Is the USA a Developed Country?

[Infected Mushroom]

what about the high incidence of gun crimes and high rates of murder/incarceration etc?

The countries with the lowest rates of incarceration are backwards failed states like the Central African Republic, the Congo (Republic of and Democratic Republic of), Mali, Niger, and Mauritania, incarceration rate obviously isn't an indicator of development.

but they do have very high crime rates right?

A high incarceration and high incidence of recycled criminals (ex released, do crime, back in, released, do crime) suggests that certain soft infrastructure (ex education, healthcare, equality etc) aren't in place like that are in other truly developed countries like Norway, Germany, Japan etc

[Senkaku]

Gun crime rates are not relevant to a country's classification as developed.

shouldn't they be though?

No.

if I were to create a fictional developed country in a work of fiction and then said "in the country there is very high gun crime rates" you'd probably (and correctly) respond by saying...

"Wait a minute, how can a country be developed and still have high gun crime rates?"

No, I wouldn't. A country can be wealthy and developed and still have high gun crime rates. Case in point: the United States. Please stop making such dumb threads.

See the issue?

Yes, sadly I've been seeing your posts for years now.

[Valgora]

What if a country has low gun crime rates, and extremely high gun ownership rates?

I think that’s Sweden :-P

I thought it was Finland and Switzerland.

Does Sweden have a lot of guns?

[Infected Mushroom]

shouldn't they be though?

No.

if I were to create a fictional developed country in a work of fiction and then said "in the country there is very high gun crime rates" you'd probably (and correctly) respond by saying...

"Wait a minute, how can a country be developed and still have high gun crime rates?"

No, I wouldn't. A country can be wealthy and developed and still have high gun crime rates. Case in point: the United States. Please stop making such dumb threads.

See the issue?

Yes, sadly I've been seeing your posts for years now.

so then would you consider China, India, and Russia to be developed countries too?

They have economies larger than many European countries buts its common to include them as a separate category because of their social problems (ex high crime rate, poverty, corruption etc). Shouldn't the US example of extremely high gun crime rates and high incidence of incarceration/violent crime deserve it to be at least worthy of consideration for this third category?

[Rusozak]

I think there's a distinction between developed and civilized. Development I'm pretty sure really only relates to infrastructure, standard of living, and technology level. Civility is the social aspect; how much violence there is, what, if any, persecution takes place, how safe people are from each other, etc.

Nations can be developed but uncivilized.

[Alndar]

I would also like to point out the unfair argument trying to be waged here.

Comparing a 330 million populated country, with countless large sprawling urban sectors, is not in the slightest a fair comparison with a country with only 35 million. There is very few urban centers in Canada, and it allows Canada to operate differently than the U.S.

[Oil exporting People]

That sound you just heard was the collective anguish of millions of economists, who have just learned they could've saved years of college had they just realized gun violence alone decides if a nation is developed.

[Infected Mushroom]

I would also like to point out the unfair argument trying to be waged here.

Comparing a 330 million populated country, with countless large sprawling urban sectors, is not in the slightest a fair comparison with a country with only 35 million. There is very few urban centers in Canada, and it allows Canada to operate differently than the U.S.

Well Canada is underdeveloped because of its under-utilisation of land and resources. 35 million people (almost half of France) in a land almost as big as all of Europe... I mean clearly there's a lot of further development to be done.

[Definitely not Helghan]

I think that’s Sweden :-P

I thought it was Finland and Switzerland.

Does Sweden have a lot of guns?

Yes. But they aren’t as openly carried as much as the other two nations do. Norway has a decent amount as well. I don’t blame them being that close to a nation that’s invaded them countless times. Scandinavia is considered one of the safest places in the world due to that and the fact they have no actual enemies minus the awkward rivalry between Sweden and Finland once a year over soccer if you can count that a rivalry.

[The Foxes Swamp]

yes and no

[Wallenburg]

The gun laws are not an issue. Look at Chicago and California where they banned guns. It got to the point where they unbanned them but put heavy restrictions on them because gun violence just got worse. The arms trade and manufacturing is apart of our nations culture and always has been.

I don't know about Chicago, but California has never implemented a total gun ban. Don't pull shit out of your ass.

[Empire of-the-isles]

Apparently such a target for immigration, civil rights, the world's strongest economy and military doesn't make it a very developed countries.
Please, stop paying attention to incidents that happen VEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEERY fucking rarely for 300 million people.

[Oil exporting People]

I don't know about Chicago, but California has never implemented a total gun ban. Don't pull shit out of your ass.

Indeed, as the history of South Central L.A. shows with all those lovely gangs shooting each other with their imports.

[Senkaku]

No.


No, I wouldn't. A country can be wealthy and developed and still have high gun crime rates. Case in point: the United States. Please stop making such dumb threads.


Yes, sadly I've been seeing your posts for years now.

so then would you consider China, India, and Russia to be developed countries too?

Russia is sorta borderline, China and India both have very low GDP per capita and are still developing countries.

They have economies larger than many European countries

Please tell me you've heard of GDP per capita, at least. I'd rather believe you're just ignoring it for the sake of your dumb point than that you literally made this thread without even Googling shit about how this works.

buts its common to include them as a separate category because of their social problems (ex high crime rate, poverty, corruption etc).

No, it's common to include them because of their low GDP per capita and low living standards.

Shouldn't the US example of extremely high gun crime rates and high incidence of incarceration/violent crime deserve it to be at least worthy of consideration for this third category?

No. Go do some Googling and learn how this shit actually works.

[Infected Mushroom]

Apparently such a target for immigration, civil rights, the world's strongest economy and military doesn't make it a very developed countries.
Please, stop paying attention to incidents that happen VEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEERY fucking rarely for 300 million people.

don't gun crimes happen in the USA (though most are admittedly of smaller scale) on a regular basis while in other countries like Japan and Denmark they are unheard of?

[Definitely not Helghan]

The gun laws are not an issue. Look at Chicago and California where they banned guns. It got to the point where they unbanned them but put heavy restrictions on them because gun violence just got worse. The arms trade and manufacturing is apart of our nations culture and always has been.

I don't know about Chicago, but California has never implemented a total gun ban. Don't pull shit out of your ass.

Chicago attempted it a few years back and the cities of Sacramento and Los Angeles tried and failed and in return placed massive restrictions and then convinced the state to almost eradicate gun shows.

[Senkaku]

Apparently such a target for immigration, civil rights, the world's strongest economy and military doesn't make it a very developed countries.
Please, stop paying attention to incidents that happen VEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEERY fucking rarely for 300 million people.

don't gun crimes happen in the USA (though most are admittedly of smaller scale) on a regular basis while in other countries like Japan and Denmark they are unheard of?

And yet the US still has crazy high standards of living and GDP per capita, developed infrastructure, and a diverse and dynamic postindustrial economy.

[Oil exporting People]

don't gun crimes happen in the USA (though most are admittedly of smaller scale) on a regular basis while in other countries like Japan and Denmark they are unheard of?

They also don't have borders with failed third world nations or are ~40% minorities.

[Alndar]

The gun laws are not an issue. Look at Chicago and California where they banned guns. It got to the point where they unbanned them but put heavy restrictions on them because gun violence just got worse. The arms trade and manufacturing is apart of our nations culture and always has been.

I don't know about Chicago, but California has never implemented a total gun ban. Don't pull shit out of your ass.

I believe the words he is looking for is making any guns besides pistols so hard to get they might as well be banned. Although pistols are also extremely difficult to latch on to. And yet they still have one of the more higher homicide rates out of every state.

Most of gun violence and deaths are actually caused by pistols, considering more automatic weapons are harder to purchase, and more expensive overall to upkeep.

[Infected Mushroom]

don't gun crimes happen in the USA (though most are admittedly of smaller scale) on a regular basis while in other countries like Japan and Denmark they are unheard of?

And yet the US still has crazy high standards of living and GDP per capita, developed infrastructure, and a diverse and dynamic postindustrial economy.

it has high economic stats but the extremely high crime rate and the dangers of the guns being everywhere suggest that a lot of work still needs to be done

Developed implies a nearly finished project; I feel that the USA isn't developed because it still has so much to go in terms of gun control and crime reduction

[Albrenia]

The US is a developed nation. Like everywhere it has problems. An excessive amount of violent crime and a huge prison population are two of said problems.

It has a lot of good points too, which I'm sure American natives could elaborate on but I'm sure include such things as freedom, quality of life (for some, anyway) and culture.

[Aillyria]

The notion that the United States isn't a developed nation for the mere fact we have legal gun ownership, and a large portion of our populace actually owns firearms, is utterly ridiculous. I'm assuming you don't consider Switzerland developed either OP?

[Aclion]

Guns have fuck all to do with whether a country is developed. Development is a matter of industrialization, level of human development and income. The US is firmly developed because it has a service economy, a high standard of living and a high level of income.

[Definitely not Helghan]

Apparently such a target for immigration, civil rights, the world's strongest economy and military doesn't make it a very developed countries.
Please, stop paying attention to incidents that happen VEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEERY fucking rarely for 300 million people.

don't gun crimes happen in the USA (though most are admittedly of smaller scale) on a regular basis while in other countries like Japan and Denmark they are unheard of?

Japan is......... Japan tradition kinda has to do with that plus have you ever pulled a gun out in Japan..... no if you did chances are you’ll get roflstomped by everyone if you act stupid with it.

Denmark on the other hand is so bleeping peaceful that really no one cares enough to actually really own one for any purpose other than hunting.

I know people worldwide and have visited almost every nation in Europe I need to go to Asia.

[Senkaku]

And yet the US still has crazy high standards of living and GDP per capita, developed infrastructure, and a diverse and dynamic postindustrial economy.

it has high economic stats but the extremely high crime rate and the dangers of the guns being everywhere suggest that a lot of work still needs to be done

Not in terms of development.

Developed implies a nearly finished project;

Not, it denotes a certain level of economic development, not a perfect society or something.

I feel that the USA isn't developed because it still has so much to go in terms of gun control and crime reduction

Your feelings are not relevant to the matter. The US is a developed nation whether you feel it is or not.