Mass Shooting at Mandalay Bay, Las Vegas

[San Lumen]

Well thats not how I or many people I know interpret it.

Then you and those many other people are wrong.

Some light reading for you to enjoy.

Thats not light reading and Im sorry that myself and others want to actually see something done about gun violence then accepting mass shootings as normal and routine. No other country in the world has this happen regularly or as many gun violence victims as the United States.

[Telconi]

Might need to shoot someone or something.

Really who? The off chance theirs a robbery or assault? Why not just pass a law everyone has to carry guns? If everyone had a gun then these mass shootings wouldn't happen right? Typical NRA logic.

Why would I want to mandate everyone carry a gun? That would result in your being armed. I don'the frankly know rather more or less guns will reduce mass shootings, but I frankly don't see the relevance.

[Sovaal]

The prefatory clause merely makes a positive statement on a person's right to keep and bear arms and it isn't a prerequisite on that right.

Well thats not how I or many people I know interpret it.

Yet the SC has ruled in favor of citizen ownership of firearms.

[Kramania]

Then you and those many other people are wrong.

Some light reading for you to enjoy.

Thats not light reading and Im sorry that myself and others want to actually see something done about gun violence then accepting mass shootings as normal and routine. No other country in the world has this happen regularly or as many gun violence victims as the United States.

Clearly the best way to prevent gun violence is to take away guns from people who aren't involved in gun violence.

That'll show 'em.

[San Lumen]

Really who? The off chance theirs a robbery or assault? Why not just pass a law everyone has to carry guns? If everyone had a gun then these mass shootings wouldn't happen right? Typical NRA logic.

Why would I want to mandate everyone carry a gun? That would result in your being armed. I don'the frankly know rather more or less guns will reduce mass shootings, but I frankly don't see the relevance.

So people should just accept the rate of mass shootings and gun violence as normal? I think what I said is perfectly relevant.

You have any solution to end mass shootings that happen on a regular basis? No other country in the world has this happen every few months.

[San Lumen]

Well thats not how I or many people I know interpret it.

Yet the SC has ruled in favor of citizen ownership of firearms.

Well I and many others disagree with them.

[Sovaal]

Yet the SC has ruled in favor of citizen ownership of firearms.

Well I and many others disagree with them.

Yet they're the ones who decide on Constitutional law.

[MERIZoC]

Well I and many others disagree with them.

Yet they're the ones who decide on Constitutional law.

Is-ought

[Albrenia]

Wow this thread really went into the ditch, didn't it?

The only person I see saying anything reasonable is Aellex, who I normally disagree with on pretty much everything. Feels to me like a horse which has already bolted, so shutting the gate won't help that much.

Or maybe I'm just resigned to this being the way things are.

Anyway, last time I checked this wasn't the gun control thread, so please try to keep on topic maybe? Anyone have news to share? Is it true that the guy was a millionaire?

[Gun Manufacturers]

Its my firm opinion that if first graders being gunned down by a lunatic doesn't spur our leaders to pass gun control laws then nothing will. This kind of thing will keep happening over and over again and someday maybe all too soon another mass shooting will surpass this one.

Until Congress tells the gun lobby they will no longer accept their money nothing is going to change. Too many people are convinced that gun control means taking away your guns. No one needs assault rifles and machine guns.

That's it. Let's make theft and murder illegal!

[New Decandsor]

Yet the SC has ruled in favor of citizen ownership of firearms.

Well I and many others disagree with them.

You and others didn't write the Constitution. Many American citizens (including myself) will defend our right to bear arms.

[San Lumen]

Its my firm opinion that if first graders being gunned down by a lunatic doesn't spur our leaders to pass gun control laws then nothing will. This kind of thing will keep happening over and over again and someday maybe all too soon another mass shooting will surpass this one.

Until Congress tells the gun lobby they will no longer accept their money nothing is going to change. Too many people are convinced that gun control means taking away your guns. No one needs assault rifles and machine guns.

That's it. Let's make theft and murder illegal!

Excuse me? Thats not even remotely what I said even by a long shot.

[Gauthier]

Nevada's gun laws- which is practically the NRA's wet dream- failed to stop a Bad Guy With a Bunch of Guns before he inflicted casualties usually unreal outside of a video game then shot himself as a "Fuck You" to Las Vegas police.

Of course this being the U.S. the most realistic outcome is nothing will be done- proving The Onion is no longer satire. Mental healthcare funding will be brought up as a deflection and perpetuation of the Mentally Il People Are Psycho Killers stereotype, although it won't happen because Republicans hate free healthcare for poor people as they've shown at least 3 times this year.

Unless of course the NRA pushes for mandatory open carry on a federal level, and maybe deregulation of full automatics and destructive devices. Because the only thing that can stop a Bad Guy With a Gun, is a Good Guy With a Thompson and an M79.

[San Lumen]

Well I and many others disagree with them.

You and others didn't write the Constitution. Many American citizens (including myself) will defend our right to bear arms.

I don't think the Founding Fathers would be ok with a country where people own semi automatic weapons and dozens of people are killed in mass shootings every few months. Nor would they have agreed with a right to any and all firearms and unregulated access to any and all firearms.

[Rusozak]

Wow this thread really went into the ditch, didn't it?

The only person I see saying anything reasonable is Aellex, who I normally disagree with on pretty much everything. Feels to me like a horse which has already bolted, so shutting the gate won't help that much.

Or maybe I'm just resigned to this being the way things are.

Anyway, last time I checked this wasn't the gun control thread, so please try to keep on topic maybe? Anyone have news to share? Is it true that the guy was a millionaire?

Haven't heard about that, but he did wire thousands overseas and seemed to have foreign contacts. Whether those were just his suppliers or he's part of a movement remains to be seen.

Interesting report though that at least one of his weapons appeared to have been a legally obtained semi-automatic modified into full automatic.

[San Lumen]

Nevada's gun laws- which is practically the NRA's wet dream- failed to stop a Bad Guy With a Bunch of Guns before he inflicted casualties usually unreal outside of a video game then shooting himself as a "Fuck You" to Las Vegas police.

Of course this the U.S. the most realistic outcome is nothing will be done- proving The Onion is no longer satire. Mental healthcare funding will be brought up as a deflection and perpetuation of the Mentally Il People Are Psycho Killers stereotype, although it won't happen because Republicans hate free healthcare for poor people as they've shown at least 3 times this year.

Unless of course the NRA pushes for mandatory open carry on a federal level, and maybe deregulation of full automatics and destructive devices. Because the only thing that can stop a Bad Guy With a Gun, is a Good Guy With a Thompson and an M79.

That's always NRA logic more guns is the solution. If teachers had guns Sandy Hook wouldn't have happened. If all the concert goers had guns less people would have died.

[New Decandsor]

You and others didn't write the Constitution. Many American citizens (including myself) will defend our right to bear arms.

I don't think the Founding Fathers would be ok with a country where people own semi automatic weapons and dozens of people are killed in mass shootings every few months. Nor would they have agreed with a right to any and all firearms and unregulated access to any and all firearms.

We can't ask them. They wrote the Constitution for us, and it defends the right to bear arms. Note that I am not against regulations or background checks here.

[Gun Manufacturers]

Do you mean AR 15s and similar rifles? If so thats an up hill battle.

What in the world does a civilian need that kind of weapon for?

I use my AR15 for target shooting. It is lightweight, accurate, and with the 30 round magazines, I can spend more time perfecting my hobby. Now, with an appropriate caliber and size magazine, I can use it to hunt with (IIRC, CT requires a minimum caliber of 6mm/.243 and a maximum mag capacity of 5 rounds while hunting deer).

[Kramania]

Nevada's gun laws- which is practically the NRA's wet dream- failed to stop a Bad Guy With a Bunch of Guns before he inflicted casualties usually unreal outside of a video game then shot himself as a "Fuck You" to Las Vegas police.

Of course this being the U.S. the most realistic outcome is nothing will be done- proving The Onion is no longer satire. Mental healthcare funding will be brought up as a deflection and perpetuation of the Mentally Il People Are Psycho Killers stereotype, although it won't happen because Republicans hate free healthcare for poor people as they've shown at least 3 times this year.

Unless of course the NRA pushes for mandatory open carry on a federal level, and maybe deregulation of full automatics and destructive devices. Because the only thing that can stop a Bad Guy With a Gun, is a Good Guy With a Thompson and an M79.

Name me a law that would have prevented this.

I'll wait.

Tick tock.

[Gun Manufacturers]

That's it. Let's make theft and murder illegal!

Excuse me? Thats not even remotely what I said even by a long shot.

That's what Adam Lanza did. He stole those firearms, and murdered those kids. Maybe we should make theft and murder illegal.

[San Lumen]

I don't think the Founding Fathers would be ok with a country where people own semi automatic weapons and dozens of people are killed in mass shootings every few months. Nor would they have agreed with a right to any and all firearms and unregulated access to any and all firearms.

We can't ask them. They wrote the Constitution for us, and it defends the right to bear arms. Note that I am not against regulations or background checks here.

Im glad we are on the same same page then. Sadly Congress is too much in the pocket of the gun lobby to pass more regulations and better background checks and more regulations and what type of guns you can own.

[Thermodolia]

But my money...

Here, let Colion Noir talk you out of it.

Heheheh

[San Lumen]

What in the world does a civilian need that kind of weapon for?

I use my AR15 for target shooting. It is lightweight, accurate, and with the 30 round magazines, I can spend more time perfecting my hobby. Now, with an appropriate caliber and size magazine, I can use it to hunt with (IIRC, CT requires a minimum caliber of 6mm/.243 and a maximum mag capacity of 5 rounds while hunting deer).

Yeah cuz shedding that deer with rapid fire bullets is so humane and nessacery. And Im sorry you find killing innocent beautiful creatures for sport to be a hobby.

Excuse me? Thats not even remotely what I said even by a long shot.

That's what Adam Lanza did. He stole those firearms, and murdered those kids. Maybe we should make theft and murder illegal.

Theft and murder are already crimes. What does that have to do with a what i said?

[Thermodolia]

Carry a weapon into the mall? Well, I do..

And for what purpose? If I was mall security or the manager of a store Id ask you to leave.

And you have just opened yourself up to a lawsuit, especially if you didn't know that they had a gun. Congrats.

[San Lumen]

And for what purpose? If I was mall security or the manager of a store Id ask you to leave.

And you have just opened yourself up to a lawsuit, especially if you didn't know that they had a gun. Congrats.

If they were carrying a rifle then id ask them to leave. Im not going to have everyone searched for pistols i cant see. You want to carry a gun place it where i cant see it. The only people who should have guns in open carry are police officers.