY0mQUWO9_Q

That's exactly the point. The Left will not be happy until every bit of history before, I guess, this century is erased. They're dangerous lunatics and the number one reason you're seeing such a rise in the Right. Equal and opposite reaction.

[TURTLESHROOM II]

Removing his statue is not "erasing him from history", it is just denying him public honor. His statue is being removed precisely because of history.

Yes, because that history triggers weak men who cannot tolerate the presence of statues to anything they do not support. I'm not a racist, but I understand that a governor of Florida who hasn't directly committed mass human atrocities is worth preserving.

The CSA thing is even worse: there are still millions of people directly descended from CSA veterans and a lifetime of defense of the CSA, and an entire other side of the Civil War that they want to completely purge from all public record.
It's not just the statues: the other side want to whitewash history and paint the CSA as a cartoon villian, and largely, they have succeeded. The Civil War pitted two slave states against each other, and the reason the North even attacked was because the South has the export money (funding the government) and all the ports. There was nothing noble about the Northern casus belli.

There are people who literally cannot tolerate the fact that there were two sides on the Civil War, and anything referencing the "bad guys" is to be purged because it hurts feelings of freemen who have never faced chattel slavery, Jim Crow, or any mistreatment deliberately and openly enforced by the state in any capacity.

[Bearstin]

I agree this is too far. I can see where people are coming from with the Confederate statues but this is ridiculous.

[Torrocca]

Why is it, nowadays, anyone who ever says, "racism is bad," is being a politically correct idiot? Never mind the fact that someone being politically correct is just trying to be respectful.

Tact is often the witholding of truth. We should not be forced to respect the feelings of people too weak to look at other opinions and dissenting concepts. I do not care about the opinions of strangers, and you should not either. If something offends them, they can leave.

Generally speaking, if something offends someone, and that something is coming from your mouth, and you're not being a better person and saying, "my apologies, I didn't mean to say or do something that could be perceived as rude," then you're probably in the wrong.

But, y'know, I guess offering the basic level of respect a person should get is too much nowadays.

As a Christian, that is what I have always been told in the face of Taking the Lord's Name In Vain and defacement of religious symbols. It's what I am told when I see homosexual crap on television, and it's what I am told when porn is being distributed. Hold them to that same standard.

So... homosexuals, people who view porn, and people who dislike religion should leave?

How vain.

Broward was a racist. The people of Broward County want his statue down, so down with his statue.

Taking down something because it offends some weak, pathetic peoples' feelings is among the absolute worst possible consequences of democracy. There is a reason the Founding Fathers were so afraid of tryanny-by-majority.

Ah, yes, those Uppity Negroes^TM asking to receive the same respect anyone else should be given is being weak and pathetic, especially in regards to when they wish to remove a symbol espousing hatred against them. Silly me.

[TURTLESHROOM II]

That's exactly the point. The Left will not be happy until every bit of history before, I guess, this century is erased. They're dangerous lunatics and the number one reason you're seeing such a rise in the Right. Equal and opposite reaction.

No dude, they have to purge everything before the 1960s AD because teaching about Jim Crow, WWI, WWII, and the Holocaust hurts their feelings and makes them hide in Safe Spaces. Oh, and that icky nasty Vietnam War and the atrocities of the Khmer Rogue, the Soviet Union (NOT REAL COMMUNISM), and others have to go too. We can't have anything painting the left as bad.

Just you wait: these groups are going to burn paintings, then books, and then, as is inevitable, men.

Oh wait. They are already burning men: or at least the buildings and properties of men.

[United States of Red Dawn]

Tact is often the witholding of truth. We should not be forced to respect the feelings of people too weak to look at other opinions and dissenting concepts. I do not care about the opinions of strangers, and you should not either. If something offends them, they can leave.

Generally speaking, if something offends someone, and that something is coming from your mouth, and you're not being a better person and saying, "my apologies, I didn't mean to say or do something that could be perceived as rude," then you're probably in the wrong.

But, y'know, I guess offering the basic level of respect a person should get is too much nowadays.

As a Christian, that is what I have always been told in the face of Taking the Lord's Name In Vain and defacement of religious symbols. It's what I am told when I see homosexual crap on television, and it's what I am told when porn is being distributed. Hold them to that same standard.

So... people against religion, homosexuals, and people who view porn should leave?

How vain.

Taking down something because it offends some weak, pathetic peoples' feelings is among the absolute worst possible consequences of democracy. There is a reason the Founding Fathers were so afraid of tryanny-by-majority.

Ah, yes, those Uppity Negroes^TM asking to receive the same respect anyone else should be given is being weak and pathetic, especially in regards to when they wish to remove a symbol espousing hatred against them. Silly me.

I don't like to see things like Rainbow flags and the statue of Ray Lewis in Baltimore. What should I do Herr Commissar? I may be a minority in my own nation someday. Do I get your approval then?/

[Torrocca]

Generally speaking, if something offends someone, and that something is coming from your mouth, and you're not being a better person and saying, "my apologies, I didn't mean to say or do something that could be perceived as rude," then you're probably in the wrong.

But, y'know, I guess offering the basic level of respect a person should get is too much nowadays.



So... people against religion, homosexuals, and people who view porn should leave?

How vain.



Ah, yes, those Uppity Negroes^TM asking to receive the same respect anyone else should be given is being weak and pathetic, especially in regards to when they wish to remove a symbol espousing hatred against them. Silly me.

I don't like to see things like Rainbow flags

>TFW you're afraid of being a minority because of people trying to love each other

Jesus fuckin' tap-dancing Christ the mental gymnastics grow worse by the day.

[TURTLESHROOM II]

So... people against religion, homosexuals, and people who view porn should leave?

That is exactly what I've always been told. If I don't like the homosexuality, if I don't like the blasphemy or mockery of a religion, if I don't like porn, I "don't have to watch it" and must leave. That's the standard they hold religious people to, but they will not apply that standard to themselves in the presence of Southern culture or the CSA. Leftist responses to religious people offended by something obscene, or hateful, etc. to them or their God, god, or gods, is to suck it up. After all, it's freedom of speech when they do it.

Ah, yes, those Uppity Negroes^TM asking to receive the same respect anyone else should be given is being weak and pathetic, especially in regards to when they wish to remove a symbol espousing hatred against them. Silly me.

Your words, not mine.

The blacks are not demanding respect: they are already equal before the law. Respect is earned, not demanded, and they are not earning it by rioting, looting, and torching cities while screeching anti-police bigotry and explicitly calling for policemen to be killed. Nor are they earning respect by spitting on the flag and the country, and making a grandstanding scene of themselves on national television.

It's a matter of vengeance: despite modern blacks never being systematically oppressed by the government, they are demanding the systematic erasure of anything that ever done their ancestors wrong. That's nothing but bad news for them: erasure of Jim Crown makes it impossible for us to show what it did to people, and starts the means to bring it back.

They have no right to remove something that they don't like because they don't like it.

[Torrocca]

So... people against religion, homosexuals, and people who view porn should leave?

That is exactly what I've always been told. If I don't like the homosexuality, if I don't like the blasphemy or mockery of a religion, if I don't like porn, I "don't have to watch it" and must leave. That's the standard they hold religious people to, but they will not apply that standard to themselves in the presence of Southern culture or the CSA.

Well, that makes sense, then. You're being intolerant of things that by all means are undeserving of intolerance, whereas, in the case of the CSA, intolerance of an intolerant institution is fine and dandy.

And, speaking from a Christian perspective, did "Love Thy Neighbor" and "Judge Not, Lest Ye be Judged" leave your dictionary or some shit?

Ah, yes, those Uppity Negroes^TM asking to receive the same respect anyone else should be given is being weak and pathetic, especially in regards to when they wish to remove a symbol espousing hatred against them. Silly me.

Your words, not mine.

The blacks are not demanding respect: they are already equal before the law. It's a matter of vengeance: despite modern blacks never being systematically oppressed by the government, they are demanding the systematic erasure of anything that ever done their ancestors wrong. That's nothing but bad news for them: erasure of Jim Crown makes it impossible for us to show what it did to people, and starts the means to bring it back.

They have no right to remove something that they don't like because they don't like it.

Leaving symbols of oppression against one specific race erected doesn't sound like equality. Neither does gunning down unarmed minorities in the streets by law enforcement.

[Ifreann]

I don't know if it's much of an accomplishment to damage the environment for economic gain. That sounds pretty shit, actually.

We've been doing it for hundreds of years already XD

no but seriously, I will edit it.

Everyone then thought it was a good idea to do it, because they didn't know anything about evironmental destruction, or the importance of the land. They honestly just saw it was useless swamp.

And they were wrong. I don't see much reason to glorify people who were wrong with statues when we know full well that they were wrong.

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Removing his statue is not "erasing him from history", it is just denying him public honor. His statue is being removed precisely because of history.

Yes, because that history triggers weak men who cannot tolerate the presence of statues to anything they do not support. I'm not a racist, but I understand that a governor of Florida who hasn't directly committed mass human atrocities is worth preserving.

43 people have been Governor of Florida prior to incumbent Rick Scott. I'm not super familiar with the history of Florida, but are there statues to all of those people?

[Valgora]

So... people against religion, homosexuals, and people who view porn should leave?

That is exactly what I've always been told. If I don't like the homosexuality, if I don't like the blasphemy or mockery of a religion, if I don't like porn, I "don't have to watch it" and must leave. That's the standard they hold religious people to, but they will not apply that standard to themselves in the presence of Southern culture or the CSA. Leftist responses to religious people offended by something obscene, or hateful, etc. to them or their God, god, or gods, is to suck it up. After all, it's freedom of speech when they do it.

Ah, yes, those Uppity Negroes^TM asking to receive the same respect anyone else should be given is being weak and pathetic, especially in regards to when they wish to remove a symbol espousing hatred against them. Silly me.

Your words, not mine.

The blacks are not demanding respect: they are already equal before the law. It's a matter of vengeance: despite modern blacks never being systematically oppressed by the government, they are demanding the systematic erasure of anything that ever done their ancestors wrong. That's nothing but bad news for them: erasure of Jim Crown makes it impossible for us to show what it did to people, and starts the means to bring it back.

They have no right to remove something that they don't like because they don't like it.

The blacks are not demanding respect: they are already equal before the law. It's a matter of vengeance: despite modern blacks never being systematically oppressed by the government, they are demanding the systematic erasure of anything that ever done their ancestors wrong. That's nothing but bad news for them: erasure of Jim Crown makes it impossible for us to show what it did to people, and starts the means to bring it back.

They have no right to remove something that they don't like because they don't like it.

despite modern blacks never being systematically oppressed by the government

The fuck you talking about?

Clearly you don't know why Black Lives Matter exists.

[Liriena]

At least you tried.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mY0mQUWO9_Q

That's exactly the point. The Left will not be happy until every bit of history before, I guess, this century is erased. They're dangerous lunatics and the number one reason you're seeing such a rise in the Right. Equal and opposite reaction.

"I didn't actually want to be a Nazi until I completely fell for Nazi opportunistic fear-mongering and bought into their misrepresentation of 'the Left'."

Such a compelling excuse.

[Proctopeo]

That is exactly what I've always been told. If I don't like the homosexuality, if I don't like the blasphemy or mockery of a religion, if I don't like porn, I "don't have to watch it" and must leave. That's the standard they hold religious people to, but they will not apply that standard to themselves in the presence of Southern culture or the CSA. Leftist responses to religious people offended by something obscene, or hateful, etc. to them or their God, god, or gods, is to suck it up. After all, it's freedom of speech when they do it.



Your words, not mine.

The blacks are not demanding respect: they are already equal before the law. It's a matter of vengeance: despite modern blacks never being systematically oppressed by the government, they are demanding the systematic erasure of anything that ever done their ancestors wrong. That's nothing but bad news for them: erasure of Jim Crown makes it impossible for us to show what it did to people, and starts the means to bring it back.

They have no right to remove something that they don't like because they don't like it.

The blacks are not demanding respect: they are already equal before the law. It's a matter of vengeance: despite modern blacks never being systematically oppressed by the government, they are demanding the systematic erasure of anything that ever done their ancestors wrong. That's nothing but bad news for them: erasure of Jim Crown makes it impossible for us to show what it did to people, and starts the means to bring it back.

They have no right to remove something that they don't like because they don't like it.

despite modern blacks never being systematically oppressed by the government

The fuck you talking about?

Clearly you don't know why Black Lives Matter exists.

That's a can of worms we definitely need to keep closed, at least for this thread.
proceeds to have war flashbacks to Toronto and Washington DC

[Liriena]

That is exactly what I've always been told. If I don't like the homosexuality, if I don't like the blasphemy or mockery of a religion, if I don't like porn, I "don't have to watch it" and must leave. That's the standard they hold religious people to, but they will not apply that standard to themselves in the presence of Southern culture or the CSA. Leftist responses to religious people offended by something obscene, or hateful, etc. to them or their God, god, or gods, is to suck it up. After all, it's freedom of speech when they do it.



Your words, not mine.

The blacks are not demanding respect: they are already equal before the law. It's a matter of vengeance: despite modern blacks never being systematically oppressed by the government, they are demanding the systematic erasure of anything that ever done their ancestors wrong. That's nothing but bad news for them: erasure of Jim Crown makes it impossible for us to show what it did to people, and starts the means to bring it back.

They have no right to remove something that they don't like because they don't like it.

The blacks are not demanding respect: they are already equal before the law. It's a matter of vengeance: despite modern blacks never being systematically oppressed by the government, they are demanding the systematic erasure of anything that ever done their ancestors wrong. That's nothing but bad news for them: erasure of Jim Crown makes it impossible for us to show what it did to people, and starts the means to bring it back.

They have no right to remove something that they don't like because they don't like it.

despite modern blacks never being systematically oppressed by the government

The fuck you talking about?

Clearly you don't know why Black Lives Matter exists.

inb4 "BLM is an anti-white terrorist organization"

[United States of Red Dawn]

I don't like to see things like Rainbow flags

>TFW you're afraid of being a minority because of people trying to love each other

Jesus fuckin' tap-dancing Christ the mental gymnastics grow worse by the day.

You're pretty good at manipulation. No, I'm not afraid of being a minority in a nation full o' homosexuals. But I may be getting a preview of that on NSG,... hadda say it hadda!

You know what I meant.

[Liriena]

Generally speaking, if something offends someone, and that something is coming from your mouth, and you're not being a better person and saying, "my apologies, I didn't mean to say or do something that could be perceived as rude," then you're probably in the wrong.

But, y'know, I guess offering the basic level of respect a person should get is too much nowadays.



So... people against religion, homosexuals, and people who view porn should leave?

How vain.



Ah, yes, those Uppity Negroes^TM asking to receive the same respect anyone else should be given is being weak and pathetic, especially in regards to when they wish to remove a symbol espousing hatred against them. Silly me.

I don't like to see things like Rainbow flags and the statue of Ray Lewis in Baltimore. What should I do Herr Commissar? I may be a minority in my own nation someday. Do I get your approval then?/

"Being a homophobe is morally equivalent to being the target of racism."

top kek

[United States of Red Dawn]

So... people against religion, homosexuals, and people who view porn should leave?

That is exactly what I've always been told. If I don't like the homosexuality, if I don't like the blasphemy or mockery of a religion, if I don't like porn, I "don't have to watch it" and must leave. That's the standard they hold religious people to, but they will not apply that standard to themselves in the presence of Southern culture or the CSA. Leftist responses to religious people offended by something obscene, or hateful, etc. to them or their God, god, or gods, is to suck it up. After all, it's freedom of speech when they do it.

Ah, yes, those Uppity Negroes^TM asking to receive the same respect anyone else should be given is being weak and pathetic, especially in regards to when they wish to remove a symbol espousing hatred against them. Silly me.

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Your words, not mine.

The blacks are not demanding respect: they are already equal before the law...... SNIP.........

It's a matter of vengeance: despite modern blacks never being systematically oppressed by the government,....SNIP....

They have no right to remove something that they don't like because they don't like it.

They're are now demanding privilege-- special treatment.

[United States of Red Dawn]

I don't like to see things like Rainbow flags and the statue of Ray Lewis in Baltimore. What should I do Herr Commissar? I may be a minority in my own nation someday. Do I get your approval then?/

"Being a homophobe is morally equivalent to being the target of racism."

top kek

Actually, I was saying that I didn't see the need to be hypersensitive, like some. Even though there are symbols that disgust me too.

[Torrocca]

"Being a homophobe is morally equivalent to being the target of racism."

top kek

Actually, I was saying that I didn't see the need to be hypersensitive, like some. Even though there are symbols that disgust me too.

It's a shit point when you're comparing the centuries of varying degrees of systemic oppression of minorities in America to disliking "those icky gay folk".

[Liriena]

That is exactly what I've always been told. If I don't like the homosexuality, if I don't like the blasphemy or mockery of a religion, if I don't like porn, I "don't have to watch it" and must leave. That's the standard they hold religious people to, but they will not apply that standard to themselves in the presence of Southern culture or the CSA. Leftist responses to religious people offended by something obscene, or hateful, etc. to them or their God, god, or gods, is to suck it up. After all, it's freedom of speech when they do it.


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Your words, not mine.

The blacks are not demanding respect: they are already equal before the law...... SNIP.........

It's a matter of vengeance: despite modern blacks never being systematically oppressed by the government,....SNIP....

They have no right to remove something that they don't like because they don't like it.

They're are now demanding privilege-- special treatment.

Such as?

"Being a homophobe is morally equivalent to being the target of racism."

top kek

Actually, I was saying that I didn't see the need to be hypersensitive, like some. Even though there are symbols that disgust me too.

Not wanting monuments in honor of people who thought black people were lesser beings worthy of lesser rights is being "hypersensitive" now?

[Proctopeo]

They're are now demanding privilege-- special treatment.

Such as?

Actually, I was saying that I didn't see the need to be hypersensitive, like some. Even though there are symbols that disgust me too.

Not wanting monuments in honor of people who thought black people were lesser beings worthy of lesser rights is being "hypersensitive" now?

Just In Case™ we need to only build monuments in honor of people who could have never met a black person in their life, to avoid the possibility. So... statues of ancient Far Eastern historical figures for everybody? That would be... uh... Qin Shi Huang... maybe another person...

I'm being facetious, but someone somewhere would probably agree sincerely.

[Liriena]

Such as?


Not wanting monuments in honor of people who thought black people were lesser beings worthy of lesser rights is being "hypersensitive" now?

Just In Case™ we need to only build monuments in honor of people who could have never met a black person in their life, to avoid the possibility. So... statues of ancient Far Eastern historical figures for everybody? That would be... uh... Qin Shi Huang... maybe another person...

I'm being facetious, but someone somewhere would probably agree sincerely.

Nice try.

[Proctopeo]

Just In Case™ we need to only build monuments in honor of people who could have never met a black person in their life, to avoid the possibility. So... statues of ancient Far Eastern historical figures for everybody? That would be... uh... Qin Shi Huang... maybe another person...

I'm being facetious, but someone somewhere would probably agree sincerely.

Nice try.