Gay coffee shop owner kicks out Christians

[Genivaria]

Ironic that I'm the one defending Christendom for once here

It's pretty nightmare tier tbh

Behold the dream.

[Telconi]

Why?

Trashing a establishment on Yelp over a news story that likely didn't happen from a news site that is propaganda at best is a terrible thing.

Oh heavens! A bad Yelp review! Do people seriously look on Yelp for reviews before decoding where to buy a damn coffee?

Who said anything about shooting?

A's opposed to your meme of everybody having a conical white hat hidden away just waiting for there to be no equal accommodation laws so they can go out and get them colored folks.

I fail to see what's so outrageous about suggesting that discrimination would once again become problematic if we repealed those laws. It was a problem before, and society hasn't suddenly transformed into a magical place where everyone fuckin' sings Kumbaya and holds hands yet, so it'd probably be a problem after they got repealed again. It already pops up even with the law in place (see: this incident and zillions like it). Unless you're suggesting racism, sexism, religious intolerance, homophobia, and general ignorance have all literally been solved completely?

Even if you don't care about people being denied service or treated as second-class citizens, or if you think "the market shall provide" and create new businesses where excluded people can exclude their excluders instead, you should be concerned about the fracturing effect that would have on society. American society is already atomized enough as it is.

Anyways- we made the laws for a damn good reason, I see no reason to take them off the books besides some whiny-ass people wanting to be able to stick it to groups they don't like under the guise of the free market (as usual).

Wait, allowing people to freely associate is "fracturing" but using the police to force them together is a good thing?

[The East Marches II]

It's pretty nightmare tier tbh

Behold the dream.

[Neanderthaland]

Trashing a establishment on Yelp over a news story that likely didn't happen from a news site that is propaganda at best is a terrible thing.

Oh heavens! A bad Yelp review! Do people seriously look on Yelp for reviews before decoding where to buy a damn coffee?

I mean, it's not like false allegations from right-wing propaganda mills have ever gotten anyone shot before...

[Genivaria]

Trashing a establishment on Yelp over a news story that likely didn't happen from a news site that is propaganda at best is a terrible thing.

Oh heavens! A bad Yelp review! Do people seriously look on Yelp for reviews before decoding where to buy a damn coffee?

-Not just making coffee at home.
This is why I don't understand people.

[Telconi]

Oh heavens! A bad Yelp review! Do people seriously look on Yelp for reviews before decoding where to buy a damn coffee?

I mean, it's not like false allegations from right-wing propaganda mills have ever gotten anyone shot before...

Well good grief, there can't be very many people that dumb can there?

It's no secret a loon will jump on a conspiracy theory like a duck on a beetle. But these people aren't alleging that this coffee shop is running an industrial rape operation. They gave the boot to some people. Businesses give the boot to potential customers all the time.

[Telconi]

Oh heavens! A bad Yelp review! Do people seriously look on Yelp for reviews before decoding where to buy a damn coffee?

-Not just making coffee at home.
This is why I don't understand people.

Seriously, I get my coffee from the same red can I've gotten it from since before Yelp was a thing.

[Rusozak]

Oh heavens! A bad Yelp review! Do people seriously look on Yelp for reviews before decoding where to buy a damn coffee?

I mean, it's not like false allegations from right-wing propaganda mills have ever gotten anyone shot before...

That's probably why the larger, more credible news sources are refusing to get involved. It'd just be fanning the flames, even if they made it clear there was no proof yet.

On an unrelated note, can we all agree as a nation to stop calling conspiracies and scandals something-gate?

[Thermodolia]

-Not just making coffee at home.
This is why I don't understand people.

Seriously, I get my coffee from the same red can I've gotten it from since before Yelp was a thing.

Ive always favored Coke over coffee

[Telconi]

I mean, it's not like false allegations from right-wing propaganda mills have ever gotten anyone shot before...

That's probably why the larger, more credible news sources are refusing to get involved. It'd just be fanning the flames, even if they made it clear there was no proof yet.

On an unrelated note, can we all agree as a nation to stop calling conspiracies and scandals something-gate?

Nope, Nixon fucked us all forever...

[Telconi]

Seriously, I get my coffee from the same red can I've gotten it from since before Yelp was a thing.

Ive always favored Coke over coffee

Drinking cola...

Disguisting...

[Omnonia]

Wait, allowing people to freely associate is "fracturing" but using the police to force them together is a good thing?

To some folks, oppression is only bad when it happens to people within their favored tribe. If the "correct" people get oppressed, they won't give a damn.

[Genivaria]

-Not just making coffee at home.
This is why I don't understand people.

Seriously, I get my coffee from the same red can I've gotten it from since before Yelp was a thing.

Accept no substitutes.

Seriously, I get my coffee from the same red can I've gotten it from since before Yelp was a thing.

Ive always favored Coke over coffee

Ugh, that'll ruin your stomach in the morning.

[Senkaku]

Well good grief, there can't be very many people that dumb can there?

...this is America, you know.

[The East Marches II]

Seriously, I get my coffee from the same red can I've gotten it from since before Yelp was a thing.

Accept no substitutes.

Ive always favored Coke over coffee

Ugh, that'll ruin your stomach in the morning.

Folgers is the choice of patricians everywhere

[Telconi]

Seriously, I get my coffee from the same red can I've gotten it from since before Yelp was a thing.

Accept no substitutes.

Ive always favored Coke over coffee

Ugh, that'll ruin your stomach in the morning.

Classic Roast... why not the far more patrician French Roast?

[Greater USA]

Businesses have a right to serve and deny service on their own whim. Period.

I'd boycott any baker that refuses to make products for gay people. But I don't think they should be coerced under threat of lawsuit to do so. That violates personal liberty.

[Senkaku]

Businesses have a right to serve and deny service on their own whim. Period.

I'd boycott any baker that refuses to make products for gay people. But I don't think they should be coerced under threat of lawsuit to do so. That violates personal liberty.

One billionaire with archaic ideas later, suddenly no baked goods for gays, and if you get another who's spiteful, suddenly Christians can't get their coffee.

Better to avoid depriving people of the personal liberty to buy products that are on the market- the liberty of the baker and the barista already seems pretty well intact, since they can sell their goods to the public. This just says they don't get to exclude certain segments of the public simply because of their identities.

[Infected Mushroom]

Because of commercial freedom, freedom of contract, principles of free market (voluntary transactions).

So long as the government is obligated to serve everyone equally, there's no risk of going back to the 1960s. Today's businesses (the vast majority) value profit above all else anyways.

And you know this how? Go take a visit to the South sometime. Racism is still very prevalent there. If they had the opportunity i bet many of them would exclude non whites.

If you have a business you serve all or none at all. If you want to discriminate open a private club.

There's no point to opening a private club when opening a business (by default) should mean that you get to choose who you do business with

the current system is warped

[Neutraligon]

Businesses have a right to serve and deny service on their own whim. Period.

I'd boycott any baker that refuses to make products for gay people. But I don't think they should be coerced under threat of lawsuit to do so. That violates personal liberty.

Then they should not have opened the type of business they did. if they wished to pick and choose their customers they should have made a club, which allows them to sell products, have a brick and mortar store, and choose exactly to whom they sell.

[Infected Mushroom]

Businesses have a right to serve and deny service on their own whim. Period.

I'd boycott any baker that refuses to make products for gay people. But I don't think they should be coerced under threat of lawsuit to do so. That violates personal liberty.

Then they should not have opened the type of business they did. if they wished to pick and choose their customers they should have made a club, which allows them to sell products, have a brick and mortar store, and choose exactly to whom they sell.

opening a club puts too many restrictions on you and most of us can't afford to do it (ex you can only sell to registered members... would you go to a bakery if you had to become a member first or would you go to the one that skips this paperwork?)

[Telconi]

Businesses have a right to serve and deny service on their own whim. Period.

I'd boycott any baker that refuses to make products for gay people. But I don't think they should be coerced under threat of lawsuit to do so. That violates personal liberty.

Then they should not have opened the type of business they did. if they wished to pick and choose their customers they should have made a club, which allows them to sell products, have a brick and mortar store, and choose exactly to whom they sell.

You can have your liberty, you must just jump through fourteen million hoops to get it...

[Infected Mushroom]

Then they should not have opened the type of business they did. if they wished to pick and choose their customers they should have made a club, which allows them to sell products, have a brick and mortar store, and choose exactly to whom they sell.

You can have your liberty, you must just jump through fourteen million hoops to get it...

Exactly. It makes no sense.

Also, a private club implies that you only sell to registered members. No one is going to bother buying stuff from a retail store when they have to register as members first.

Its an infeasible model for startups.

[Greater USA]

Businesses have a right to serve and deny service on their own whim. Period.

I'd boycott any baker that refuses to make products for gay people. But I don't think they should be coerced under threat of lawsuit to do so. That violates personal liberty.

Then they should not have opened the type of business they did. if they wished to pick and choose their customers they should have made a club, which allows them to sell products, have a brick and mortar store, and choose exactly to whom they sell.

If I want to sell products, I should get to choose who my customers are. That's freedom. Accepting the fact that others don't have to accommodate to your identities.

I'm bisexual, for the record. I've been in same-sex relationships before and I know what it's like to be mocked in society. But I don't have the right (or at least I shouldn't) to force a Christian baker to violate his religious beliefs so I can have a wedding cake. That's not right.

[Infected Mushroom]

Businesses have a right to serve and deny service on their own whim. Period.

I'd boycott any baker that refuses to make products for gay people. But I don't think they should be coerced under threat of lawsuit to do so. That violates personal liberty.

Then they should not have opened the type of business they did. if they wished to pick and choose their customers they should have made a club, which allows them to sell products, have a brick and mortar store, and choose exactly to whom they sell.

so then what's the point?

It's easy super easy to become a "Private Club" and discriminate or its super hard to become a "Private Club" and discriminate. In either event, it works against your position.

It's super easy to become a Private Club and operate as a business except you get to discriminate
Then what's the point? If you're okay with this then why not make it a default?

It's super hard to become a Private Club and operate as a business except you get to discriminate
Then its just a disingenuous argument. You know that these businesses would collapse if they wanted to discriminate but are encumbered and weighed down by the regulations (ex you can only sell to registered members, customers want to buy and get out without the paperwork, they avoid your store).