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Postby Kramania » Sun Oct 15, 2017 11:52 am

The Black Forrest wrote:
Kramania wrote:He says race doesn't matter, yet he wants diversity. So evidently he thinks race does matter in some sort of way.


Hmmmmm? I think you a stretching on the interpretation. Race doesn't matter in a diverse culture.

Yet typically "diverse" is applied to mean a diverse group of races.
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Postby San Lumen » Sun Oct 15, 2017 11:52 am

United States of Red Dawn wrote:
San Lumen wrote:why does it matter? And how do you define white anyway?

Just because it doesn't matter to you doesn't mean it won't matter to others. Most of the other stuff that is so loved here is insignificant to me, give and take, that's how it goes.

White is how ever white people define it. You can't tell an ethnic group who they are or should be. But, in this context it usually means those of white European descent either in Europe or out of it in the diaspora.

So why does it matter to you?

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Postby Trumptonium » Sun Oct 15, 2017 11:53 am

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Kramania wrote:Preserving one's race isn't white supremacist.

I feel like if I told you that economic stagnation was causing blacks to have less babies then you'd care more.

So the governments of places like Frankfurt, London, San Francisco or Jersey city should adopt policies and pass laws to restore a white majority? After all the white race needs to preserved and be the majority always. How do you define white anyway?


It's fascinatingly funny when people who claim to 'not care about skin colour' are hellbent at seeing more diversity.

What's your agenda, exactly?
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Postby San Lumen » Sun Oct 15, 2017 11:53 am

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San Lumen wrote:So the governments of places like Frankfurt, London, San Francisco or Jersey city should adopt policies and pass laws to restore a white majority? After all the white race needs to preserved and be the majority always. How do you define white anyway?


It's fascinatingly funny when people who claim to 'not care about skin colour' are hellbent at seeing more diversity.

What's your agenda, exactly?

You didn't answer my question

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Postby Kramania » Sun Oct 15, 2017 11:53 am

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Kramania wrote:Same here. I come from good ol' HUWHITE America.

I mean, there's a small trailer part of our town, and that's where most of the Hispanics live. So we're segregated in one sense or another, it is that aspect that interests me about the 'whole debate' rather than anything else. Cristian is a cool guy though, that glorious bastard.

What is familiar is what is comforting, to put it short.

There are a lot of Hispanics in my town too, even though you never see them. They live in the apartments on top of the stores. A lot of them are illegal but some Greek immigrant guy owns a lot of the apartments and sympathizes with them so he lets them stay.
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Postby United States of Red Dawn » Sun Oct 15, 2017 11:54 am

The Black Forrest wrote:
Kramania wrote:He says race doesn't matter, yet he wants diversity. So evidently he thinks race does matter in some sort of way.


................................. Race doesn't matter in a diverse culture.

Race and identity matter more in a highly diverse culture. People of very different backgrounds usually don't fully trust one another. Human nature.
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Postby Tekeristan » Sun Oct 15, 2017 11:54 am

Good lord, what are you accomplishing people?

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Postby UED » Sun Oct 15, 2017 11:54 am

Tekeristan wrote:Good lord, what are you accomplishing people?


Nothing, they're just bickering :meh:
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Postby The Black Forrest » Sun Oct 15, 2017 11:54 am

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What's wrong with it?

You can't respond to a question with another question.


Sure I can. You appear to have issues with it.
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Postby Kramania » Sun Oct 15, 2017 11:55 am

The Black Forrest wrote:
Kramania wrote:You can't respond to a question with another question.


Sure I can. You appear to have issues with it.

Not really. You're just prodding, looking for something to disagree with.
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Postby Godular » Sun Oct 15, 2017 11:56 am

The Black Forrest wrote:
Kramania wrote:He says race doesn't matter, yet he wants diversity. So evidently he thinks race does matter in some sort of way.


Hmmmmm? I think you a stretching on the interpretation. Race doesn't matter in a diverse culture.


I'd beg to differ. In a diverse culture, it is important to keep racial and ethnic variances in mind, but to remember that such differences do not inherently make any one group better or worse than another.

Placing too little stock on that kind of thing can be just as bad as placing too much.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Sun Oct 15, 2017 11:56 am

United States of Red Dawn wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
................................. Race doesn't matter in a diverse culture.

Race and identity matter more in a highly diverse culture. People of very different backgrounds usually don't fully trust one another. Human nature.


That's the case when there are language barriers.
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Postby Tekeristan » Sun Oct 15, 2017 11:56 am

UED wrote:
Tekeristan wrote:Good lord, what are you accomplishing people?


Nothing, they're just bickering :meh:

Can't we just explore other people's perspectives with a hint of curiosity just for once?
I suppose it's too much to ask. :unsure:

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Postby UED » Sun Oct 15, 2017 11:57 am

United States of Red Dawn wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
................................. Race doesn't matter in a diverse culture.

Race and identity matter more in a highly diverse culture. People of very different backgrounds usually don't fully trust one another. Human nature.


Interesting statement, that really depends. First generation immigrants for example usually stick together and don't trust people who are not from their cultural/religious/ethnic groups. You can find that a lot of first generation immigrants usually have severe trust issues with people who aren't similar to them. However second and third generation immigrants (children and grand children) actually integrate quite well into a highly diverse culture. Hell I'm Korean and most of my friends are Asian, white or hispanic. While distrust doesn't fully evaporate, that doesn't mean people aren't willing to trust each other because of race or religion.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Sun Oct 15, 2017 11:57 am

Kramania wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
Sure I can. You appear to have issues with it.

Not really. You're just prodding, looking for something to disagree with.


Nope just curiosity.
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* I felt like Ayn Rand cornered me at a party, and three minutes in I found my first objection to what she was saying, but she kept talking without interruption for ten more days. - Max Barry talking about Atlas Shrugged

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Postby Kramania » Sun Oct 15, 2017 11:58 am

The Black Forrest wrote:
United States of Red Dawn wrote:Race and identity matter more in a highly diverse culture. People of very different backgrounds usually don't fully trust one another. Human nature.


That's the case when there are language barriers.

And even when there aren't.
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Postby Trumptonium » Sun Oct 15, 2017 11:59 am

San Lumen wrote:
Trumptonium wrote:
In public or in private?




Yeah keep telling yourself that.


So tell me how your going to make places like Vienna, Frankfurt, London , Jersey City, New York, white majority again? How are you going to stop demographic changes? Id like your plan.


I don't care about those cities. They can be left to rot.

The plans are easy. I don't particularly care about white majority either, the only reason I care about it is my natural stance of order and lack of completely unnecessary 'progress' in the literal sense of the word. In any scenario, order always means status quo or a return to normalcy, which is universally going to be white majority in Europe.
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  • Immediate bans on migration for cultures/people who are not remotely compatible with the host culture/society
  • Zoning laws to prevent any area in the host country having a higher share of X than the national share of X.

There you go. Three steps in three minutes for free sanity.
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Postby United States of Red Dawn » Sun Oct 15, 2017 11:59 am

San Lumen wrote:
United States of Red Dawn wrote:Just because it doesn't matter to you doesn't mean it won't matter to others. Most of the other stuff that is so loved here is insignificant to me, give and take, that's how it goes.

White is how ever white people define it. You can't tell an ethnic group who they are or should be. But, in this context it usually means those of white European descent either in Europe or out of it in the diaspora.

So why does it matter to you?

Maybe because I like the idea of a race of people that are far more similar to me in many ways, more than others. Yes there are gray areas, and it isn't always black and white, so to speak, but, I feel far more familiar and at home with other whites. What's wrong with preserving a genotype/phenotype? Why is it wrong only for whites to want that?
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Postby Tekeristan » Sun Oct 15, 2017 12:00 pm

UED wrote:
United States of Red Dawn wrote:Race and identity matter more in a highly diverse culture. People of very different backgrounds usually don't fully trust one another. Human nature.


Interesting statement, that really depends. First generation immigrants for example usually stick together and don't trust people who are not from their cultural/religious/ethnic groups. However second and third generation immigrants (children and grand children) actually integrate quite well into a highly diverse culture. Hell I'm Korean and most of my friends are Asian, white or hispanic. While distrust doesn't fully evaporate, that doesn't mean people aren't willing to trust each other because of race or religion.


It's an understanding feeling. When I went as a tourist to Costa Rica, you tend to stay with who you're familiar with. People are scary when you're a stranger in a new environment. I got lost a street over once during night, and since it all just looked different, I was a good bit freaked. Generally, all their houses have fences, sometimes with razor around them (I think it's because they're a lot more open-door and patio). The rational mind doesn't remember that it's the happiest country on Earth, lol.

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Postby Vassenor » Sun Oct 15, 2017 12:00 pm

United States of Red Dawn wrote:
San Lumen wrote:So why does it matter to you?

Maybe because I like the idea of a race of people that are far more similar to me in many ways, more than others. Yes there are gray areas, and it isn't always black and white, so to speak, but, I feel far more familiar and at home with other whites. What's wrong with preserving a genotype/phenotype? Why is it wrong only for whites to want that?


Because "preserving the white race" tends to go hand in hand with calls for the oppression of other races in service of that goal. That's when it becomes wrong.
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Postby UED » Sun Oct 15, 2017 12:00 pm

Tekeristan wrote:
UED wrote:
Nothing, they're just bickering :meh:

Can't we just explore other people's perspectives with a hint of curiosity just for once?
I suppose it's too much to ask. :unsure:


:lol2: :lol2:
Silly Tekeristan! There must be no mercy for people whose perspectives are completely different from mine!

On a serious note though, it's slowly getting harder to explore racial, religious and political perspectives that are different from your own. I, a Young Democrats Rep for my college, am friends with the College Republicans Rep. However, it's a rare friendship, usually people don't get along and can't get out of their own bubbles.
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Postby Trumptonium » Sun Oct 15, 2017 12:01 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
United States of Red Dawn wrote:Race and identity matter more in a highly diverse culture. People of very different backgrounds usually don't fully trust one another. Human nature.


That's the case when there are language barriers.


Lol

I hope you're either joking or you either have too little experience of the real world if you think language barriers are the one and only block to trust between two human beings.
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Postby Minoa » Sun Oct 15, 2017 12:02 pm

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Minoa wrote:Just because I am an ethnic minority doesn't give anyone an excuse to treat me like trash.


In public or in private?

Both, bearing in mind that I was born a citizen of the country I am living in right now.
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Postby UED » Sun Oct 15, 2017 12:03 pm

Tekeristan wrote:
UED wrote:
Interesting statement, that really depends. First generation immigrants for example usually stick together and don't trust people who are not from their cultural/religious/ethnic groups. However second and third generation immigrants (children and grand children) actually integrate quite well into a highly diverse culture. Hell I'm Korean and most of my friends are Asian, white or hispanic. While distrust doesn't fully evaporate, that doesn't mean people aren't willing to trust each other because of race or religion.


It's an understanding feeling. When I went as a tourist to Costa Rica, you tend to stay with who you're familiar with. People are scary when you're a stranger in a new environment. I got lost a street over once during night, and since it all just looked different, I was a good bit freaked. Generally, all their houses have fences, sometimes with razor around them (I think it's because they're a lot more open-door and patio). The rational mind doesn't remember that it's the happiest country on Earth, lol.


You are hitting it right on. In an unknown environment, finding similarities is the best way to be safe and frankly, happy.
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Postby Trumptonium » Sun Oct 15, 2017 12:03 pm

Minoa wrote:
Trumptonium wrote:
In public or in private?

Both, bearing in mind that I was born a citizen of the country I am living in right now.


In private people can treat and think of you however they like. That's life, that's free speech, that's free thought, that's stereotypes, that's reality.

In public sure.
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