The 'Best' U.S. President

[Wallenburg]

No need to be so hard on ol' Franky

Any president who breaks the constitution on multiple occasions,

So...most of them?

try to run more than twice

Theodore Roosevelt tried for a third term.

and puts people in camps is a terrible president.

I think we can all agree that was the worst policy of FDR's presidency. Nobody is defending that. Nevertheless, one bad policy does not a terrible president make.

[Eisen Wolf Reich]

Any president who breaks the constitution on multiple occasions,

So...most of them?

try to run more than twice

Theodore Roosevelt tried for a third term.

and puts people in camps is a terrible president.

I think we can all agree that was the worst policy of FDR's presidency. Nobody is defending that. Nevertheless, one bad policy does not a terrible president make.

Franklin Roosevelt broke the constitution multiple times, He tried to pack the supreme court so that he could make crazy laws and not have to worry about strike downs, he stole all of America's private gold with a executive order, and he put people in camps.

Any president who breaks the constitution is a terrible president, I mean they swear to uphold it for fuck sake.

[Valrifell]

So...most of them?

Theodore Roosevelt tried for a third term.

I think we can all agree that was the worst policy of FDR's presidency. Nobody is defending that. Nevertheless, one bad policy does not a terrible president make.

Franklin Roosevelt broke the constitution multiple times, He tried to pack the supreme court so that he could make crazy laws and not have to worry about strike downs, he stole all of America's private gold with a executive order, and he put people in camps.

Any president who breaks the constitution is a terrible president, I mean they swear to uphold it for fuck sake.

There are so many different legal interpretations on the Constitution that you could argue that any president violated something in the Constitution. Unless SCOTUS ruled on it, of course.

[United Islamic Commonwealth]

So...most of them?

Theodore Roosevelt tried for a third term.

I think we can all agree that was the worst policy of FDR's presidency. Nobody is defending that. Nevertheless, one bad policy does not a terrible president make.

Franklin Roosevelt broke the constitution multiple times, He tried to pack the supreme court so that he could make crazy laws and not have to worry about strike downs, he stole all of America's private gold with a executive order, and he put people in camps.

Any president who breaks the constitution is a terrible president, I mean they swear to uphold it for fuck sake.

You gonna actually provide any examples of these "crazy laws"?

[Wallenburg]

So...most of them?

Theodore Roosevelt tried for a third term.

I think we can all agree that was the worst policy of FDR's presidency. Nobody is defending that. Nevertheless, one bad policy does not a terrible president make.

Franklin Roosevelt broke the constitution multiple times, He tried to pack the supreme court so that he could make crazy laws and not have to worry about strike downs, he stole all of America's private gold with a executive order, and he put people in camps.

1) Court packing was and is not unconstitutional. The Constitution says nothing about how many justices must serve on the Supreme Court.
2) "Crazy laws"
3) E.O. 6102 was a massive gold "buy-back" program that allowed people to keep several thousand dollars worth of gold money, and any collections that they may have assembled. It wasn't "stealing all private gold".
4) Yeah, we've established that. That was very bad.

Any president who breaks the constitution is a terrible president, I mean they swear to uphold it for fuck sake.

So pretty much every president.

[Eisen Wolf Reich]

Franklin Roosevelt broke the constitution multiple times, He tried to pack the supreme court so that he could make crazy laws and not have to worry about strike downs, he stole all of America's private gold with a executive order, and he put people in camps.

Any president who breaks the constitution is a terrible president, I mean they swear to uphold it for fuck sake.

You gonna actually provide any examples of these "crazy laws"?

Here is one.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judicial_ ... ll_of_1937

[Eisen Wolf Reich]

You gonna actually provide any examples of these "crazy laws"?

Here is one.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judicial_ ... ll_of_1937

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_Order_6102

[Stonok]

There was no Constitutional limit on Presidential terms during FDR's presidency and prior. The two-term thing was purely tradition at the time.

[Kernen]

James BAMF Polk.

Man made four, count 'em 4 promises to the American Public:

1. Reestablish the Independant Treasury System
2. Reduce Tariffs
3. 54 40 or Bust for the Oregon Territory
4. Keep the Texas border at the Rio Grande

The man delivered on 3 of those 4, and only failed to deliver on #3 because it would have started a war at the same time that we were busy fighting a war with ol' Santa Anna. One that the Mexicans were keen to start and in which the U.S. was totally justified in participating.

Man promised to be a single term president and delivered. Just didn't run, despite constituents begging him to do so.

I don't know about you folks, but I appreciate a politician who delivers on his promises, and, to adapt a phrase from one Mr. Meatloaf: 3 outta 4 ain't bad.

Man was a model president and politician.

[Kernen]

strike downs, he stole all of America's private gold with a executive order, and he put people in camps.

1) Court packing was and is not unconstitutional. The Constitution says nothing about how many justices must serve on the Supreme Court.[/quote]

Court packing, while not strictly unconstitutional, presents an excessive overreach of presidential authority over the judicial branch in a way that no justice, regardless of how strictly they would apply the Constitution, should be comfortable with. SCOTUS has ruled other, similar reaches of either Executive or Legislative overreach unconstitutional under the Separation of Powers Doctrine without there being a discrete rule against it in the Constitution.

Liberal Activist Judges Legislating From The Bench or Ethical Guardians Of A Living Document? You decide!

[Cedoria]

JFK, on the grounds of moral standing and progressive policies.

Neither of which he actually possessed.

[Pope Joan]

Eisenhower.

Those were great years, and his administration deserves at least some of the credit.

Although the GI Bill and the baby boom helped, too.

Race was a serious issue, but we had Brown v. Board of Education, and Jackie Robinson was a (persecuted) pioneer. Nat King Cole was the most popular entertainer, but he was blocked from buying a home in Bel Air, due to fears of "block busting".

The Interstate highway system was a boost to the economy, and to Detroit; the USA is too vast for such rail networks as Europe has.

[The of Japan]

Nixon founded many things like EPA and OSHA, he was more progressive than most people think.

[Pope Joan]

Roosevelt. Roosevelt. Roosevelt. The Big T, not that Franklin cripple constitution violating reject.

He was a Progressive at the right historical moment.

I think he also displayed some bigotry, but that was not novel in America then.

[United States of Red Dawn]

Why not Lincoln, specifically?

He didn't care for black people, so everything else he did is invalidated.

That just means he actually lived up to the moniker of "Honest Abe"; he viewed them as he found them. Is personal honesty allowed? Sometimes the truth hurts.

I'm amazed that the Emancipation Proclamation is invalidated in your opinion. He showed true compassion and did the right thing anyway for people for whom he didn't hold a high opinion.

[United States of Red Dawn]

Nixon founded many things like EPA and OSHA, he was more progressive than most people think.

He also signed Affirmative Action into law...

[The of Japan]

Nixon founded many things like EPA and OSHA, he was more progressive than most people think.

He also signed Affirmative Action into law...

which was a mistake, as blacks are just as capable, and don't need to be treated as if they are actually inferior.

[United Islamic Commonwealth]

You gonna actually provide any examples of these "crazy laws"?

Here is one.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judicial_ ... ll_of_1937

Yes. Allah forbid he try to break a partisan gridlock to pass a program that is now widely lauded as one of the main contributors (along with WWII) to bring us out of the Great Depression.

Here is one.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judicial_ ... ll_of_1937

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_Order_6102

What's the problem here? It was a Depression. The largest in the US' history. He outlawed hoarding. Boo freaking hoo. It's economics 101. The government needed money. They take the gold from the fat cats, raise the price of the gold, and they've now got more money. You also conveniently leave out the fact that they were reimbursed with the full value of the gold at the time ($20.67 per troy ounce).

[New Mecedonian]

George Washington, Ronald Reagan, and Calvin Coolidge are the best three.

[Ankuran]

Obama, Clinton, and Bill Pullman.

[Constitutional Technocracy of Minecraft]

Obama. At least I'm British so I have Theresa May to put up with instead of Donald Trump

[Eisen Wolf Reich]

Here is one.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judicial_ ... ll_of_1937

Yes. Allah forbid he try to break a partisan gridlock to pass a program that is now widely lauded as one of the main contributors (along with WWII) to bring us out of the Great Depression.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_Order_6102

What's the problem here? It was a Depression. The largest in the US' history. He outlawed hoarding. Boo freaking hoo. It's economics 101. The government needed money. They take the gold from the fat cats, raise the price of the gold, and they've now got more money. You also conveniently leave out the fact that they were reimbursed with the full value of the gold at the time ($20.67 per troy ounce).

Just because they were reimbursed doesn't make it worth it. Lets say you have 20 acres of land that have been in your family for 300 years right? The US government comes in and uses imminent domain to take your land, they pay you the value of that land and take that land to build a military base. Would you consider it okay because they paid you for the land, even after it's been in your family for 300 years? Some people kept private possessions of gold for rainy days, or as their retirement. Lets not forget that the US dollar at this time was basically worthless after the stock market crash. Meanwhile, gold only goes up in value, where as if this were 1930, the US dollar is worthless now.

[Eisen Wolf Reich]

Franklin Roosevelt broke the constitution multiple times, He tried to pack the supreme court so that he could make crazy laws and not have to worry about strike downs, he stole all of America's private gold with a executive order, and he put people in camps.

1) Court packing was and is not unconstitutional. The Constitution says nothing about how many justices must serve on the Supreme Court.
2) "Crazy laws"
3) E.O. 6102 was a massive gold "buy-back" program that allowed people to keep several thousand dollars worth of gold money, and any collections that they may have assembled. It wasn't "stealing all private gold".
4) Yeah, we've established that. That was very bad.

Any president who breaks the constitution is a terrible president, I mean they swear to uphold it for fuck sake.

So pretty much every president.

Also, packing the courts would have given Roosevelt and any president insane power, basically able to make whatever laws they wanted to because of executive order. If he had packed the courts successfully, congress' power and the supreme courts un-bias approach to the constitution would be forever ruined.

[The State of Communism]

JFK, obviously.

[Wallenburg]

Also, packing the courts would have given Roosevelt and any president insane power, basically able to make whatever laws they wanted to because of executive order. If he had packed the courts successfully, congress' power and the supreme courts un-bias approach to the constitution would be forever ruined.

You claimed it was unconstitutional. It wasn't. We weren't talking about whether it was a good idea or not.

Just because they were reimbursed doesn't make it worth it. Lets say you have 20 acres of land that have been in your family for 300 years right? The US government comes in and uses imminent domain to take your land, they pay you the value of that land and take that land to build a military base. Would you consider it okay because they paid you for the land, even after it's been in your family for 300 years?

You ask this as if eminent domain is unconstitutional. First, it isn't. Second, if you think it is, then you should hate every single president, as it has been used throughout American history.

Some people kept private possessions of gold for rainy days, or as their retirement.

Do you understand the difference between gold bullion and gold belongings such as rings, bracelets, and watches?

Lets not forget that the US dollar at this time was basically worthless after the stock market crash.

Um...no. The purchasing power of the US dollar actually rose during the Great Depression. It was far from worthless. Not all economic crises are hyperinflation.

Meanwhile, gold only goes up in value, where as if this were 1930, the US dollar is worthless now.

But it isn't 1930, so that doesn't matter.