The 'Best' U.S. President

[Elhazia]

Jefferson, Tyler, Jackson, Theodore Roosevelt and Kennedy.

[Collatis]

Tyler

[Raxacoricofallibatorius]

Reagan - Reaganomics (like Thatcherism) heavily improved the economy, he promoted libertarian free market views around the world. He also was a fantastic diplomat, and alongside the UK's greatest Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher, presided over the breakup of the most insidious threat the world had ever seen (The USSR).

[Farnhamia]

Tyler

John Tyler does have two living grandsons, as of February, anyway.

[Imperial Siber]

What has Trump actually done to deserve the "best president" moniker?

More jobs and small businesses, domestic businesses, and stock market boost
Got the travel ban signed within a week
Banned transgenders from the army
Made America Great Again

1: That was from Obama's administration. They were going up in his 2nd and 1st terms, and his effects stretched into Trumps'
2: That actually was biased to let in Christian refugees over Muslim ones
3: Becuase it makes people uncomfortable? "Oh no somebody identifies as something I don't think is right so they have to leave their ability to serve and protect our country" Conservative snowflakes
4: How so? By projecting to the world that America is corrupt, unstable, régressive, and politics laundered with money?

Also FDR did 1# as well, the "Communist Un-American Socialist Liberal", Andy terms limits were imposed so that another president loved by Americans would be Presudent for 4 terms. The afire Roosevelt and FDR are my favorites by the way. Don't like FDR's interment camps though.

[Collatis]

Reagan - Reaganomics (like Thatcherism) heavily improved the economy, he promoted libertarian free market views around the world. He also was a fantastic diplomat, and alongside the UK's greatest Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher, presided over the breakup of the most insidious threat the world had ever seen (The USSR).

[Vassenor]

Reagan - Reaganomics (like Thatcherism) heavily improved the economy, he promoted libertarian free market views around the world. He also was a fantastic diplomat, and alongside the UK's greatest Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher, presided over the breakup of the most insidious threat the world had ever seen (The USSR).

Hasn't trickle-down economics been pretty thoroughly debunked by now?

Also,

>Margaret Thatcher

>Greatest Prime Minister

...Yeah try saying that to people in the former mining towns. There's a reason people were celebrating when she died.

[United Islamic Commonwealth]

Reagan - Reaganomics (like Thatcherism) heavily improved the economy, he promoted libertarian free market views around the world. He also was a fantastic diplomat, and alongside the UK's greatest Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher, presided over the breakup of the most insidious threat the world had ever seen (The USSR).

Lol it gets better: Thatcher wasn't even PM in 1991.

[Collatis]

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John Tyler does have two living grandsons, as of February, anyway.

That's gotta be pretty disappointing.

"Son, did you know you're a descendant of a president?"
"Really?! Who?"
"John Tyler!"
"I hate you, dad."

[Vassenor]

Lol it gets better: Thatcher wasn't even PM in 1991.

Are you telling me John Major is just a puppet or something?

[United Islamic Commonwealth]

Reagan - Reaganomics (like Thatcherism) heavily improved the economy, he promoted libertarian free market views around the world. He also was a fantastic diplomat, and alongside the UK's greatest Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher, presided over the breakup of the most insidious threat the world had ever seen (The USSR).

There's a reason people were celebrating when she died.

Ehhhh. That's still pretty fucked.

[Crockerland]

Jefferson, Coolidge, Eisenhower, and Truman for a 4 way tie.

Ah, I see you're a man of culture as well.

Obamacare is an important step to true universal healthcare and was probably always meant to be improved upon to begin with.

Obamacare is a step towards universal healthcare like forcing people to buy from bourgeoisie businesses is a step towards communism.

LBJ – for getting stuff done on civil rights by bucking the South/Southern Democrats. Implementing the Great Society. His legacy is only hampered because he got too deep into the Vietnam War.

Completely fucked up Vietnam

Johnson and Nixon were very successful in Vietnam, and the war effort under their presidencies forced the North Vietnamese to agree to the Paris Peace Accords, the Democrat congress under president Ford stopped sending aid to South Vietnam, which was what caused the US to lose the war.

What has Trump actually done to deserve the "best president" moniker?

Got the travel ban signed within a week
Banned transgenders from the army

The travel ban doesn't even cover countries that are full of terrorist groups or even sponsor them like Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Lebanon, Egypt, etc., praising Trump for signing it is like praising a construction company for building a tool shed when you hired them to build a house.
Banning transgender people from the army also benefits no one.

[Collatis]

Lol it gets better: Thatcher wasn't even PM in 1991.

Yeah, but no cares about Major. Poor guy.

[United Islamic Commonwealth]

John Tyler does have two living grandsons, as of February, anyway.

That's gotta be pretty disappointing.

"Son, did you know you're a descendant of a president?"
"Really?! Who?"
"John Tyler!"
"I hate you, dad."

It is pretty impressive, though. The guy who presided over Texas entering the Union still has grandchildren alive today. My grandfather wasn't even born until the 20th century.

[Vassenor]

There's a reason people were celebrating when she died.

Ehhhh. That's still pretty fucked.

Considering how badly her government screwed people over, I can't say I'm surprised.

[United Islamic Commonwealth]

Ehhhh. That's still pretty fucked.

Considering how badly her government screwed people over, I can't say I'm surprised.

I'm still of the opinion that few people's deaths should exactly be celebrated. But that's another matter not relevant to this thread.

[Collatis]

That's gotta be pretty disappointing.

"Son, did you know you're a descendant of a president?"
"Really?! Who?"
"John Tyler!"
"I hate you, dad."

It is pretty impressive, though. The guy who presided over Texas entering the Union still has grandchildren alive today. My grandfather wasn't even born until the 20th century.

Yeah, it is pretty crazy. He had children in the double digits.

[The Parkus Empire]

Reagan - Reaganomics (like Thatcherism) heavily improved the economy, he promoted libertarian free market views around the world. He also was a fantastic diplomat, and alongside the UK's greatest Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher, presided over the breakup of the most insidious threat the world had ever seen (The USSR).

Took the fiscal accountability out of conservatism.

[The Federal District of Vice Santos]

Slavery was abolished in the British Empire in 1807. The US Civil War ended in 1865. So that almost 60 years.

To be fair, he's right. Britain abolished the slave trade in 1807. Didn't abolish slavery itself until 1833.

Sorry. Mixed historical facts up. My bad.

[Alndar]

The best president is:

Any bad things Theodore made, is heavily made irrelevant by the amount of good he did for the nation.

[Elphaba-]

The best president is:

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Any bad things Theodore made, is heavily made irrelevant by the amount of good he did for the nation.

Teddy is one of my favorites.

[Genivaria]

What has Trump actually done to deserve the "best president" moniker?

Its way to early to give either best or worst, wait at least until he is out of office first.

Bottom 20 at this point.
He might make bottom 10 by the end of his 1st term.

[Lalaki]

Tie between FDR, Eisenhower, LBJ, and Barack Obama.

Their administrations were among the most successful in terms of liberal economic/social policy. Under Roosevelt, we got public works initiatives, Social Security, financial regulations, a plethora of labor protections, etc. Eisenhower pushed the Interstate Highways system through, one of the most important parts of modern infrastructure. He also forcibly desegregated schools via the National Guard, something that probably wouldn't happen today. Lyndon B. Johnson passed Medicare/Medicaid, not to mention several pieces of Civil Rights legislation. Obama, although he was stymied by a handful of moderate Dems in Congress (2009-2011), was able to pass a health care law that reduced the uninsured rate to 8.8% (from a high of around 18% just a few years ago), an 800 billion dollar stimulus package, and the Dodd-Frank Wall Street reforms. Not nearly as far-reaching as I would've hoped for, but still a step in the right direction considering our current political climate.

I'm also a fan of Obama's foreign policy (minus Libya). His outreach to Iran and Cuba was excellent, he maintained a good relationship with our European allies, etc. Unlike other liberals, I actually support the TPP/TTIP, and was disappointed by the Trump-Sanders populism that I'm definitely not a fan of PM Ben Netenyahu, so I admired how Obama bumped heads with him and negotiated the Iran deal under his opposition. Unfortunately, the current President seems determined to uphold Netenyahu's will by any means necessary. With regards to Iraq, I think any President would've seen the same destabilization post-withdrawal -- it was the Bush administration that laid out the 2011 timetable.

The "worst" modern U.S. Presidents include Reagan, Clinton, and Bush II. I like Reagan and Bush as human beings -- they seemed to genuinely care about this country and wanted to do right. But their actions led to less social welfare, an irresponsible financial sector, etc.

[Crockerland]

I'm also a fan of Obama's foreign policy

Same here, big fan of Obama's foreign policy, Harding's policy on corruption, and Nixon's policy on crime.

[Lalaki]

I'm also a fan of Obama's foreign policy

Same here, big fan of Obama's foreign policy, Harding's policy on corruption, and Nixon's policy on crime.