The 'Best' U.S. President

[Wallenburg]

I can't think about a "best" president. I can think of a number of presidents that weren't that bad, but no best.

As for worst presidents...Nixon and FDR. Not a fan of the overrated Lincoln either.

Why not Lincoln, specifically?

[Farnhamia]

I can't think about a "best" president. I can think of a number of presidents that weren't that bad, but no best.

As for worst presidents...Nixon and FDR. Not a fan of the overrated Lincoln either.

Why not Lincoln, specifically?

He didn't care for black people, so everything else he did is invalidated.

[The Liberated Territories]

I can't think about a "best" president. I can think of a number of presidents that weren't that bad, but no best.

As for worst presidents...Nixon and FDR. Not a fan of the overrated Lincoln either.

Why not Lincoln, specifically?

Imposing martial law, imprisoning thousands, forcing an unpopular war that caused draft riots, and setting the modern precedent of presidents declaring "war" without Congressional approval. Furthermore, as a man of his time, his solution to freed blacks after the war was to simply ship all the African-Americans back to Africa, something which implemented would have been disastrous.

Did slavery need to end? Yes, very much so, but I think I can critique the means used to end it.

[Neanderthaland]

Jefferson. Despite his flaws.

At least until Al Franken.

[The Union of Continental States]

1. Washington
2. Lincoln
3. Adams/Jefferson (Tied)
4. Reagan
5. Franklin D. Roosevelt

[Ameriganastan]

I nominate Benjamin Franklin.

I thought he was a president until I was 7...

[Wallenburg]

Why not Lincoln, specifically?

Imposing martial law, imprisoning thousands,

Those are the parts that I don't like about him. However, compared to the need to keep the nation together during civil war, its not as egregious as it would be if a president were to do so any time in the last 100 years.

forcing an unpopular war that caused draft riots, and setting the modern precedent of presidents declaring "war" without Congressional approval.

The US government's position was that the states were experiencing insurrection, not that a sovereign nation had begun to exist in the South. In addition, the confederates instigated the Civil War by seizing federal property and firing on federal troops.

Furthermore, as a man of his time, his solution to freed blacks after the war was to simply ship all the African-Americans back to Africa, something which implemented would have been disastrous.

That was also pretty bad.

Did slavery need to end? Yes, very much so, but I think I can critique the means used to end it.

The Emancipation Proclamation and the 13th Amendment (which he openly endorsed before his death) were pretty good means, TBH.

[Stonok]

The Emancipation Proclamation and the 13th Amendment (which he openly endorsed before his death) were pretty good means, TBH.

The Emancipation Proclamation was a war tactic, it only "freed" slaves in rebel states, where frankly Lincoln didn't have the means to free them until the South was reconquered. Really all it was good for was stirring unrest within enemy territory.

[Cedoria]

The Emancipation Proclamation and the 13th Amendment (which he openly endorsed before his death) were pretty good means, TBH.

The Emancipation Proclamation was a war tactic, it only "freed" slaves in rebel states, where frankly Lincoln didn't have the means to free them until the South was reconquered. Really all it was good for was stirring unrest within enemy territory.

That's what it was intended to be.

Arguably that did contribute, since arguably freedom couldn't have come for the slaves until the slave-holding class had been defeated militarily.

[Farnhamia]

The Emancipation Proclamation was a war tactic, it only "freed" slaves in rebel states, where frankly Lincoln didn't have the means to free them until the South was reconquered. Really all it was good for was stirring unrest within enemy territory.

That's what it was intended to be.

Arguably that did contribute, since arguably freedom couldn't have come for the slaves until the slave-holding class had been defeated militarily.

And this has arguably become something of a diversion to a thread about ranking all US presidents, not discussing Mr. Lincoln.

[Zanera]

That's what it was intended to be.

Arguably that did contribute, since arguably freedom couldn't have come for the slaves until the slave-holding class had been defeated militarily.

And this has arguably become something of a diversion to a thread about ranking all US presidents, not discussing Mr. Lincoln.

But what if it helps explain why Lincoln is/isn't the bomb diggity?

[Wallenburg]

That's what it was intended to be.

Arguably that did contribute, since arguably freedom couldn't have come for the slaves until the slave-holding class had been defeated militarily.

And this has arguably become something of a diversion to a thread about ranking all US presidents, not discussing Mr. Lincoln.

Has it? Is less than half a page of related conversation really bordering on a threadjack? I'd hope that we'd do more than post lists of which presidents we like and then leave.

1. Washington
2. Lincoln
3. Adams/Jefferson (Tied)
4. Reagan
5. Franklin D. Roosevelt

That's a rather curious list, with names from all across the political and governmental spectrum. Your admiration of both Adams and Jefferson, and of Reagan and FDR is unusual.

[Farnhamia]

And this has arguably become something of a diversion to a thread about ranking all US presidents, not discussing Mr. Lincoln.

But what if it helps explain why Lincoln is/isn't the bomb diggity?

Yeah, but these things have a tendency to take on lives of their own and suck all the air in the thread into themselves.

[Zanera]

But what if it helps explain why Lincoln is/isn't the bomb diggity?

Yeah, but these things have a tendency to take on lives of their own and suck all the air in the thread into themselves.

It's about the best US president, and since NSG lends itself to discussion, I'd think there'd be a lot to discuss on this topic with every president proposed. Unless this is a thread where you post a guy n' leave. Then that sounds like F7.

[Wallenburg]

But what if it helps explain why Lincoln is/isn't the bomb diggity?

Yeah, but these things have a tendency to take on lives of their own and suck all the air in the thread into themselves.

Yeah, but these things have a tendency to take on lives of their own and suck all the air in the thread into themselves.

It's about the best US president, and since NSG lends itself to discussion, I'd think there'd be a lot to discuss on this topic with every president proposed. Unless this is a thread where you post a guy n' leave. Then that sounds like F7.

More or less what I thought. No offense to F7, of course. That just isn't my cup of tea. We can have plenty of discussions going on at the same time, discussing the merits of the "best" president.

[Crockerland]

That's what it was intended to be.

Arguably that did contribute, since arguably freedom couldn't have come for the slaves until the slave-holding class had been defeated militarily.

And this has arguably become something of a diversion to a thread about ranking all US presidents, not discussing Mr. Lincoln.

Not sure where you got the idea that this is a "thread about ranking all US presidents", that is very clearly not the point of the thread, as laid out in the OP:

In this thread we will discuss who was the best US President and why they are good.

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So NSG who was the 'best' US President in your opinion and why.

If Lincoln is a serious contender for best US president, as he clearly is given the number of people to have listed him, including Bearstin, Destructive Government Economic System, The United Dark Republic, Darmen, Jiyon, Omnonia, The Union of Continental States, and The Of Japan, then obviously we're going to discuss his merits in detail, that's the point of the thread.

[Rusozak]

I would have to say FDR. Held the nation together during one of the worst periods of modern history, and I can't really think of any times he made a bad move.

[The of Japan]

I would have to say FDR. Held the nation together during one of the worst periods of modern history, and I can't really think of any times he made a bad move.

You forgot about internment homebody?

[Cedoria]

But what if it helps explain why Lincoln is/isn't the bomb diggity?

Yeah, but these things have a tendency to take on lives of their own and suck all the air in the thread into themselves.

Apologies Farn:) Please don't hurt me

/me gives cookies.

[Rusozak]

I would have to say FDR. Held the nation together during one of the worst periods of modern history, and I can't really think of any times he made a bad move.

You forgot about internment homebody?

Okay, I'll give you that. America always does shitty things in wartime though. Compared to other wartime presidents and just all the presidents in general, he was mostly benevolent.

[Tyrannistate]

That would be the One and Only God Emperor Donald Trump

[Vassenor]

That would be the One and Only God Emperor Donald Trump

So what has he actually done to earn the title? Because good presidents don't run off to play golf in the middle of national crises.

[Kannadrickenium]

Warren G. Harding. He had a really interesting life which will be made into a film soon.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwnAPqpDj6c&t=28s

[Aguaria Major]

Either FDR, on account of the fact his administration and military won WWII, while the New Deal was directly responsible for ushering in the prosperity of the 1950's-1970's, or Lincoln, given he won the Civil War and whipped those goddamn Southern hicks, and freed the slaves.

[Albrenia]

Either FDR, on account of the fact his administration and military won WWII, while the New Deal was directly responsible for ushering in the prosperity of the 1950's-1970's, or Lincoln, given he won the Civil War and whipped those goddamn Southern hicks, and freed the slaves.

You make some good points, but did he vomit on any world leaders?