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Postby Stiltball » Mon Nov 06, 2017 2:14 pm

One thing for sure the Donald thinks he is and he's gone on to tour of the pacific to proove it - I hear Kim Jong-un's got a ticket - he likes a good laugh now and again.

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Postby Principality of the Raix » Mon Nov 06, 2017 2:16 pm

George Washington, seeing as he turned down becoming King of America twice.
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Postby Anarchitaria » Mon Nov 06, 2017 3:39 pm

In my opinion, I'd have to champion good ol' silent Calvin Coolidge.

Cal was the closest libertarian head of state that America had seen. He cut taxes substantially and appointed laissez-faire reps to government agencies, which includes the Federal Trade and Interstate Commerce Commissions. Coolidge disdained interventionism and championed civil rights for African-Americans at the time.

He was not much of a "spook" compared to other U.S. presidents, IMO. :geek:
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Postby Gyrenaica » Mon Nov 06, 2017 3:41 pm

My go to answer for his is George Washington- only president to not blame the previous administration.

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Postby Anarchitaria » Mon Nov 06, 2017 3:43 pm

Gyrenaica wrote:My go to answer for his is George Washington- only president to not blame the previous administration.

Nice catch. :clap:
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Postby Alba-Nord » Mon Nov 06, 2017 3:47 pm

Ceresnia wrote:Either Reagan or Trump


Both are Horrific candidates. Regan ruined your economy with his so-called 'Reganonmics' and Trump is the pin-up boy for anger at the financial crash that AMERICAN banks created.

Obama is the true winner here. Not for his triumphs at home, the GOP stopped that in his tracks all because they disliked his skin tone. But he showed the world that an Americans can have compassion, class and empathy. He lit up the room when he entered but was brash and bullish when he needed to be, for instance when the Chinese and Indian HoS backhanded his summit on Co2 emissions, he marched into the meeting, calmly sat down and said, "So, what you boys talking about?". He was respected on the global stage, something America needed after Iraq and something America continues to require well into the future. Americans may find it hard to believe Obama was you 'best' president, but he tried and tried to push his policies through. The reason why nothing was achieved, and why the economy didnt bounce back fast enough is because of the GOP.

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Postby Gyrenaica » Mon Nov 06, 2017 4:08 pm

Alba-Nord wrote:
Ceresnia wrote:Either Reagan or Trump


Both are Horrific candidates. Regan ruined your economy with his so-called 'Reganonmics' and Trump is the pin-up boy for anger at the financial crash that AMERICAN banks created.

Obama is the true winner here. Not for his triumphs at home, the GOP stopped that in his tracks all because they disliked his skin tone. But he showed the world that an Americans can have compassion, class and empathy. He lit up the room when he entered but was brash and bullish when he needed to be, for instance when the Chinese and Indian HoS backhanded his summit on Co2 emissions, he marched into the meeting, calmly sat down and said, "So, what you boys talking about?". He was respected on the global stage, something America needed after Iraq and something America continues to require well into the future. Americans may find it hard to believe Obama was you 'best' president, but he tried and tried to push his policies through. The reason why nothing was achieved, and why the economy didnt bounce back fast enough is because of the GOP.

Gotta agree with this (kind of)

Didn't agree with him politically, but certainly was a very well respected president, something America doesn't have anymore.

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Postby Segral » Mon Nov 06, 2017 4:10 pm

I have to go with JFK or Lincoln.
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Postby United Islamic Commonwealth » Mon Nov 06, 2017 4:10 pm

Gyrenaica wrote:
Alba-Nord wrote:
Both are Horrific candidates. Regan ruined your economy with his so-called 'Reganonmics' and Trump is the pin-up boy for anger at the financial crash that AMERICAN banks created.

Obama is the true winner here. Not for his triumphs at home, the GOP stopped that in his tracks all because they disliked his skin tone. But he showed the world that an Americans can have compassion, class and empathy. He lit up the room when he entered but was brash and bullish when he needed to be, for instance when the Chinese and Indian HoS backhanded his summit on Co2 emissions, he marched into the meeting, calmly sat down and said, "So, what you boys talking about?". He was respected on the global stage, something America needed after Iraq and something America continues to require well into the future. Americans may find it hard to believe Obama was you 'best' president, but he tried and tried to push his policies through. The reason why nothing was achieved, and why the economy didnt bounce back fast enough is because of the GOP.

Gotta agree with this (kind of)

Didn't agree with him politically, but certainly was a very well respected president, something America doesn't have anymore.

Obama was pretty well-respected internationally.
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Postby Kaldrassil » Mon Nov 06, 2017 4:12 pm

Not too into U.S. politics, but I would say Barack Obama.

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Postby Harkback Union » Mon Nov 06, 2017 5:05 pm

3 letters:

F.D.R.

Every other president US president I know of was either A raving lunatic, some corrupt criminal, or a warmongering bully...
And slave owners, running gulag plantations, stealing land from underneath Mexicans and Natives...

The list goes on, and don't even mention the founding fathers...

And yes, I accounted for JFK, Teddy, Woodrow and the other icons.

Except for maybe, maybe Lincoln. Okay, Lincoln all right.

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Postby Vassenor » Mon Nov 06, 2017 5:09 pm

Harkback Union wrote:3 letters:

F.D.R.

Every other president US president I know of was either A raving lunatic, some corrupt criminal, or a warmongering bully...
And slave owners, running gulag plantations, stealing land from underneath Mexicans and Natives...

The list goes on, and don't even mention the founding fathers...

And yes, I accounted for JFK, Teddy, Woodrow and the other icons.

Except for maybe, maybe Lincoln. Okay, Lincoln all right.


So where does internment fit into that graph?
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Postby Major-Tom » Mon Nov 06, 2017 5:33 pm

Vassenor wrote:
Harkback Union wrote:3 letters:

F.D.R.

Every other president US president I know of was either A raving lunatic, some corrupt criminal, or a warmongering bully...
And slave owners, running gulag plantations, stealing land from underneath Mexicans and Natives...

The list goes on, and don't even mention the founding fathers...

And yes, I accounted for JFK, Teddy, Woodrow and the other icons.

Except for maybe, maybe Lincoln. Okay, Lincoln all right.


So where does internment fit into that graph?


People tend to forget about the rather dark sides of FDR, of which there were many.

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Postby Fauxia » Mon Nov 06, 2017 5:40 pm

Major-Tom wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
So where does internment fit into that graph?


People tend to forget about the rather dark sides of FDR, of which there were many.
Wise words :clap:

I mean, I’m against his economic stances anyway, but there are other problems
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Postby Collatis » Mon Nov 06, 2017 5:45 pm

Harkback Union wrote:Every other president US president I know of was either A raving lunatic, some corrupt criminal, or a warmongering bully...
And slave owners, running gulag plantations, stealing land from underneath Mexicans and Natives...

John Quincy Adams and Jimmy Carter.

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Postby Major-Tom » Mon Nov 06, 2017 5:48 pm

Fauxia wrote:
Major-Tom wrote:
People tend to forget about the rather dark sides of FDR, of which there were many.
Wise words :clap:

I mean, I’m against his economic stances anyway, but there are other problems


I mean, the New Deal itself was fairly successful in alleviating many symptoms of the Great Depression, and I think some of what he did has a positive lasting effect today. But he was also borderline authoritarian and unconstitutional in some regards, interned the Japanese, and implemented some parts of the New Deal too hastily.

Not a horrible president, definitely a defining and influential one, but not the best president either. I prefer the other Roosevelt. 8)

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Postby Major-Tom » Mon Nov 06, 2017 5:48 pm

Collatis wrote:
Harkback Union wrote:Every other president US president I know of was either A raving lunatic, some corrupt criminal, or a warmongering bully...
And slave owners, running gulag plantations, stealing land from underneath Mexicans and Natives...

John Quincy Adams and Jimmy Carter.


Jimmy Carter had a slave plantation behind the White House tbh. I read it in Breitbart somewhere.

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Postby Crockerland » Mon Nov 06, 2017 5:51 pm

Harkback Union wrote:3 letters:

F.D.R.

Every other president US president I know of was either A raving lunatic, some corrupt criminal, or a warmongering bully...
And slave owners, running gulag plantations, stealing land from underneath Mexicans and Natives...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_S._Truman
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chester_A._Arthur
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calvin_Coolidge
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grover_Cleveland
Harkback Union wrote:And yes, I accounted for JFK,

I really don't think you did.
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Postby United Islamic Commonwealth » Mon Nov 06, 2017 5:52 pm

Collatis wrote:
Harkback Union wrote:Every other president US president I know of was either A raving lunatic, some corrupt criminal, or a warmongering bully...
And slave owners, running gulag plantations, stealing land from underneath Mexicans and Natives...

John Quincy Adams and Jimmy Carter.

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Postby Major-Tom » Mon Nov 06, 2017 5:52 pm

Crockerland wrote:
Harkback Union wrote:3 letters:

F.D.R.

Every other president US president I know of was either A raving lunatic, some corrupt criminal, or a warmongering bully...
And slave owners, running gulag plantations, stealing land from underneath Mexicans and Natives...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_S._Truman
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chester_A._Arthur
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calvin_Coolidge
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grover_Cleveland
Harkback Union wrote:And yes, I accounted for JFK,

I really don't think you did.


JFK stole a lot of things, but they were generally just the wives of his friends.

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Postby Peoples Republic of Tropico » Mon Nov 06, 2017 5:54 pm

FDR

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Postby Russoslava » Mon Nov 06, 2017 5:56 pm

Ronald Reagan. Hands down.

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Postby Major-Tom » Mon Nov 06, 2017 5:58 pm

Russoslava wrote:Ronald Reagan. Hands down.


Reaganomics sent millions of jobs overseas, increased the national debt, and left us with a generation of men and women who went from middle class Union folk to poorer folk without representation of a Union. His administration was corrupt and militaristic, but nowhere near as bad as some of his successors.

Reagan was a piss poor President.

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Postby Fauxia » Mon Nov 06, 2017 5:58 pm

Major-Tom wrote:
Fauxia wrote:Wise words :clap:

I mean, I’m against his economic stances anyway, but there are other problems


I mean, the New Deal itself was fairly successful in alleviating many symptoms of the Great Depression, and I think some of what he did has a positive lasting effect today. But he was also borderline authoritarian and unconstitutional in some regards, interned the Japanese, and implemented some parts of the New Deal too hastily.

Not a horrible president, definitely a defining and influential one, but not the best president either. I prefer the other Roosevelt. 8)
I’m not denying the effectiveness of the new deal. I just think most forms of stimulus only work sometimes.

Not a huge fan of Teddy, though. He did some good, but he did a lot of bad, too.
Major-Tom wrote:


JFK stole a lot of things, but they were generally just the wives of his friends.
Just. Lol.

Anyway, my favorites are probably Ronald Reagan, Abe Lincoln, and Calvin Coolidge
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