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Ethel mermania
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Postby Ethel mermania » Tue Oct 03, 2017 3:39 am

Stonok wrote:
Wallenburg wrote:The Emancipation Proclamation and the 13th Amendment (which he openly endorsed before his death) were pretty good means, TBH.

The Emancipation Proclamation was a war tactic, it only "freed" slaves in rebel states, where frankly Lincoln didn't have the means to free them until the South was reconquered. Really all it was good for was stirring unrest within enemy territory.

It also gave definition to the struggle, and helped sway britian and France not to back the south in the war.
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I deleted this post due to the fact I got Ninja'd! My actual post is farther down.
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Postby The Federal Kingdom Of Zuhi » Tue Oct 03, 2017 3:40 am

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Postby Cedoria » Tue Oct 03, 2017 3:40 am

Albrenia wrote:
Aguaria Major wrote:Either FDR, on account of the fact his administration and military won WWII, while the New Deal was directly responsible for ushering in the prosperity of the 1950's-1970's, or Lincoln, given he won the Civil War and whipped those goddamn Southern hicks, and freed the slaves.


You make some good points, but did he vomit on any world leaders?

I suppose Roosevelt did vomit on the Japanese... Metaphorically speaking.
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Postby Albrenia » Tue Oct 03, 2017 3:41 am

Cedoria wrote:
Albrenia wrote:
You make some good points, but did he vomit on any world leaders?

I suppose Roosevelt did vomit on the Japanese... Metaphorically speaking.


:lol:

Also, for the post below: :) :lol:
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Postby Aguaria Major » Tue Oct 03, 2017 3:41 am

Albrenia wrote:
Aguaria Major wrote:Either FDR, on account of the fact his administration and military won WWII, while the New Deal was directly responsible for ushering in the prosperity of the 1950's-1970's, or Lincoln, given he won the Civil War and whipped those goddamn Southern hicks, and freed the slaves.


You make some good points, but did he vomit on any world leaders?

:lol2: No, no he didn't. I concede to you, my friend!
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Postby Greater Cesnica » Tue Oct 03, 2017 3:42 am

JFK, on the grounds of moral standing and progressive policies.
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Postby The Federal Kingdom Of Zuhi » Tue Oct 03, 2017 3:44 am

Greater Cesnica wrote:JFK, on the grounds of moral standing and progressive policies.


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Postby The Blaatschapen » Tue Oct 03, 2017 3:45 am

Tyrannistate wrote:That would be the One and Only God Emperor Donald Trump


I don't think either Trump nor Obama can be properly ranked yet. The effects of their policies on the long term still remain to be seen.

Also, neither spoke Dutch, so on my metric they both fail :p
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Postby Ethel mermania » Tue Oct 03, 2017 3:46 am

The Blaatschapen wrote:
Tyrannistate wrote:That would be the One and Only God Emperor Donald Trump


I don't think either Trump nor Obama can be properly ranked yet. The effects of their policies on the long term still remain to be seen.

Also, neither spoke Dutch, so on my metric they both fail :p

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Postby Greater Cesnica » Tue Oct 03, 2017 3:46 am

The Blaatschapen wrote:
Tyrannistate wrote:That would be the One and Only God Emperor Donald Trump


I don't think either Trump nor Obama can be properly ranked yet. The effects of their policies on the long term still remain to be seen.

Also, neither spoke Dutch, so on my metric they both fail :p

What about our lord and savior John Fitzgerald Kennedy?
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Postby The Blaatschapen » Tue Oct 03, 2017 3:48 am

Greater Cesnica wrote:
The Blaatschapen wrote:
I don't think either Trump nor Obama can be properly ranked yet. The effects of their policies on the long term still remain to be seen.

Also, neither spoke Dutch, so on my metric they both fail :p

What about our lord and savior John Fitzgerald Kennedy?


He did not speak Dutch. Spoke a few words German though.
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Postby The Blaatschapen » Tue Oct 03, 2017 4:13 am

Ethel mermania wrote:
The Blaatschapen wrote:
I don't think either Trump nor Obama can be properly ranked yet. The effects of their policies on the long term still remain to be seen.

Also, neither spoke Dutch, so on my metric they both fail :p

Perspective is key.


Indeed. It's not been a decade since Bush Jr left office. Long term effects usually take a few years to be seen.
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Postby Industrialaska » Tue Oct 03, 2017 8:44 am

The Parkus Empire wrote:Nixon, on account of both domestic and foreign policy.


Nixon was great, except he instituted price controls.
Other than that, his domestic policy was pretty good.
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Postby The Federal Kingdom Of Zuhi » Tue Oct 03, 2017 9:23 am

Industrialaska wrote:
The Parkus Empire wrote:Nixon, on account of both domestic and foreign policy.


Nixon was great, except he instituted price controls.
Other than that, his domestic policy was pretty good.


Wait.

A republican, that ordered price controls?

holy.

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Postby Vince Vaughn » Tue Oct 03, 2017 10:16 am

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Postby Ethel mermania » Tue Oct 03, 2017 10:48 am

The Blaatschapen wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:Perspective is key.


Indeed. It's not been a decade since Bush Jr left office. Long term effects usually take a few years to be seen.


I feel bad for Bush jr. He was suppose to be the "compassionate conservative " then 9/11 and it went all out the window. The iraqI war was such a huge mistake, and it just can't be undone.
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Postby Wallenburg » Tue Oct 03, 2017 11:09 am

Ethel mermania wrote:
The Blaatschapen wrote:Indeed. It's not been a decade since Bush Jr left office. Long term effects usually take a few years to be seen.


I feel bad for Bush jr. He was suppose to be the "compassionate conservative " then 9/11 and it went all out the window. The iraqI war was such a huge mistake, and it just can't be undone.

We could start by ending it. That would up Trump's score. ;)
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Postby The Blaatschapen » Tue Oct 03, 2017 11:13 am

Wallenburg wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:
I feel bad for Bush jr. He was suppose to be the "compassionate conservative " then 9/11 and it went all out the window. The iraqI war was such a huge mistake, and it just can't be undone.

We could start by ending it. That would up Trump's score. ;)


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Postby Exxosia » Tue Oct 03, 2017 11:13 am

I would have to say Calvin Coolidge since he came closest to actually doing the job somewhat correctly.
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Postby Eisen Wolf Reich » Tue Oct 03, 2017 11:35 am

Roosevelt. Roosevelt. Roosevelt. The Big T, not that Franklin cripple constitution violating reject.
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Postby Empire of-the-isles » Tue Oct 03, 2017 11:40 am

JFK, Lincoln was kind of a tyrant.
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Postby Stonok » Tue Oct 03, 2017 11:40 am

Eisen Wolf Reich wrote:Roosevelt. Roosevelt. Roosevelt. The Big T, not that Franklin cripple constitution violating reject.

No need to be so hard on ol' Franky
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Postby Eisen Wolf Reich » Tue Oct 03, 2017 11:44 am

Stonok wrote:
Eisen Wolf Reich wrote:Roosevelt. Roosevelt. Roosevelt. The Big T, not that Franklin cripple constitution violating reject.

No need to be so hard on ol' Franky


Any president who breaks the constitution on multiple occasions, try to run more than twice, and puts people in camps is a terrible president.
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Postby United Islamic Commonwealth » Tue Oct 03, 2017 12:39 pm

Eisen Wolf Reich wrote:
Stonok wrote:No need to be so hard on ol' Franky


Any president who breaks the constitution on multiple occasions, try to run more than twice, and puts people in camps is a terrible president.

What? To address just one point, term limits are idiotic. If the people keep electing them, what the hell is the problem?
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