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Postby San Lumen » Tue Oct 03, 2017 2:27 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
San Lumen wrote:The second one is what you should be using. Im sorry you think Shredding the deer with bullets is fun and humane or nessacery.

They are the exact same. The only difference is that the first one is black and has scary attachments. They literally fire the same ammunition and are both semi-auto

How are they exactly the same? the brown one looks like it can only shoot one or two bullets at a time. Ive seen guns like that in person. They are not semi automatic.
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Postby Thermodolia » Tue Oct 03, 2017 2:29 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:They are the exact same. The only difference is that the first one is black and has scary attachments. They literally fire the same ammunition and are both semi-auto

How are they exactly the same? the brown one looks like it can only shoot one or two bullets at a time. Ive seen guns like that in person. They are not semi automatic.

Looks aren't everything dude. You have already shown that you know jackshit about guns.

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Postby Gauthier » Tue Oct 03, 2017 2:29 pm

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Gauthier wrote:Stop being a hypocrite. Call for abolishing all other criminal laws because they never prevent crime.

Actually, Gauth, that's not my point. I asked you to name one law that would have prevented this. You couldn't fucking do it. You admitted as much. So now you want to pass useless laws for what reason exactly? To make everyone feel better?

I don't expect laws to stop all crime. But I do want laws that actually serve a purpose beyond making you feel better.

That is some mighty fine cognitive dissonance. Murder laws obviously didn't stop Paddock from killing 50 people so we better abolish those because they're just feel good measures too right? You're just opposed to gun regulation because you're scared the Big Bad Gubmint is going to come for your guns.
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Postby Telconi » Tue Oct 03, 2017 2:30 pm

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New Decandsor wrote:You and others didn't write the Constitution. Many American citizens (including myself) will defend our right to bear arms.

I don't think the Founding Fathers would be ok with a country where people own semi automatic weapons and dozens of people are killed in mass shootings every few months. Nor would they have agreed with a right to any and all firearms and unregulated access to any and all firearms.


These are the people who allowed and encourage private citizens to purchase and operate battleships crewed entirely by their personal employees, I doubt they'd find the logical evolution of an infantry rifle objectionable.
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Postby San Lumen » Tue Oct 03, 2017 2:30 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
San Lumen wrote:How are they exactly the same? the brown one looks like it can only shoot one or two bullets at a time. Ive seen guns like that in person. They are not semi automatic.

Looks aren't everything dude. You have already shown that you know jackshit about guns.

According to some people black people look scary, when in fact they aren't.

The only guns a civilian should be allowed to own are pistols or shotguns.

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Postby Gauthier » Tue Oct 03, 2017 2:32 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
San Lumen wrote:How are they exactly the same? the brown one looks like it can only shoot one or two bullets at a time. Ive seen guns like that in person. They are not semi automatic.

Looks aren't everything dude. You have already shown that you know jackshit about guns.

According to some people black people look scary, when in fact they aren't.

So what purposes do bump stocks serve besides circumventing restrictions on full auto weapons?
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Postby Telconi » Tue Oct 03, 2017 2:32 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Looks aren't everything dude. You have already shown that you know jackshit about guns.

According to some people black people look scary, when in fact they aren't.

The only guns a civilian should be allowed to own are pistols or shotguns.


We all fully understand your opinion, simply restating it isn't an argument.

Also, the bottom rifle pictured is semi-auto and has a magazine capacity equivalent to the top.
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Postby Kramania » Tue Oct 03, 2017 2:32 pm

Gauthier wrote:
Kramania wrote:Actually, Gauth, that's not my point. I asked you to name one law that would have prevented this. You couldn't fucking do it. You admitted as much. So now you want to pass useless laws for what reason exactly? To make everyone feel better?

I don't expect laws to stop all crime. But I do want laws that actually serve a purpose beyond making you feel better.

That is some mighty fine cognitive dissonance. Murder laws obviously didn't stop Paddock from killing 50 people so we better abolish those because they're just feel good laws too right?

You are literally defending the passage of useless laws. The mental gymnastics are fucking Olympic-tier here.

I'll ask you one last time: Name one fucking law that would have prevented this.

You're just opposed to gun regulation because you're scared the Big Bad Gubmint is going to come for Preshus.

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Gauth, sweetie, I'm not opposed to gun regulation. I'm opposed to useless gun laws and leftists like you hijacking these tragedies so you can finally satisfy your wet dream of gun confiscation.
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Postby Keskinen » Tue Oct 03, 2017 2:33 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:They are the exact same. The only difference is that the first one is black and has scary attachments. They literally fire the same ammunition and are both semi-auto

How are they exactly the same? the brown one looks like it can only shoot one or two bullets at a time. Ive seen guns like that in person. They are not semi automatic.

Yes...yes they are, functionally not cosmetically, the exact same. The Mini-14 is a modernized version of the M1 Garand/M1 Carbine/M14 family, all of which are semi-automatic. By the way, semi-automatic means that for one pull of the trigger, the weapon will fire one round and will be able to fire again when the trigger is re-depressed.
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Postby Albrenia » Tue Oct 03, 2017 2:33 pm

Telconi wrote:
San Lumen wrote:I don't think the Founding Fathers would be ok with a country where people own semi automatic weapons and dozens of people are killed in mass shootings every few months. Nor would they have agreed with a right to any and all firearms and unregulated access to any and all firearms.


These are the people who allowed and encourage private citizens to purchase and operate battleships crewed entirely by their personal employees, I doubt they'd find the logical evolution of an infantry rifle objectionable.


Wow. I guess people need private armies to protect themselves from tyranny too? Maybe it's for sport or collecting... Heh...

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Postby Galloism » Tue Oct 03, 2017 2:33 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:They are the exact same. The only difference is that the first one is black and has scary attachments. They literally fire the same ammunition and are both semi-auto

How are they exactly the same? the brown one looks like it can only shoot one or two bullets at a time. Ive seen guns like that in person. They are not semi automatic.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruger_Mini-14

You really need to learn something about guns before talking about them. You're humiliating yourself.
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Postby San Lumen » Tue Oct 03, 2017 2:35 pm

Kramania wrote:
Gauthier wrote:That is some mighty fine cognitive dissonance. Murder laws obviously didn't stop Paddock from killing 50 people so we better abolish those because they're just feel good laws too right?

You are literally defending the passage of useless laws. The mental gymnastics are fucking Olympic-tier here.

I'll ask you one last time: Name one fucking law that would have prevented this.

You're just opposed to gun regulation because you're scared the Big Bad Gubmint is going to come for Preshus.

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Gauth, sweetie, I'm not opposed to gun regulation. I'm opposed to useless gun laws and leftists like you hijacking these tragedies so you can finally satisfy your wet dream of gun confiscation.

For the millionth time no one is advocating confiscating your guns. What do you define as useless gun laws? What is wrong with more backgrounds checks, mental health checks mandating safety pins, or limiting magazine size among other things? All of which were proposed after Sandy Hook but couldn't get passed because Congress listened to the demands of gun nuts and groups like the NRA?
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Postby Gauthier » Tue Oct 03, 2017 2:36 pm

Kramania wrote:
Gauthier wrote:That is some mighty fine cognitive dissonance. Murder laws obviously didn't stop Paddock from killing 50 people so we better abolish those because they're just feel good laws too right?

You are literally defending the passage of useless laws. The mental gymnastics are fucking Olympic-tier here.

I'll ask you one last time: Name one fucking law that would have prevented this.

You're just opposed to gun regulation because you're scared the Big Bad Gubmint is going to come for Preshus.

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Gauth, sweetie, I'm not opposed to gun regulation. I'm opposed to useless gun laws and leftists like you hijacking these tragedies so you can finally satisfy your wet dream of gun confiscation.

Yep. Scared of Gubmint coming for your guns. Want to quote me saying no civilian should ever be allowed firearms, sweetie?
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Postby Kramania » Tue Oct 03, 2017 2:37 pm

Gauthier wrote:
Kramania wrote:You are literally defending the passage of useless laws. The mental gymnastics are fucking Olympic-tier here.

I'll ask you one last time: Name one fucking law that would have prevented this.


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Gauth, sweetie, I'm not opposed to gun regulation. I'm opposed to useless gun laws and leftists like you hijacking these tragedies so you can finally satisfy your wet dream of gun confiscation.

Yep. Scared of Gubmint coming for your guns. Want to quote me saying no civilian should ever be allowed firearms, sweetie?

Hehehe, watching you squirm is fun. I don't actually own any guns. But I think others should be allowed to.

Also you still haven't answered my question. Because you can't.
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Postby Kramania » Tue Oct 03, 2017 2:38 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Kramania wrote:You are literally defending the passage of useless laws. The mental gymnastics are fucking Olympic-tier here.

I'll ask you one last time: Name one fucking law that would have prevented this.


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Gauth, sweetie, I'm not opposed to gun regulation. I'm opposed to useless gun laws and leftists like you hijacking these tragedies so you can finally satisfy your wet dream of gun confiscation.

For the millionth time no one is advocating confiscating your guns. What do you define as useless gun laws? What is wrong with more backgrounds checks, mental health checks mandating safety pins, or limiting magazine size among other things? All of which were proposed after Sandy Hook but couldn't get passed because Congress listened to the demands of loonies in central Missouri and groups like the NRA?

Oh please. You've proposed that we follow in Australia's footsteps. Guns are illegal there. You obviously want gun confiscation. Even if you don't realize it because you're ignorant on the issue.
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Postby Telconi » Tue Oct 03, 2017 2:38 pm

Keskinen wrote:
San Lumen wrote:How are they exactly the same? the brown one looks like it can only shoot one or two bullets at a time. Ive seen guns like that in person. They are not semi automatic.

Yes...yes they are, functionally not cosmetically, the exact same. The Mini-14 is a modernized version of the M1 Garand/M1 Carbine/M14 family, all of which are semi-automatic. By the way, semi-automatic means that for one pull of the trigger, the weapon will fire one round and will be able to fire again when the trigger is re-depressed.


Point of Order, the M1 carbine is a separate design independent of the M1 Garand/M14 design lineage, while it shares such traits as an open top receiver, a rotating bolt, and similar piston design, it was developed separately and independently, and does have functional differences in operation.
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Postby San Lumen » Tue Oct 03, 2017 2:39 pm

Kramania wrote:
Gauthier wrote:Yep. Scared of Gubmint coming for your guns. Want to quote me saying no civilian should ever be allowed firearms, sweetie?

Hehehe, watching you squirm is fun. I don't actually own any guns. But I think others should be allowed to.

Also you still haven't answered my question. Because you can't.

So what do you propose to end the gun violence and mass shooting in America? A problem no other country in world has on the scale of the US. Or should people just accept it as normal?

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Postby San Lumen » Tue Oct 03, 2017 2:40 pm

Kramania wrote:
San Lumen wrote:For the millionth time no one is advocating confiscating your guns. What do you define as useless gun laws? What is wrong with more backgrounds checks, mental health checks mandating safety pins, or limiting magazine size among other things? All of which were proposed after Sandy Hook but couldn't get passed because Congress listened to the demands of loonies in central Missouri and groups like the NRA?

Oh please. You've proposed that we follow in Australia's footsteps. Guns are illegal there. You obviously want gun confiscation. Even if you don't realize it because you're ignorant on the issue.

That would be my ideal but its totally unrealistic. What is wrong with the other things I've proposed? That might have prevented Virginia Tech or other mass shootings in recent years.

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Postby Gauthier » Tue Oct 03, 2017 2:41 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Kramania wrote:Hehehe, watching you squirm is fun. I don't actually own any guns. But I think others should be allowed to.

Also you still haven't answered my question. Because you can't.

So what do you propose to end the gun violence and mass shooting in America? A problem no other country in world has on the scale of the US. Or should people just accept it as normal?

Obviously if people don't have guns they deserve to die, natural selection and all. *nod*
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Postby Kramania » Tue Oct 03, 2017 2:41 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Kramania wrote:Hehehe, watching you squirm is fun. I don't actually own any guns. But I think others should be allowed to.

Also you still haven't answered my question. Because you can't.

So what do you propose to end the gun violence and mass shooting in America? A problem no other country in world has on the scale of the US. Or should people just accept it as normal?

Stronger background checks, mental health checks, better treatment for the mentally ill, etc.

There. Not that hard. Now stop thinking that everyone who doesn't 100% agree with you is opposed to all gun regulation.
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Postby Kramania » Tue Oct 03, 2017 2:42 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Kramania wrote:Oh please. You've proposed that we follow in Australia's footsteps. Guns are illegal there. You obviously want gun confiscation. Even if you don't realize it because you're ignorant on the issue.

That would be my ideal but its totally unrealistic. What is wrong with the other things I've proposed? That might have prevented Virginia Tech or other mass shootings in recent years.

You're a funny little tyrant.
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Postby Telconi » Tue Oct 03, 2017 2:42 pm

Albrenia wrote:
Telconi wrote:
These are the people who allowed and encourage private citizens to purchase and operate battleships crewed entirely by their personal employees, I doubt they'd find the logical evolution of an infantry rifle objectionable.


Wow. I guess people need private armies to protect themselves from tyranny too? Maybe it's for sport or collecting... Heh...


I highly doubt that pricate battleships are needed, and wouldn't be too upset if they weren't allowed, but the point is the founding fathers were routine proponents of civilian participation in military operations.
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Postby San Lumen » Tue Oct 03, 2017 2:42 pm

Kramania wrote:
San Lumen wrote:So what do you propose to end the gun violence and mass shooting in America? A problem no other country in world has on the scale of the US. Or should people just accept it as normal?

Stronger background checks, mental health checks, better treatment for the mentally ill, etc.

There. Not that hard. Now stop thinking that everyone who doesn't 100% agree with you is opposed to all gun regulation.

Then tell me why Congress wont pass it and continues to make it easier to buy guns and have less and less regulation. They recently removed regulations regarding mentally ill people buying guns.
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Postby Kramania » Tue Oct 03, 2017 2:42 pm

Gauthier wrote:
San Lumen wrote:So what do you propose to end the gun violence and mass shooting in America? A problem no other country in world has on the scale of the US. Or should people just accept it as normal?

Obviously if people don't have guns they deserve to die, natural selection and all. *nod*

And now you're back to sniping and being a cheap shot artist.

Shitposters always resort back to their old tactics.
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Postby The Lone Alliance » Tue Oct 03, 2017 2:42 pm

San Lumen wrote:For the millionth time no one is advocating confiscating your guns.


San Lumen wrote:
The only guns a civilian should be allowed to own are pistols or shotguns.

That means you support confiscating guns that aren't pistols or shotguns.
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