Are upcoming sex robots going to normalize male aggression?

[Great Minarchistan]

Chessmistress sounds like the typical person that thinks GTA creates a generation of criminals but repeatedly fails to prove a significant effect.

[Galloism]

I'm looking over the ABS report now. Give me a few minutes to see what the basis is.

This will help if you haven't got there already.

http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf ... ter1002012

Well, here's your first problem:

14 Personal face to face interviews were conducted with one randomly selected person aged 18 years or over who was a usual resident of the selected household. Interviews were conducted from February to December 2012.

We have found men are more likely to disclose over the phone or on paper than in person. That probably had some effect - but not enough to drive the discrepancy. There's also a factor of who is usually home that may cause even more of a discrepancy. In my experience, a man who is abused by his wife is likely to work extra hours trying to satisfy her, while a woman who is abused by her husband is more likely to work less to try to satisfy him around the home (or be a stay at home parent entirely - financial control is a version of control).

17 To help ensure respondent comfort and well-being, as well as encouraging participation, the ABS used female interviewers for the PSS. It was considered that men and women would be more likely to feel comfortable revealing sensitive information about their possible experiences of violence to a women. This was based on collective advice from experts in the field during the survey development, was in line with the successful procedures followed for the 2005 PSS and was also supported by the 2012 PSS Survey Advisory Group. To cater for instances where this might not be the case, the ABS also trained a small number of male interviewers, in case a respondent preferred that their interview be conducted by a male. No requests for a male interviewer were made.

I question whether this is universally effective or just effective with women. Keep in mind - you're asking men about being terrorized by a woman... as a woman. I'm not sure what kind of an effect this would have. I can't figure out if it would be positive or negative - the face to face already will double up the shame men would experience talking about it. Making that face female or male I'm not sure what effect that would have (men are shamed by both men and women for showing any kind of weakness, and although current science suggests women shame them more, I'm not sure if that would actually coalesce into an actual response effect).

This one's ambiguous to me.

Regarding the who's home bit, I feel vindicated by reading further:

29 Given the voluntary nature of the survey a final response rate of 57% was achieved for the survey with 17,050 persons completing the survey questionnaire nationally. The response comprised 13,307 fully responding females and 3,743 fully responding males, achieving gendered response rates of 57% for females and 56% for males.

They surveyed 3 times as many women as men.

37 Due to the lower than expected response rate, the ABS undertook extensive non-response analyses as part of the validation and estimation process. The analysis included reviewing interviewer observations collected for all dwellings (both responding and non-responding) to determine whether these could be used to make an adjustment to initial selection weights as a means for correcting for non-response bias.

38 Investigations showed that there was a correlation between one of the interviewer observations and whether or not a fully responding interview was obtained. An explicit non-response adjustment based on this interviewer observation was therefore made to correct for some non-response bias.

I'm not sure what this means. It feels like "statistics voodoo", but I'm probably just not understanding what they mean.

[Costa Fierro]

Aggression in general? Sure, it's been normalised. Domestic violence? No, not at all. If a man attacks a woman he is considered a social pariah, the lowest form of man. Men are taught from birth to never under any circumstances hit a woman, not even in self-defence. And let's not forget that the vast majority of crimes have mostly male victims.

While I agree that domestic violence has become broadly socially unacceptable in the last few decades. The idea that it's now a thing women largely do to men is a bit absurd. We must move in different circles.

Women in a number of countries commit domestic violence against men at similar rates to men who commit it against women. However how we go about dealing with it is a different matter entirely.

[Great Minarchistan]

Another poll with a massive landslide against Chess. Unsurprising, I suppose.

[Galloism]

Another poll with a massive landslide against Chess. Unsurprising, I suppose.

The shocking part is 7 other people said "yes".

[Sovaal]

Another poll with a massive landslide against Chess. Unsurprising, I suppose.

The shocking part is 7 other people said "yes".

What i want to know is what where the "Other"s.

[Neanderthaland]

One in three German men could see themselves having sex with robots. Sounds like the feminists are losing.

It's just so efficient...

[Elphaba-]

Who is to say that women won't use sex-bots? Can we stop trying to make every sex thing about dudes being pervy? Can us women not have our sexy time?

[MC United]

What a bloody silly question.

What they will do, however, is render unnecessary the services -- and cervixes -- of feminists.

[Purpelia]

Who is to say that women won't use sex-bots? Can we stop trying to make every sex thing about dudes being pervy? Can us women not have our sexy time?

I'd say that in your case the answer is blowing in the wind...

Props to anyone who understands the meaning of the reference.

[USS Monitor]

I'm having a really hard time deciding whether I should post ICly as the Monitor and get all outraged about machines being exploited, or whether I should be serious and point out that smacking around a doll is not the same as hurting actual people.

[Longweather]

I'm having a really hard time deciding whether I should post ICly as the Monitor and get all outraged about machines being exploited, or whether I should be serious and point out that smacking around a doll is not the same as hurting actual people.

I think the former would be all hilarious as the latter point has been made already.

[Bakery Hill]

This will help if you haven't got there already.

http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf ... ter1002012

Well, here's your first problem:

14 Personal face to face interviews were conducted with one randomly selected person aged 18 years or over who was a usual resident of the selected household. Interviews were conducted from February to December 2012.

We have found men are more likely to disclose over the phone or on paper than in person. That probably had some effect - but not enough to drive the discrepancy. There's also a factor of who is usually home that may cause even more of a discrepancy. In my experience, a man who is abused by his wife is likely to work extra hours trying to satisfy her, while a woman who is abused by her husband is more likely to work less to try to satisfy him around the home (or be a stay at home parent entirely - financial control is a version of control).

17 To help ensure respondent comfort and well-being, as well as encouraging participation, the ABS used female interviewers for the PSS. It was considered that men and women would be more likely to feel comfortable revealing sensitive information about their possible experiences of violence to a women. This was based on collective advice from experts in the field during the survey development, was in line with the successful procedures followed for the 2005 PSS and was also supported by the 2012 PSS Survey Advisory Group. To cater for instances where this might not be the case, the ABS also trained a small number of male interviewers, in case a respondent preferred that their interview be conducted by a male. No requests for a male interviewer were made.

I question whether this is universally effective or just effective with women. Keep in mind - you're asking men about being terrorized by a woman... as a woman. I'm not sure what kind of an effect this would have. I can't figure out if it would be positive or negative - the face to face already will double up the shame men would experience talking about it. Making that face female or male I'm not sure what effect that would have (men are shamed by both men and women for showing any kind of weakness, and although current science suggests women shame them more, I'm not sure if that would actually coalesce into an actual response effect).

This one's ambiguous to me.

Regarding the who's home bit, I feel vindicated by reading further:

29 Given the voluntary nature of the survey a final response rate of 57% was achieved for the survey with 17,050 persons completing the survey questionnaire nationally. The response comprised 13,307 fully responding females and 3,743 fully responding males, achieving gendered response rates of 57% for females and 56% for males.

They surveyed 3 times as many women as men.

37 Due to the lower than expected response rate, the ABS undertook extensive non-response analyses as part of the validation and estimation process. The analysis included reviewing interviewer observations collected for all dwellings (both responding and non-responding) to determine whether these could be used to make an adjustment to initial selection weights as a means for correcting for non-response bias.

38 Investigations showed that there was a correlation between one of the interviewer observations and whether or not a fully responding interview was obtained. An explicit non-response adjustment based on this interviewer observation was therefore made to correct for some non-response bias.

I'm not sure what this means. It feels like "statistics voodoo", but I'm probably just not understanding what they mean.

I'd disagree with you on a few points here, but I don't think what you're saying is nearly important enough to get the massive discrepancy in numbers we're seeing.

[Galloism]

I'd disagree with you on a few points here, but I don't think what you're saying is nearly important enough to get the massive discrepancy in numbers we're seeing.

Well, I suspect it's mostly due to men underreporting due to "factors".

Given the pushback against recognizing a victim of murder as a victim of domestic violence because he has a penis, I would suggest your culture is more repressive of male victims than even ours - which is shocking.

Your arrest ratios are almost the same as ours, after all.

Can I prove it? No. Just seems likely.

[Bakery Hill]

I'd disagree with you on a few points here, but I don't think what you're saying is nearly important enough to get the massive discrepancy in numbers we're seeing.

Well, I suspect it's mostly due to men underreporting due to "factors".

Given the pushback against recognizing a victim of murder as a victim of domestic violence because he has a penis, I would suggest your culture is more repressive of male victims than even ours - which is shocking.

Your arrest ratios are almost the same as ours, after all.

Can I prove it? No. Just seems likely.

This seems unrealistic. The social power dynamic would have to have been completely flipped in a very short time. I understand how that is politically convenient for some people, but I really can't see it happening in the world around me, and these statistics seem to back that up. With regards to serious violence such as homicide and rape, the violence in relationships seems to be mostly one way. I don't think that's deniable however much you tinker with methodology. While denying that domestic violence against men by women is stupid and harmful, relentlessly trying to deny this issue's "gender asymmetry" or even imply men are the real silent victims on a mass social level just seems disingenuous.

[Galloism]

Well, I suspect it's mostly due to men underreporting due to "factors".

Given the pushback against recognizing a victim of murder as a victim of domestic violence because he has a penis, I would suggest your culture is more repressive of male victims than even ours - which is shocking.

Your arrest ratios are almost the same as ours, after all.

Can I prove it? No. Just seems likely.

This seems unrealistic. The social power dynamic would have to have been completely flipped in a very short time.

Actually no - it wouldn't. Denigration and demonization of men who are victims of domestic violence goes back for many centuries. This social dynamic would simply have to remain what it has been historically. No social power dynamic change required. It would just have to be what it has always been.

I understand how that is politically convenient for some people, but I really can't see it happening in the world around me, and these statistics seem to back that up. With regards to serious violence such as homicide and rape, the violence in relationships seems to be mostly one way. I don't think that's deniable however much you tinker with methodology. While denying that domestic violence against men by women is stupid and harmful, relentlessly trying to deny this issue's "gender asymmetry" or even imply men are the real silent victims on a mass social level just seems disingenuous.

Well keep in mind most women that kill their husbands typically are not charged with any crime. It's frequently marked as "self defense", and, while sometimes that designation is fair, sometimes it is not. We just automatically favor women in any kind of conflict with men.

Edit: Regarding the ABS survey, I've been looking for the actual questions asked. I haven't found them yet. We know that if you ask men "have you ever been raped" you get a tiny portion answering, but if you ask "has anyone ever forced you to have sex against your will" you get much higher responses. Rape and domestic violence are generally not thought of as affecting men (especially in Australia), so its important to ask behavioral questions instead of classification ones. I'm still looking.

[Costa Fierro]

Australian culture is very macho, even more so than the United States is. It's not unusual for men who are victims of violence at the hands of women to be laughed at and shamed by the very authorities that are supposed to deliver them justice.

New Zealand suffers the same problem.

[Blasted Craigs]

Oh no, I'm not saying that it is mostly done by men to women, I mean violent crimes in general are usually committed against men. DV is, from what I have seen in the last while, about 50-50, and is often mutual.

EDIT: But a large part of the problem is that while women are giving the supports they need when they are subject to DV, men are not. There are few if any men's shelters, and intervention programs in the US operate under the assumption that the man is always at fault.

Depends how you define violence, if you do it broadly it might just be that in some countries it's 50-50. But when looking at serious violence it dramatically skews against women. I'm only familiar with Australian statistics and situations. Maybe your countries are bizarrely different, but I doubt it.

A hidden camera situation was done as a public message of sorts in England not too long ago...
When the actors showed a man being potentially violent to a woman, people not only spoke out but also intervened to ensure the woman was safe.
Roles were reversed, and people not only mostly ignored the violence to the man, but some actually laughed at his plight and cheered the woman on.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2D348tMv50

Makes one think about societies attitude towards domestic violence.
This shows how men are shamed into silence about any abuse they suffer at the hands of women.

[Wysten]

Depends how you define violence, if you do it broadly it might just be that in some countries it's 50-50. But when looking at serious violence it dramatically skews against women. I'm only familiar with Australian statistics and situations. Maybe your countries are bizarrely different, but I doubt it.

A hidden camera situation was done as a public message of sorts in England not too long ago...
When the actors showed a man being potentially violent to a woman, people not only spoke out but also intervened to ensure the woman was safe.
Roles were reversed, and people not only mostly ignored the violence to the man, but some actually laughed at his plight and cheered the woman on.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2D348tMv50

Makes one think about societies attitude towards domestic violence.
This shows how men are shamed into silence about any abuse they suffer at the hands of women.

But but but blasted isn't that just revenge for all that male privilege that I have no sources to back my claim REEEEEE.

[Ethel mermania]

This thread was more entertaining when trying to design a propane based sex robot.

[Napkiraly]

No, but it might revolutionize the porn industry.

[Galloism]

This thread was more entertaining when trying to design a propane based sex robot.

You know, if you did it right, the robot could cook a sandwich in its bare hand.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

This thread was more entertaining when trying to design a propane based sex robot.

You know, if you did it right, the robot could cook a sandwich in its bare hand.

That'd be an interesting mod for sure.

As a default? No. I don't think I'm ready to listen to news that some dude burned his dick off by forgetting that the robot's hands are as hot as a pan.

Because you know this is going to happen if you set this feature as a default and not an option.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

No, but it might revolutionize the porn industry.

"Bot sex" sounds like a category of porn that should have been a thing years ago.

[Computer Lab]

You know, if you did it right, the robot could cook a sandwich in its bare hand.

That'd be an interesting mod for sure.

As a default? No. I don't think I'm ready to listen to news that some dude burned his dick off by forgetting that the robot's hands are as hot as a pan.

Because you know this is going to happen if you set this feature as a default and not an option.

I think they deserve it if that happens.