Mass Shooting at Mandalay Bay, Las Vegas

[Thermodolia]

Well... they do...

No they don't. For what purpose would you need to carry an assault rifle into a store for?

Why would I do that? A revolver or pistol is much more concealable than a rife.

[The Lone Alliance]

1) Improve mental healthcare.
2) Make the NICS open to public use.
3) Look into ways to improve the data in NICS.
4) Decrease income inequality in the US.

the first point might help but how would the others?

1. Obvious why it would help.
2. If the NICS was an App that the public could use that instantly closes whatever "Loopholes". A seller could no longer say "Well I didn't know he was a felon" because then they could go "There's a free website that can point that out for you that everyone knows about," Would eliminate a lot of deniability.
3. The more data there is the less chance someone will slip through.
4. The vast majority of gun crime is done by people suffering under poverty, I'm sure the vast majority of suicides are also done by people suffering from poverty, that takes down most common forms of negative gun usage, it would even bring down the cases of 'positive' gun usage for if people aren't running around trying to mug people because they're broke and need drug money there's a less chance of people drawing guns to defend themselves.

[San Lumen]

So then you just defeated you argument. You said they have a right to do it but can't give a reason as to why you would need to carry a weapon into the mall?

Not really. It's a really weird idea you seem to have there, banning things just on grounds of not having a very special good reason for them.

I don't think its weird at all.

[Aellex]

Kind of insulting to suggest that Americans will never stop carrying out these mass shootings.

Is it? It's simply stating a fact, tho. Gun control is akin to trying to repair a breach in a dam with band-aid.
You're honestly just better off simply enjoying the free showers.

[Grinning Dragon]

Exactly as to what part is misinterpreted? Militiamen in Colonial America often provided their own personal arms.

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

The militia referred to the states and those militias becomes the national guard. Where in that amendment does it give you a right to any and all firearms and to carry them wherever you go?

It's literally right there in the wording of the 2nd Amendment, "the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." Did you miss it or refuse to comprehend that the first part of the 2nd Amendment has ZERO bearing on the intended enumerated negative right.

[San Lumen]

No they don't. For what purpose would you need to carry an assault rifle into a store for?

Why would I do that? A revolver or pistol is much more concealable than a rife.

yet its happened enough times that several big box stores have banned open carried guns from their stores. But somehow thats infringing on someones rights

[Gauthier]

Don't have one...

So then you just defeated you argument. You said they have a right to do it but can't give a reason as to why you would need to carry a weapon into the mall?

Zombies, yo.

[Telconi]

Don't have one...

So then you just defeated you argument. You said they have a right to do it but can't give a reason as to why you would need to carry a weapon into the mall?

Rights and needs are two very different things. Nobody has a need to read a book, watch the news, go to church, vote, post on NSG, marry a person of their same gender, or marry at all really, reassign their gender or be represented by an attorney. I could list more rights that don't have an attached 'need' if those aren't enough for you to get the point.

[Thermodolia]

Don't have one...

So then you just defeated you argument. You said they have a right to do it but can't give a reason as to why you would need to carry a weapon into the mall?

Stop moving the goal posts. You where talking about carrying a rife into a store. You said nothing about any other type of gun

[Sovaal]

Why would I do that? A revolver or pistol is much more concealable than a rife.

yet its happened enough times that several big box stores have banned open carried guns from their stores. But somehow thats infringing on someones rights

No, not really. But as always you'll get people who complain.

[Tesernia]

Not really. It's a really weird idea you seem to have there, banning things just on grounds of not having a very special good reason for them.

I don't think its weird at all.

But why do you think that?

If you don't have a good reason for banning things that people don't have a good reason for - that's quite hypocritical of you to demand a ban then, isn't it?

[Sovaal]

So then you just defeated you argument. You said they have a right to do it but can't give a reason as to why you would need to carry a weapon into the mall?

Zombies, yo.

I would link to the Florida zombie but then I remembered that this place is PG 13.

[Ifreann]

Kind of insulting to suggest that Americans will never stop carrying out these mass shootings.

Better ban box trucks lest the French continue to run one another over. Better ban UN food assistance lest the Somalis continue to fight civil wars, better ban explosive's lest the Brit's try to set up a Catholic theocracy again.

Strange, I don't seem to have said anything about banning anything.

Maybe you meant to quote someone else.

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Kind of insulting to suggest that Americans will never stop carrying out these mass shootings.

Is it? It's simply stating a fact, tho. Gun control is akin to trying to repair a breach in a dam with band-aid.
You're honestly just better off simply enjoying the free showers.

We manage not to have shootings like this. I don't see why America couldn't manage the same.

[San Lumen]

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

The militia referred to the states and those militias becomes the national guard. Where in that amendment does it give you a right to any and all firearms and to carry them wherever you go?

It's literally right there in the wording of the 2nd Amendment, "the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." Did you miss it or refuse to comprehend that the first part of the 2nd Amendment has ZERO bearing on the intended enumerated negative right.

and yet how typical for people to only take one part of a something and forget the other part. Amendments and to and sections of constitution should not be read or interpreted in parts they should be interpreted in the entire context. if your read the amendment in its entirety it does not give the right to any and all firearms or to carry them everywhere.

[Kramania]

You know, I never really had an interest in guns before. But people like you make me want guns more and more.

Join us!! Join us! Join us!

But my money...

[Len Hyet]

Join us!! Join us! Join us!

But my money...

Here, let Colion Noir talk you out of it.

[San Lumen]

So then you just defeated you argument. You said they have a right to do it but can't give a reason as to why you would need to carry a weapon into the mall?

Rights and needs are two very different things. Nobody has a need to read a book, watch the news, go to church, vote, post on NSG, marry a person of their same gender, or marry at all really, reassign their gender or be represented by an attorney. I could list more rights that don't have an attached 'need' if those aren't enough for you to get the point.

None of those are on the same level as having a right to own a gun.

[Kramania]

Don't have one...

So then you just defeated you argument. You said they have a right to do it but can't give a reason as to why you would need to carry a weapon into the mall?

Who actually does this?

[Grinning Dragon]

Join us!! Join us! Join us!

But my money...

is the root of evil, only shiny firearms and firearm accessories can free you from this evil.

[Keskinen]

Exactly as to what part is misinterpreted? Militiamen in Colonial America often provided their own personal arms.

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

The militia referred to the states and those militias becomes the national guard. Where in that amendment does it give you a right to any and all firearms and to carry them wherever you go?

Should you ever stumble onto the United States Code, the National Guard is explicitly defined as the "organized" militia while John and Jane Q. Public with a rifle at home are the "unorganized" militia.

10 U.S. Code § 246
(a) The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard.
(b) The classes of the militia are—
(1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and
(2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia.

[Telconi]

Better ban box trucks lest the French continue to run one another over. Better ban UN food assistance lest the Somalis continue to fight civil wars, better ban explosive's lest the Brit's try to set up a Catholic theocracy again.

Strange, I don't seem to have said anything about banning anything.

Maybe you meant to quote someone else.

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Is it? It's simply stating a fact, tho. Gun control is akin to trying to repair a breach in a dam with band-aid.
You're honestly just better off simply enjoying the free showers.

We manage not to have shootings like this. I don't see why America couldn't manage the same.

The whole thread has sort of devolved into that, I was simply pointing out the foolishness of taking draconian measures to attempty to end all homicide. Unfortunately, some amount is inherent, and any attempts to eradicate it all would end with us like the humans in The Matrix, receiving only what we 'need'.

[San Lumen]

So then you just defeated you argument. You said they have a right to do it but can't give a reason as to why you would need to carry a weapon into the mall?

Who actually does this?

enough people that stores like Target said open carried guns where banned from their stores.

[Vassenor]

We manage not to have shootings like this. I don't see why America couldn't manage the same.

But something something terrorists

[Telconi]

So then you just defeated you argument. You said they have a right to do it but can't give a reason as to why you would need to carry a weapon into the mall?

Who actually does this?

Carry a weapon into the mall? Well, I do..

[San Lumen]

Who actually does this?

Carry a weapon into the mall? Well, I do..

And for what purpose? If I was mall security or the manager of a store Id ask you to leave.