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Sovaal
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Postby Sovaal » Tue Oct 03, 2017 1:15 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Spirit of Hope wrote:You don't need a lot of things, but we allow them anyways. Banning semi auto rifles makes little sense since they are involved in a minority of crimes and are widely used for a number of recreational and sport activities.

They don't need to used at all in my opinion. You want to hunt then use a rifle designed for hunting.

Plenty of hunting rifles are semi auto.
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Postby Telconi » Tue Oct 03, 2017 1:16 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Goalposts need to stay still if you want me to kick the ball homeslice.

so basically your not willing to answer my question and just keep dodging?


I can answer the most recent one.

Never said that, never said that, no such thing exists.
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Postby Sovaal » Tue Oct 03, 2017 1:17 pm

Napkiraly wrote:
Sovaal wrote:People don't hunt with machine guns believe it or not.

Ted Nugent says otherwise.

Well I don't know who's making who look bad now, me on account to being proven, at least to a point, wrong, or Ted Nugent for being Ted Nugent.
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"Rifles, muskets, long-bows and hand-grenades are inherently democratic weapons. A complex weapon makes the strong stronger, while a simple weapon – so long as there is no answer to it – gives claws to the weak.” - George Orwell

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Postby San Lumen » Tue Oct 03, 2017 1:17 pm

Sovaal wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Again how is banning silencers

How will banning silencers help? The guy was pretty much un-located for what, over an hour?
or requiring more backgrounds checks and closing things like the gun show loophole
Inb4 some one mentions that you have to pass background checks at gun shows.

I'm going to go ahead and answer, no, I do not believe that. I'll get behind back ground checks and mental evaluations, even mandatory classes. But What you've proposed, banning all long guns, is simply un-workable in the US.

cuz we've created a culture of people who have completely misinterpreted the 2nd amendment and cling to their guns and think they have a right to any and all firearms and bring them with them wherever they go.

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Postby Kramania » Tue Oct 03, 2017 1:18 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Sovaal wrote:How will banning silencers help? The guy was pretty much un-located for what, over an hour?

I'm going to go ahead and answer, no, I do not believe that. I'll get behind back ground checks and mental evaluations, even mandatory classes. But What you've proposed, banning all long guns, is simply un-workable in the US.

cuz we've created a culture of people who have completely misinterpreted the 2nd amendment and cling to their guns and think they have a right to any and all firearms and bring them with them wherever they go.

You know, I never really had an interest in guns before. But people like you make me want guns more and more.
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Postby Telconi » Tue Oct 03, 2017 1:18 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Sovaal wrote:How will banning silencers help? The guy was pretty much un-located for what, over an hour?

I'm going to go ahead and answer, no, I do not believe that. I'll get behind back ground checks and mental evaluations, even mandatory classes. But What you've proposed, banning all long guns, is simply un-workable in the US.

cuz we've created a culture of people who have completely misinterpreted the 2nd amendment and cling to their guns and think they have a right to any and all firearms and bring them with them wherever they go.


Well... they do...
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Postby Sovaal » Tue Oct 03, 2017 1:19 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Sovaal wrote:How will banning silencers help? The guy was pretty much un-located for what, over an hour?

I'm going to go ahead and answer, no, I do not believe that. I'll get behind back ground checks and mental evaluations, even mandatory classes. But What you've proposed, banning all long guns, is simply un-workable in the US.

cuz we've created a culture of people who have completely misinterpreted the 2nd amendment and cling to their guns and think they have a right to any and all firearms and bring them with them wherever they go.

Exactly as to what part is misinterpreted? Militiamen in Colonial America often provided their own personal arms.
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No one pretends that democracy is perfect or all wise. Indeed, it has been said that democracy is
the worst form of government, except for all the others that have been tried from time to time." -
Winston Churchill, 1947.

"Rifles, muskets, long-bows and hand-grenades are inherently democratic weapons. A complex weapon makes the strong stronger, while a simple weapon – so long as there is no answer to it – gives claws to the weak.” - George Orwell

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Postby Sovaal » Tue Oct 03, 2017 1:19 pm

Kramania wrote:
San Lumen wrote:cuz we've created a culture of people who have completely misinterpreted the 2nd amendment and cling to their guns and think they have a right to any and all firearms and bring them with them wherever they go.

You know, I never really had an interest in guns before. But people like you make me want guns more and more.

Join us...

And tell money goodbye...
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No one pretends that democracy is perfect or all wise. Indeed, it has been said that democracy is
the worst form of government, except for all the others that have been tried from time to time." -
Winston Churchill, 1947.

"Rifles, muskets, long-bows and hand-grenades are inherently democratic weapons. A complex weapon makes the strong stronger, while a simple weapon – so long as there is no answer to it – gives claws to the weak.” - George Orwell

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Postby Len Hyet » Tue Oct 03, 2017 1:20 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Sovaal wrote:How will banning silencers help? The guy was pretty much un-located for what, over an hour?

I'm going to go ahead and answer, no, I do not believe that. I'll get behind back ground checks and mental evaluations, even mandatory classes. But What you've proposed, banning all long guns, is simply un-workable in the US.

cuz we've created a culture of people who have completely misinterpreted the 2nd amendment and cling to their guns and think they have a right to any and all firearms and bring them with them wherever they go.

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Postby Grinning Dragon » Tue Oct 03, 2017 1:21 pm

Sovaal wrote:
Kramania wrote:You know, I never really had an interest in guns before. But people like you make me want guns more and more.

Join us...

And tell money goodbye...


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Postby Ifreann » Tue Oct 03, 2017 1:22 pm

Aellex wrote:Gun control in the U.S is useless. There are so much guns in circulation already that it would take literal centuries for the said gun control to have any actual tangible effect.

So yeah, honestly, it's better to just enjoy the pros of it and try and forget the cons because it's as much of a natural phenomenon as an hurricane or seism at this point.

Kind of insulting to suggest that Americans will never stop carrying out these mass shootings.

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Postby Thermodolia » Tue Oct 03, 2017 1:23 pm

Kramania wrote:
San Lumen wrote:cuz we've created a culture of people who have completely misinterpreted the 2nd amendment and cling to their guns and think they have a right to any and all firearms and bring them with them wherever they go.

You know, I never really had an interest in guns before. But people like you make me want guns more and more.

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Postby San Lumen » Tue Oct 03, 2017 1:24 pm

Telconi wrote:
San Lumen wrote:cuz we've created a culture of people who have completely misinterpreted the 2nd amendment and cling to their guns and think they have a right to any and all firearms and bring them with them wherever they go.


Well... they do...

No they don't. For what purpose would you need to carry an assault rifle into a store for?

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Postby The of Japan » Tue Oct 03, 2017 1:24 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Aellex wrote:Gun control in the U.S is useless. There are so much guns in circulation already that it would take literal centuries for the said gun control to have any actual tangible effect.

So yeah, honestly, it's better to just enjoy the pros of it and try and forget the cons because it's as much of a natural phenomenon as an hurricane or seism at this point.

Kind of insulting to suggest that Americans will never stop carrying out these mass shootings.

It's the reality.
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Postby Grinning Dragon » Tue Oct 03, 2017 1:24 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Sovaal wrote:How will banning silencers help? The guy was pretty much un-located for what, over an hour?

I'm going to go ahead and answer, no, I do not believe that. I'll get behind back ground checks and mental evaluations, even mandatory classes. But What you've proposed, banning all long guns, is simply un-workable in the US.

cuz we've created a culture of people who have completely misinterpreted the 2nd amendment and cling to their guns and think they have a right to any and all firearms and bring them with them wherever they go.


Those gosh darn Founding Fathers and they way they framed the Bill of Rights and creating this culture.
I don't think it is we that are misinterpreting the 2nd Amendment, I'm pretty sure we've got it down pretty good and the USSC seems to agree with the original intent.

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Postby Sovaal » Tue Oct 03, 2017 1:24 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Aellex wrote:Gun control in the U.S is useless. There are so much guns in circulation already that it would take literal centuries for the said gun control to have any actual tangible effect.

So yeah, honestly, it's better to just enjoy the pros of it and try and forget the cons because it's as much of a natural phenomenon as an hurricane or seism at this point.

Kind of insulting to suggest that Americans will never stop carrying out these mass shootings.

Probably the least offensive thing said in this thread tho.
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Winston Churchill, 1947.

"Rifles, muskets, long-bows and hand-grenades are inherently democratic weapons. A complex weapon makes the strong stronger, while a simple weapon – so long as there is no answer to it – gives claws to the weak.” - George Orwell

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Postby Grinning Dragon » Tue Oct 03, 2017 1:25 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Well... they do...

No they don't. For what purpose would you need to carry an assault rifle into a store for?

NEED is irrelevant.

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Postby Telconi » Tue Oct 03, 2017 1:26 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Well... they do...

No they don't. For what purpose would you need to carry an assault rifle into a store for?


Don't have one...
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Postby San Lumen » Tue Oct 03, 2017 1:26 pm

Sovaal wrote:
San Lumen wrote:cuz we've created a culture of people who have completely misinterpreted the 2nd amendment and cling to their guns and think they have a right to any and all firearms and bring them with them wherever they go.

Exactly as to what part is misinterpreted? Militiamen in Colonial America often provided their own personal arms.

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

The militia referred to the states and those militias becomes the national guard. Where in that amendment does it give you a right to any and all firearms and to carry them wherever you go?

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Postby Ifreann » Tue Oct 03, 2017 1:27 pm

The of Japan wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Kind of insulting to suggest that Americans will never stop carrying out these mass shootings.

It's the reality.

Not really. These types of shootings rarely happen anywhere else, and Americans aren't some alien species from beyond the moon.

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Postby Len Hyet » Tue Oct 03, 2017 1:27 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Sovaal wrote:Exactly as to what part is misinterpreted? Militiamen in Colonial America often provided their own personal arms.

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

The militia referred to the states and those militias becomes the national guard. Where in that amendment does it give you a right to any and all firearms and to carry them wherever you go?

lolno.

The militia is every able bodied male between the ages of 17 and 49. That's literally the legal definition.
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Postby San Lumen » Tue Oct 03, 2017 1:27 pm

Telconi wrote:
San Lumen wrote:No they don't. For what purpose would you need to carry an assault rifle into a store for?


Don't have one...

So then you just defeated you argument. You said they have a right to do it but can't give a reason as to why you would need to carry a weapon into the mall?

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Postby Telconi » Tue Oct 03, 2017 1:28 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Aellex wrote:Gun control in the U.S is useless. There are so much guns in circulation already that it would take literal centuries for the said gun control to have any actual tangible effect.

So yeah, honestly, it's better to just enjoy the pros of it and try and forget the cons because it's as much of a natural phenomenon as an hurricane or seism at this point.

Kind of insulting to suggest that Americans will never stop carrying out these mass shootings.


Better ban box trucks lest the French continue to run one another over. Better ban UN food assistance lest the Somalis continue to fight civil wars, better ban explosive's lest the Brit's try to set up a Catholic theocracy again.
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Postby San Lumen » Tue Oct 03, 2017 1:29 pm

Telconi wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Kind of insulting to suggest that Americans will never stop carrying out these mass shootings.


Better ban box trucks lest the French continue to run one another over. Better ban UN food assistance lest the Somalis continue to fight civil wars, better ban explosive's lest the Brit's try to set up a Catholic theocracy again.

No one said anything of the kind.

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Postby Tesernia » Tue Oct 03, 2017 1:29 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Don't have one...

So then you just defeated you argument. You said they have a right to do it but can't give a reason as to why you would need to carry a weapon into the mall?

Not really. It's a really weird idea you seem to have there, banning things just on grounds of not having a very special good reason for them.
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