Mass Shooting at Mandalay Bay, Las Vegas

[San Lumen]

and yet again you didn't answer my question?

I have, like sixteen thousand times. Assault rifles are for shooting bad guys.

Oh gosh this is pointless. That sounds like NRA logic. If this person or that person had a gun then this shooting wouldn't have happened.

[Gauthier]

It's a valid question considering you're arguing semiautos have legitimate civilian applications.

Didn't know that you couldn't own and use semi-autos with out ever even touching a bump fire stock.

So there's no reason civilians should have bump stocks?

[San Lumen]

In the forlorn hope of getting y'all to stop yelling at each other, may I ask a question for those on the pro-gun side of the fence?

What sort of measures would you like taken in response to this tragedy? These don't have to be gun control measures obviously, but things you think would strike a good balance of making this sort of thing less likely, but keep your rights in place?

mandate more stringent background and mental health checks for all buyers, limit magazine size, require safety's on all guns to start and ban assault weapons.

[Telconi]

In the forlorn hope of getting y'all to stop yelling at each other, may I ask a question for those on the pro-gun side of the fence?

What sort of measures would you like taken in response to this tragedy? These don't have to be gun control measures obviously, but things you think would strike a good balance of making this sort of thing less likely, but keep your rights in place?

Not certain, expanded criminal justice reform would help overall l, even if probably not for this particular incident. As of the moment with few and conflicting reports as to the motive behind this bastard's act it would be difficult to formulate

[Dooom35796821595]

That doesn't sound unreasonable.

There''s nothing beyond loose circumstantial evidence that these people might be mentally incompetent to own or operate a firearm. I personally don't see it as reasonable to remove a fundamental right from someone based upon such shaky evidence. It would be like the government passing a regulation saying that someone who is both Hispanic, and asks for their ballot in Spanish doesn't get to vote.

I assume it would require the individual be unable to manage their own finances, otherwise there would be a lot of rich people on that list.
Isn't that enough? And it's not a fundamental right, it's a constitutional one.

It's really not. And I don't think you can ask for a ballot to be in a different language, due to all the problems that would cause.

[Sovaal]

Didn't know that you couldn't own and use semi-autos with out ever even touching a bump fire stock.

So there's no reason civilians should have bump stocks?

I've never made an argument for or against one.

Of course, I really don't see the use for one imho.

[The of Japan]

In the forlorn hope of getting y'all to stop yelling at each other, may I ask a question for those on the pro-gun side of the fence?

What sort of measures would you like taken in response to this tragedy? These don't have to be gun control measures obviously, but things you think would strike a good balance of making this sort of thing less likely, but keep your rights in place?

reform mental healthcare in the US

[Len Hyet]

I have, like sixteen thousand times. Assault rifles are for shooting bad guys.

Oh gosh this is pointless. That sounds like NRA logic. If this person or that person had a gun then this shooting wouldn't have happened.

You ever stop to think there might be a reason that, what's the statistic 93% of mass shootings have happened in gun free zones? Sure, someone with a concealed carry wouldn't have stopped this tragedy. But here and here are two MCIs stopped by a good guy with a gun.

[Thermodolia]

The first two don't, if executed correctly. Don't know what a "safety pin" is. I have a right to an "assalt weapon" and taking away something I have a right to is wrong.

what the hell do you need an assault weapon for? Are you in an army regiment? A safety pin prevents the gun from being fired if its in locked position.

Assault weapon is a meaningless term. We've been over this dude

[Telconi]

There''s nothing beyond loose circumstantial evidence that these people might be mentally incompetent to own or operate a firearm. I personally don't see it as reasonable to remove a fundamental right from someone based upon such shaky evidence. It would be like the government passing a regulation saying that someone who is both Hispanic, and asks for their ballot in Spanish doesn't get to vote.

I assume it would require the individual be unable to manage their own finances, otherwise there would be a lot of rich people on that list.
Isn't that enough? And it's not a fundamental right, it's a constitutional one.

It's really not. And I don't think you can ask for a ballot to be in a different language, due to all the problems that would cause.

Your assumption would be wrong. Enumeration in the US Constitution doesn't make something less fundamental. Yes you can, as a matter of fact ours here are automatically English/Spanish.

[San Lumen]

what the hell do you need an assault weapon for? Are you in an army regiment? A safety pin prevents the gun from being fired if its in locked position.

Assault weapon is a meaningless term. We've been over this dude

I would bring back the Assault Weapons Ban that expired in 2004

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_A ... eapons_Ban

[Len Hyet]

Assault weapon is a meaningless term. We've been over this dude

I would bring back the Assault Weapons Ban that expired in 2004

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_A ... eapons_Ban

The one that was proven numerous times to have zero impact on homicide rates or mass shooting numbers? That one?

[Thermodolia]

No further exploration was done, the regulation as it previously existed placed anyone who both A) received social security benefits and B) had someone other than themselves manage finances, on the no guns list in NICS.

That doesn't sound unreasonable.

Obviously that dosen't require an individual to have a diagnosed mental illness to be placed on the no gun list, just to show symptoms of mental infirmness.

However you'd cry foul if they used that to ban people from doing other things. Like getting married or driving or anything else

[Albrenia]

In the forlorn hope of getting y'all to stop yelling at each other, may I ask a question for those on the pro-gun side of the fence?

What sort of measures would you like taken in response to this tragedy? These don't have to be gun control measures obviously, but things you think would strike a good balance of making this sort of thing less likely, but keep your rights in place?

Not certain, expanded criminal justice reform would help overall l, even if probably not for this particular incident. As of the moment with few and conflicting reports as to the motive behind this bastard's act it would be difficult to formulate

Agreed. Without knowing what made him do this, it is difficult to know what could have been done to stop it.

I briefly considered 'lateral' ideas like bulletproof glass on windows facing public entertainment areas, but that would do little but make it harder to rescue people in the event of a fire and such.

[Telconi]

I would bring back the Assault Weapons Ban that expired in 2004

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_A ... eapons_Ban

The one that was proven numerous times to have zero impact on homicide rates or mass shooting numbers? That one?

Because "stop mass shootings" is just dog whistle for "oppress these people who we don't like"

[Thermodolia]

Repair/warranty work (assuming it's an outdoor store like Cabelas/Bass Pro Shop/Gander Mountain/etc)? No way to secure it in your vehicle before/after going to the range/hunting (assuming an open top vehicle with no lockable trunk)?

Last time i checked places like Wal Mart and Target don't sell guns.

Um the mart of wal does indeed sell guns

[San Lumen]

I would bring back the Assault Weapons Ban that expired in 2004

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_A ... eapons_Ban

The one that was proven numerous times to have zero impact on homicide rates or mass shooting numbers? That one?

Did we have mass shootings on regular basis before that Ban expired cuz when I was growing up I don't recall hearing about one every few months.

[The of Japan]

Assault weapon is a meaningless term. We've been over this dude

I would bring back the Assault Weapons Ban that expired in 2004

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_A ... eapons_Ban

how does a grip make a gun bad?

[The of Japan]

The one that was proven numerous times to have zero impact on homicide rates or mass shooting numbers? That one?

Did we have mass shootings on regular basis before that Ban expired cuz when I was growing up I don't recall hearing about one every few months.

did it prevent people obtaining them, legally or illegally, whom conducted said mass shootings?

[Sovaal]

In the forlorn hope of getting y'all to stop yelling at each other, may I ask a question for those on the pro-gun side of the fence?

What sort of measures would you like taken in response to this tragedy? These don't have to be gun control measures obviously, but things you think would strike a good balance of making this sort of thing less likely, but keep your rights in place?

I wouldn't mind more extensive back ground checks, classes, or mental check ups. I see these as far more doable then banning "assault weapons", which aren't that different from other common firearms that aren't targeted nearly as much.

[Thermodolia]

Where did I say anything of the sort?

It's a valid question considering you're arguing semiautos have legitimate civilian applications.

No it's not. Bump stocks are illegal, last time i checked. Why are you putting words in my mouth?

[Len Hyet]

The one that was proven numerous times to have zero impact on homicide rates or mass shooting numbers? That one?

Did we have mass shootings on regular basis before that Ban expired cuz when I was growing up I don't recall hearing about one every few months.

Hm. Gosh I can't remember. Did we have mass shootings before 2004. Hm. Hmmmmmmm. Gosh I can't remember. I feel like there's something... Colombia? No that's not it. Colorado? No, no that's not it either.

Well why don't you read about it a bit while I try to remember what wildly infamous mass shooting happened before 2004.

[Sovaal]

Assault weapon is a meaningless term. We've been over this dude

I would bring back the Assault Weapons Ban that expired in 2004

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_A ... eapons_Ban

Really? It was freaking useless. Pretty much all it did was ban scary features that didn't affect firearm function at all. you could still buy ARs and AKs during the ban.

[Thermodolia]

In the forlorn hope of getting y'all to stop yelling at each other, may I ask a question for those on the pro-gun side of the fence?

What sort of measures would you like taken in response to this tragedy? These don't have to be gun control measures obviously, but things you think would strike a good balance of making this sort of thing less likely, but keep your rights in place?

We really need to give people more mental health care. I know it's easier said than done but we need to remove the mental health stigma in our nation. It's not helping anyone

[Albrenia]

In the forlorn hope of getting y'all to stop yelling at each other, may I ask a question for those on the pro-gun side of the fence?

What sort of measures would you like taken in response to this tragedy? These don't have to be gun control measures obviously, but things you think would strike a good balance of making this sort of thing less likely, but keep your rights in place?

I wouldn't mind more extensive back ground checks, classes, or mental check ups. I see these as far more doable then banning "assault weapons", which aren't that different from other common firearms that aren't targeted nearly as much.

Classes on weapon safety being free for people owning guns sounds good to me. Would help to prevent accidental shootings at least, by reducing the number of people who buy a gun but never actually learn how to properly keep them.

EDIT Response to Therm above:
Very true. Removing the stigma on mental health would certainly help bring in people to get help long before they reach the depths of illness where shooting people randomly seems like a good idea.