Mass Shooting at Mandalay Bay, Las Vegas

[New Decandsor]

We can't ask them. They wrote the Constitution for us, and it defends the right to bear arms. Note that I am not against regulations or background checks here.

Im glad we are on the same same page then. Sadly Congress is too much in the pocket of the gun lobby to pass more regulations and better background checks and more regulations and what type of guns you can own.

It's not that Congress is in the gun lobby's pocket, it's that Congress is severely divided on issues like this because of it's natural controversy. If you pass it, people will say it goes against the 2nd amendment, if it doesn't, people will say that Congress isn't doing enough to save lives.

[Kramania]

I use my AR15 for target shooting. It is lightweight, accurate, and with the 30 round magazines, I can spend more time perfecting my hobby. Now, with an appropriate caliber and size magazine, I can use it to hunt with (IIRC, CT requires a minimum caliber of 6mm/.243 and a maximum mag capacity of 5 rounds while hunting deer).

Yeah cuz shedding that deer with rapid fire bullets is so humane and nessacery. And Im sorry you find killing innocent beautiful creatures for sport to be a hobby.

[Kramania]

And you have just opened yourself up to a lawsuit, especially if you didn't know that they had a gun. Congrats.

If they were carrying a rifle then id ask them to leave. Im not going to have everyone searched for pistols i cant see. You want to carry a gun place it where i cant see it. The only people who should have guns in open carry are police officers.

But you don't like police.

[San Lumen]

Im glad we are on the same same page then. Sadly Congress is too much in the pocket of the gun lobby to pass more regulations and better background checks and more regulations and what type of guns you can own.

It's not that Congress is in the gun lobby's pocket, it's that Congress is severely divided on issues like this because of it's natural controversy. If you pass it, people will say it goes against the 2nd amendment, if it doesn't, people will say that Congress isn't doing enough to save lives.

If they didn't pander to the NRA and weren't so afraid of them Im sure there is middle ground that could be found.

[Gauthier]

Nevada's gun laws- which is practically the NRA's wet dream- failed to stop a Bad Guy With a Bunch of Guns before he inflicted casualties usually unreal outside of a video game then shot himself as a "Fuck You" to Las Vegas police.

Of course this being the U.S. the most realistic outcome is nothing will be done- proving The Onion is no longer satire. Mental healthcare funding will be brought up as a deflection and perpetuation of the Mentally Il People Are Psycho Killers stereotype, although it won't happen because Republicans hate free healthcare for poor people as they've shown at least 3 times this year.

Unless of course the NRA pushes for mandatory open carry on a federal level, and maybe deregulation of full automatics and destructive devices. Because the only thing that can stop a Bad Guy With a Gun, is a Good Guy With a Thompson and an M79.

Name me a law that would have prevented this.

I'll wait.

Tick tock.

Laws against drunk driving, theft, murder, rape, so on and so forth never stop them from happening yet they still exist. It's fucking convenient that gun laws are the only ones held up to the "If They Don't Even Stop A Single Incident They're FUCKING WORTHLESS" standard. If consistency was actually applied the nation would be a warlord infested anarchy.

[San Lumen]

If they were carrying a rifle then id ask them to leave. Im not going to have everyone searched for pistols i cant see. You want to carry a gun place it where i cant see it. The only people who should have guns in open carry are police officers.

But you don't like police.

I never said anything of the sort. And dodging a reply yet again. And what does the screenshot you posted have to do with anything?

[Gun Manufacturers]

Yeah cuz riddling a deer with bullets is great fun.

https://cdn3.volusion.com/j4enh.r2en5/v/vspfiles/photos/BCM%20Carry%20Handle%20AR-15-3.jpg?1456827038
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/18/Mini14GB.jpg/1200px-Mini14GB.jpg

Tell me, which of these is more suitable for deer hunting and as to why?

Neither, caliber isn't high enough (at least, in my state).

[Kramania]

Name me a law that would have prevented this.

I'll wait.

Tick tock.

Laws against drunk driving, theft, murder, rape, so on and so forth never stop them from happening yet they still exist. It's fucking convenient that gun laws are the only ones held up to the "If They Don't Even Stop A Single Incident They're FUCKING WORTHLESS" standard. If consistency was actually applied the nation would be a warlord infested anarchy.

So you admit no law would have actually stopped this. In other words you want to pass useless laws because they make you feel better.

[Thermodolia]

Really who? The off chance theirs a robbery or assault? Why not just pass a law everyone has to carry guns? If everyone had a gun then these mass shootings wouldn't happen right? Typical NRA logic.

Why would I want to mandate everyone carry a gun? That would result in your being armed. I don'the frankly know rather more or less guns will reduce mass shootings, but I frankly don't see the relevance.

Well apparently the City of Kennesaw, Georgia had one of the lowest rates of gun crime in the state after the passed a law demanding that all households have at least one gun.

[San Lumen]

https://cdn3.volusion.com/j4enh.r2en5/v/vspfiles/photos/BCM%20Carry%20Handle%20AR-15-3.jpg?1456827038
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/18/Mini14GB.jpg/1200px-Mini14GB.jpg

Tell me, which of these is more suitable for deer hunting and as to why?

Neither, caliber isn't high enough (at least, in my state).

The second one is what you should be using. Im sorry you think Shredding the deer with bullets is fun and humane or nessacery.

[Kramania]

But you don't like police.

I never said anything of the sort. And dodging a reply yet again. And what does the screenshot you posted have to do with anything?

You've made in quite clear in other threads that you don't like police.

And that image would be the world's smallest violin.

[San Lumen]

Why would I want to mandate everyone carry a gun? That would result in your being armed. I don'the frankly know rather more or less guns will reduce mass shootings, but I frankly don't see the relevance.

Well apparently the City of Kennesaw, Georgia had one of the lowest rates of gun crime in the state after the passed a law demanding that all households have at least one gun.

You have a source for that?

[New Decandsor]

It's not that Congress is in the gun lobby's pocket, it's that Congress is severely divided on issues like this because of it's natural controversy. If you pass it, people will say it goes against the 2nd amendment, if it doesn't, people will say that Congress isn't doing enough to save lives.

If they didn't pander to the NRA and weren't so afraid of them Im sure there is middle ground that could be found.

They do pander to the NRA but aren't afraid of them. If anything, they're more afraid of the backlash from gun owning citizens who take the 2nd amendment very seriously. Each side has legitimate and accurate claims, which is why there definitely is middle ground like you said. Hopefully, Congress can eventually find it just to cool down controversies like this.

[San Lumen]

I never said anything of the sort. And dodging a reply yet again. And what does the screenshot you posted have to do with anything?

You've made in quite clear in other threads that you don't like police.

And that image would be the world's smallest violin.

No i really haven't.

[Kramania]

You've made in quite clear in other threads that you don't like police.

And that image would be the world's smallest violin.

No i really haven't.

Mhm.

[Albrenia]

Laws against drunk driving, theft, murder, rape, so on and so forth never stop them from happening yet they still exist. It's fucking convenient that gun laws are the only ones held up to the "If They Don't Even Stop A Single Incident They're FUCKING WORTHLESS" standard. If consistency was actually applied the nation would be a warlord infested anarchy.

So you admit no law would have actually stopped this. In other words you want to pass useless laws because they make you feel better.

Uh... no he's saying that laws against drunk driving and murder don't prevent all of said offence, but should still exist.

I'm guessing this thread's gone off topic for good, eh?

[San Lumen]

If they didn't pander to the NRA and weren't so afraid of them Im sure there is middle ground that could be found.

They do pander to the NRA but aren't afraid of them. If anything, they're more afraid of the backlash from gun owning citizens who take the 2nd amendment very seriously. Each side has legitimate and accurate claims, which is why there definitely is middle ground like you said. Hopefully, Congress can eventually find it just to cool down controversies like this.

If they weren't afraid of them they would passed the proposed laws after Sandy Hook. None of it would have infringed on the second amendment. They wouldn't be planning to pass something like the SHARE Act either.

[Thermodolia]

I use my AR15 for target shooting. It is lightweight, accurate, and with the 30 round magazines, I can spend more time perfecting my hobby. Now, with an appropriate caliber and size magazine, I can use it to hunt with (IIRC, CT requires a minimum caliber of 6mm/.243 and a maximum mag capacity of 5 rounds while hunting deer).

Yeah cuz shedding that deer with rapid fire bullets is so humane and nessacery. And Im sorry you find killing innocent beautiful creatures for sport to be a hobby.

I don't know about you but venison is really good

[Rusozak]

If they didn't pander to the NRA and weren't so afraid of them Im sure there is middle ground that could be found.

They do pander to the NRA but aren't afraid of them. If anything, they're more afraid of the backlash from gun owning citizens who take the 2nd amendment very seriously. Each side has legitimate and accurate claims, which is why there definitely is middle ground like you said. Hopefully, Congress can eventually find it just to cool down controversies like this.

Middle ground? In Congress? Not with all the "my way or the highway" attitudes. Having faith Congress will be helpful is like having faith there will never be another mass shooting.

[Kramania]

So you admit no law would have actually stopped this. In other words you want to pass useless laws because they make you feel better.

Uh... no he's saying that laws against drunk driving and murder don't prevent all of said offence, but should still exist.

I'm guessing this thread's gone off topic for good, eh?

He didn't actually answer my question so I can only assume that's what he's saying.

[Gauthier]

Laws against drunk driving, theft, murder, rape, so on and so forth never stop them from happening yet they still exist. It's fucking convenient that gun laws are the only ones held up to the "If They Don't Even Stop A Single Incident They're FUCKING WORTHLESS" standard. If consistency was actually applied the nation would be a warlord infested anarchy.

So you admit no law would have actually stopped this. In other words you want to pass useless laws because they make you feel better.

Stop being a hypocrite. Call for abolishing all other criminal laws because they never prevent crime.

[New Decandsor]

They do pander to the NRA but aren't afraid of them. If anything, they're more afraid of the backlash from gun owning citizens who take the 2nd amendment very seriously. Each side has legitimate and accurate claims, which is why there definitely is middle ground like you said. Hopefully, Congress can eventually find it just to cool down controversies like this.

Middle ground? In Congress? Not with all the "my way or the highway" attitudes. Having faith Congress will be helpful is like having faith there will never be another mass shooting.

That is an extremely good point.

[Thermodolia]

Neither, caliber isn't high enough (at least, in my state).

The second one is what you should be using. Im sorry you think Shredding the deer with bullets is fun and humane or nessacery.

They are the exact same. The only difference is that the first one is black and has scary attachments. They literally fire the same ammunition and are both semi-auto

[Keskinen]

Neither, caliber isn't high enough (at least, in my state).

The second one is what you should be using. Im sorry you think Shredding the deer with bullets is fun and humane or nessacery.

You are aware that the only difference between the two is the way it looks right? Both fire the same round, both are semi-automatic, both have magazines that you would call "high-capacity".

[Kramania]

So you admit no law would have actually stopped this. In other words you want to pass useless laws because they make you feel better.

Stop being a hypocrite. Call for abolishing all other criminal laws because they never prevent crime.

Actually, Gauth, that's not my point. I asked you to name one law that would have prevented this. You couldn't fucking do it. You admitted as much. So now you want to pass useless laws for what reason exactly? To make everyone feel better?

I don't expect laws to stop all crime. But I do want laws that actually serve a purpose beyond making you feel better.