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Postby Ifreann » Mon Oct 02, 2017 10:07 am

Thermodolia wrote:
Camicon wrote:I'm certain there are 58 families today who really don't care whether or not you're slightly inconvenienced by things like "background checks"and "firearms licenses".

Even if they don't work? Because none of that would have prevented what happened today

Do we know yet how he got all these guns? If not then it's probably too early to say what would and would not have prevented this shooting.

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Postby Nakena » Mon Oct 02, 2017 10:07 am

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The Alma Mater wrote:To return to the antifa accusation: it seems an antifa twitter account actually HAS claimed the attack...

Although that ofc could also be faked.

Melbourne? Because the Antifa melboure Facebook page claimed it as well. This isn't going to end well if true


Marilou was from straya, but thats unlikely.

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Don't start the story with sirens blazing, don't have photographs of the killer/s, don't make it 24/7 coverage, don't make the body count lead story.

The regulation of these things could reduce incidents.


Not the worst idea. I got my live updates from police scanner and /pol/ anyways.

They had crucial information before the MSM.

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Postby Greater Cesnica » Mon Oct 02, 2017 10:08 am

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Greater Cesnica wrote:There MAY be a second shooter on the run. Just saying.

Do you have a source or are you just trying to get a response?

I was just wondering, because of these two broken windows:

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Do you think maybe they could be two separate rooms? Or am I just jumping to conclusions?
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Postby Camicon » Mon Oct 02, 2017 10:08 am

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Camicon wrote:I'm certain there are 58 families today who really don't care whether or not you're slightly inconvenienced by things like "background checks"and "firearms licenses".

And I'm sorry for them. Isn't going to change my mind on the stupid crap put forward.

Because people are less important than your right to obtain deadly weapons with the greatest of ease. Oh, sorry, ah, "right to bear arms". Natch.
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Postby Thermodolia » Mon Oct 02, 2017 10:08 am

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Thermodolia wrote:Even if they don't work? Because none of that would have prevented what happened today

Seriously, I'll pay postage for that crystal ball of yours, I've got a test on Friday and I'd like to know how I'll do.

We went over this already. Let's not beat the poor horse.

But again, it's extremely easy to smuggle things across the border
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Mon Oct 02, 2017 10:08 am

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Internationalist Bastard wrote:All the articles have said there's a women of interest, though that can mean anything

She's in police custody

Then I have no clue, I'm getting news practically third hand
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Postby Greater Cesnica » Mon Oct 02, 2017 10:08 am

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Thermodolia wrote:Even if they don't work? Because none of that would have prevented what happened today

Do we know yet how he got all these guns? If not then it's probably too early to say what would and would not have prevented this shooting.

Yeah, the sheer number of rifles this guy had is insane. Plus, he had no known criminal record, so background checks wouldn't have done jackshit.
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Postby Kash Island » Mon Oct 02, 2017 10:09 am

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Sovaal wrote:And I'm sorry for them. Isn't going to change my mind on the stupid crap put forward.

Because people are less important than your right to obtain deadly weapons with the greatest of ease. Oh, sorry, ah, "right to bear arms". Natch.


So you would condemn those who have saved their/loved ones lives with firearms to death then?
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Postby Thermodolia » Mon Oct 02, 2017 10:09 am

Greater Cesnica wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Do you have a source or are you just trying to get a response?

I was just wondering, because of these two broken windows:

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Do you think maybe they could be two separate rooms? Or am I just jumping to conclusions?

Those corner rooms are quite large. So yes I think you are jumping quite a bit
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Postby Camicon » Mon Oct 02, 2017 10:09 am

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Camicon wrote:Seriously, I'll pay postage for that crystal ball of yours, I've got a test on Friday and I'd like to know how I'll do.

We went over this already. Let's not beat the poor horse.

But again, it's extremely easy to smuggle things across the border

Stop stating speculation as fact and I'll ease off the horse. Agreed?
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Mon Oct 02, 2017 10:09 am

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Thermodolia wrote:Do you have a source or are you just trying to get a response?

I was just wondering, because of these two broken windows:

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Do you think maybe they could be two separate rooms? Or am I just jumping to conclusions?

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Postby Thermodolia » Mon Oct 02, 2017 10:09 am

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Thermodolia wrote:Even if they don't work? Because none of that would have prevented what happened today

Do we know yet how he got all these guns? If not then it's probably too early to say what would and would not have prevented this shooting.

No you are right. Until then we should probably hold off on that
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Postby Gauthier » Mon Oct 02, 2017 10:10 am

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Camicon wrote:Because people are less important than your right to obtain deadly weapons with the greatest of ease. Oh, sorry, ah, "right to bear arms". Natch.


So you would condemn those who have saved their/loved ones lives with firearms to death then?

Good Guys With Guns sure did wonders here.
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Postby Greater Cesnica » Mon Oct 02, 2017 10:10 am

Thermodolia wrote:
Greater Cesnica wrote:I was just wondering, because of these two broken windows:

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Do you think maybe they could be two separate rooms? Or am I just jumping to conclusions?

Those corner rooms are quite large. So yes I think you are jumping quite a bit

Alright then. That doesn't mean I'm looking for a reaction though, does it?
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Postby Sovaal » Mon Oct 02, 2017 10:11 am

Camicon wrote:
Sovaal wrote:And I'm sorry for them. Isn't going to change my mind on the stupid crap put forward.

Because people are less important than your right to obtain deadly weapons with the greatest of ease. Oh, sorry, ah, "right to bear arms". Natch.

Ah, down to strawmanning are we? Anyway, while tragic, it doesn't change my opinion that self defense from all threats and access to the means is a human right. That's not to say that I'm opposed to licensing and training. But you go ahead and put words in my mouth and strawman my position if it makes you feel good about yourself.
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Postby Ifreann » Mon Oct 02, 2017 10:11 am

Greater Cesnica wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Do you have a source or are you just trying to get a response?

I was just wondering, because of these two broken windows:

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Do you think maybe they could be two separate rooms? Or am I just jumping to conclusions?

Just jumping to conclusions.

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Postby Greater Cesnica » Mon Oct 02, 2017 10:11 am

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So you would condemn those who have saved their/loved ones lives with firearms to death then?

Good Guys With Guns sure did wonders here.

There are so many cases where civilians with guns actually stopped shootings before they happened or in the early stages of them.
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So you would condemn those who have saved their/loved ones lives with firearms to death then?

Good Guys With Guns sure did wonders here.

Most people can't got a point target with their pistol from 300 meters away.

Correction: nobody can shoot a point target with their pistol at 300 meters away.
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Camicon wrote:Because people are less important than your right to obtain deadly weapons with the greatest of ease. Oh, sorry, ah, "right to bear arms". Natch.


So you would condemn those who have saved their/loved ones lives with firearms to death then?

Give me stats on how often that happens.

I mean, good luck finding any. You can thank the NRA for killing all attempts at establishing a national database to track firearm violence.
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Keshiland wrote:In 1 shooting more people were shot in 15 minutes then a year in Canada. Or a decade in the UK or any other EU state. Only in America.


Bataclan proves you wrong. Totally so.

So does Beslan school siege I mean 385 dead there, Moscow theater hostage crisis about 170 dead their as well
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Postby Nakena » Mon Oct 02, 2017 10:12 am

Greater Cesnica wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Those corner rooms are quite large. So yes I think you are jumping quite a bit

Alright then. That doesn't mean I'm looking for a reaction though, does it?


Get a plan of the Hotel and check.

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Bataclan proves you wrong. Totally so.

So does Beslan school siege I mean 385 dead there, Moscow theater hostage crisis about 170 dead their as well


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Postby Kash Island » Mon Oct 02, 2017 10:12 am

Camicon wrote:
Kash Island wrote:
So you would condemn those who have saved their/loved ones lives with firearms to death then?

Give me stats on how often that happens.

I mean, good luck finding any. You can thank the NRA for killing all attempts at establishing a national database to track firearm violence.


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Gig em Aggies wrote:
Nakena wrote:

Bataclan proves you wrong. Totally so.

So does Beslan school siege I mean 385 dead there, Moscow theater hostage crisis about 170 dead their as well


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Postby Camicon » Mon Oct 02, 2017 10:14 am

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Camicon wrote:Because people are less important than your right to obtain deadly weapons with the greatest of ease. Oh, sorry, ah, "right to bear arms". Natch.

Ah, down to strawmanning are we? Anyway, while tragic, it doesn't change my opinion that self defense from all threats and access to the means is a human right. That's not to say that I'm opposed to licensing and training. But you go ahead and put words in my mouth and strawman my position if it makes you feel good about yourself.

You said that you don't agree with background checks on all sales, or firearm licenses for ownership and carry. That's not a strawman. Those are the most basic firearm regulations possible. They make it slightly more difficult to obtain a deadly weapon, and you don't agree with them.

Your words, my application to reality.
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Postby Greater Cesnica » Mon Oct 02, 2017 10:14 am

The Empire of Pretantia wrote:
Gauthier wrote:Good Guys With Guns sure did wonders here.

Most people can't got a point target with their pistol from 300 meters away.

Correction: nobody can shoot a point target with their pistol at 300 meters away.

The World Record is 1000 yards or something
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