Are upcoming sex robots going to normalize male aggression?

[Senkaku]

Years/decades away if it's possible at all, based on our current ideas. It's possible that you can't just give a machine a soul. I'm inclined to believe it is, but some people think it's hopeless.

You admitted you don't know what a soul is? I don't know why you're continuing along this line.

No one does. The entire point of this was to point out to Oil how stupid his idea about a sex doll that was actually indistinguishable from a person is. We don't even know what a soul is, we think we're maybe decades away from making one in a lab (assuming that's possible), and we can't even properly simulate even soulless human intelligence.

It is- if it can't have an emotional bond with you at all, even a minor one, then it can't mimic a human.


Yes- and humans and human sexuality and our desires go deeper than that.

Am I a rabidly individualistic libertine supporting my hedonism above all else or am I naively falling for a Disney version of society where people have emotional needs and desires that actually outweigh sex and pleasure? Make up your mind, Bakery. :^)

As if one can't be both at the same time? That Disney shit is just another sentimental balm that prevents us from confronting truths about ourselves and we're where going.

I'll put you down for "undecided", then? Or "whichever suits my mood"?

I specifically mentioned the elderly. These problems aren't confined to the youth.

That's true, I suppose this has some Luddism in addition to the whole "kids today muh societal decline."

[Senkaku]

Anyways, I'm going to bed- someone should totally make an AI megathread if there isn't already one tho, I'd be down

[Dooom35796821595]

Oh, the Asari are creepy as hell, have a total Catuhulu vibe. It's even suggested in game that they use mind control to mate with other species...

And they were actually based off of a few species in Star Trek and Babylon 5 (Namely the Taresians and Minbari, respectively).

I swear, it's like Star Trek deliberately tried to cram every possible idea into its lore just so it can go, "we did that first!"
Ehh, we all know they nicked it from someone else.

[New haven america]

And they were actually based off of a few species in Star Trek and Babylon 5 (Namely the Taresians and Minbari, respectively).

I swear, it's like Star Trek deliberately tried to cram every possible idea into its lore just so it can go, "we did that first!"
Ehh, we all know they nicked it from someone else.

Star Trek did a lot of things first, and usually did them best. (Minus a few... exceptions... >_>)
Actually, that's Mass Effect. Name any sci-fi series or movie released before 2007, chances are that Bioware's "Borrowed" some ideas from them.

[Oil exporting People]

It's not a shaming attempt, it's pointing out your ignorance when it comes to member of the opposite sex.

When the argument degenerates to the point your only recourse is "How many notches you got on your belt?", it's time to back out because you clearly have no points from which to base an argument. Anyway, isn't this whole line of reasoning sexist anyway fam?

[New haven america]

It's not a shaming attempt, it's pointing out your ignorance when it comes to member of the opposite sex.

When the argument degenerates to the point your only recourse is "How many notches you got on your belt?", it's time to back out because you clearly have no points from which to base an argument. Anyway, isn't this whole line of reasoning sexist anyway fam?

No, it's the fact that he believes that women apparently have society in the palm of their hand and that pretty much every facet of society is made to favor women, when that's not the case.

You do know he's an admitted misogynist, right? He's made absolutely no secret of that.

[Oil exporting People]

No, it's the fact that he believes that women apparently have society in the palm of their hand and that pretty much every facet of society is made to favor women, when that's not the case.

Since we're on this topic, in what ways do they not in your opinion?

You do know he's an admitted misogynist, right? He's made absolutely no secret of that.

I'm personally a sexist, or at least what the Left defines as such, but that's besides the point; utilizing shaming tactics is when your argument completely breaks down because there's no logic there.

[Albrenia]

Not every facet of society is made to favour women, that's just silly. Are you seriously suggesting some form of Matriarchy exists? That's just as daft as the opposite.

[Costa Fierro]

They don't need to mate. They can be a cheeky bugger and order it online.

"Wait, some assembly required? FUCK!"

That's the thing with self assembly: there's always a screw left over.

I'll see myself out.

[New haven america]

No, it's the fact that he believes that women apparently have society in the palm of their hand and that pretty much every facet of society is made to favor women, when that's not the case.

Since we're on this topic, in what ways do they not in your opinion?

You do know he's an admitted misogynist, right? He's made absolutely no secret of that.

I'm personally a sexist, or at least what the Left defines as such, but that's besides the point; utilizing shaming tactics is when your argument completely breaks down because there's no logic there.

Well, for one thing, they don't have to deal with things like "Man up, be a man, etc..." gender shaming stereotypes (Hold in emotion, only rely on yourself, be expendable, etc...) that most societies come with. A pretty good example of this was posted here.

Ah, how adorable, what the left says, couldn't avoid that one, could you? Anyway, don't believe me? Take their word for it. Also, if you knew better, you'd now it's not a shaming tactic, it's pointing out his ignorance when it comes to women and how they act. They're not all evil harpies that want to bleed him dry of money and dignity, they're people, with their own needs, problems, etc... It has nothing to do with how much he's scored, it does, however, have to do with how much he actually understands women. Not my fault you misinterpreted it that way.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

No.

[New haven america]

Anyways, I'm going to bed- someone should totally make an AI megathread if there isn't already one tho, I'd be down

I'm pretty sure we already had one of those.

[Oil exporting People]

Well, for one thing, they don't have to deal with things like "Man up, be a man, etc..." gender shaming stereotypes (Hold in emotion, only rely on yourself, be expendable, etc...) that most societies come with. A pretty goo example of this was posted here.

Ah, how adorable, what the left says, couldn't avoid that one, could you? Anyway, don't believe me? Take their word for it. Also, if you knew better, you'd now it's not a shaming tactic, it's pointing out his ignorance when it comes to women and how they act. They're not all evil harpies that want to bleed him dry of money and dignity, they're people, with their own needs, problems, etc... It has nothing to do with how much he's scored, it does, however, have to do with how much he actually understands women. Not my fault you misinterpreted it that way.

We're definitely going to go off-topic, and I've already hijacked enough threads; wanna continue it in TG or create a new thread?

[Costa Fierro]

Someone who thinks of their own selfish and fleeting pleasures might make the point that a sex toy like this might be less expensive than a partner.

It'd be an interesting experiment, certainly. The cheapest one I know of is about $400 (got the price from some dude on Reddit who ordered one, I wouldn't have the term "cheap sex robot" in the browser history without setting my computer on fire), and depending on how long the battery lasts (assuming it is battery powered), it should be a one-time investment of the purchase price. However I'd say unless you were incredibly frugal, 12 months of dating is going to be way more expensive than 12 months of having a sex robot.

We can expect interest in real relationships to decline, with perhaps a similar dynamic to what you're already seeing in Japan with our comparatively primitive technology.

Japan's Herbivore Men movement is an interesting phenomenon whose origins are more interested in Japan's modern societal expectations rather than the advance of technology and alternatives to women for sex (although it's certainly playing it's part).

[Costa Fierro]

Mastubatorial aids are a bit different than partner surrogates.

Honestly, I wouldn't even really call sex robots "partner surrogates", because it would assume the programming in them is or they were designed to be beyond sexual, and we haven't really reached a stage in which such creations exist, at least in a practical form to sell commercially.

Of course, people leave what they mean by "sex robot" conveniently undefined. Because that can mean a whole lot of different things. Are we talking about real dolls that can articulate and try to simulate various coital acts? Or are we talking about the application of artificial general intelligence to fill the partner shaped hole in people's lives?

Sex robots, at least in my view, are defined as real dolls that are designed to provide sexual stimulus.

[Minzerland II]

Since we're on this topic, in what ways do they not in your opinion?




I'm personally a sexist, or at least what the Left defines as such, but that's besides the point; utilizing shaming tactics is when your argument completely breaks down because there's no logic there.

Well, for one thing, they don't have to deal with things like "Man up, be a man, etc..." gender shaming stereotypes (Hold in emotion, only rely on yourself, be expendable, etc...) that most societies come with. A pretty goo example of this was posted here.

Ah, how adorable, what the left says, couldn't avoid that one, could you? Anyway, don't believe me? Take their word for it. Also, if you knew better, you'd now it's not a shaming tactic, it's pointing out his ignorance when it comes to women and how they act. They're not all evil harpies that want to bleed him dry of money and dignity, they're people, with their own needs, problems, etc... It has nothing to do with how much he's scored, it does, however, have to do with how much he actually understands women. Not my fault you misinterpreted it that way.

Tbf, those are pretty desirable and virtuous in men; and whilst not all men have these virtues, I wouldn't call men without those vitues 'virtuous men'. I think they ought to be encouraged.

[Gauthier]

Pretty much. If you're that desperate for some pussy, buy a ticket to Bangkok. It's cheaper (though you'll probs get an STD).

As a robosexual, I find this offensive.

#loveisnotcarbonbased

Sheesh, at least wait until artificial intelligence is more advanced than MIcrosoft Windows.

[Gauthier]

I've always hated Mass Effect, the Asari in particular, the way in which they breed makes me want to kill myself, if I remember what they do correctly, but refresh my memory on what happened to Quarians.

A robot asked a question. Don't recall what the question was, but it demonstrated sapience.

The Quarians freaked, tried to extermine them all.

Instead, they were driven from their planet and wound up refugees in space.

So The Matrix, but more polite about it.

[James_xenoland]

Oh god.. So much femobabble and self-righteous femsplaining in that OP/article.. ugh Utter bollocks!

I still don't see how it gets from sex bot -to- male aggression. But even if that was the case.. What about dildos? surely reducing males down to just an erect penis is just as "problematic" is it not? Would cause the same "problems", would it not? Again... Utter bollocks!


It's feminuts like this that help cement the looney tunes image of modern feminism as being both totalitarianistic and batshit insane. (of pompous absurdity) It really needs to not only do a much better job of distancing itself from this type of bullshit, but also be a lot more unambiguous in calling it out as well.

[Herador]

A robot asked a question. Don't recall what the question was, but it demonstrated sapience.

The Quarians freaked, tried to extermine them all.

Instead, they were driven from their planet and wound up refugees in space.

So The Matrix, but more polite about it.

Kind of, but most of the Geth were surprisingly chill about the whole thing and once the Quarians did the diplomatic equivalent of saying "whoops our bad" everything was Gucci.

...

I mean, they also fought off a race of Lovecraftian life exterminating space robots based on superintelligent fish together. Struggling to save the Galaxy as they knew it together probably helped.

Oh god.. So much femobabble and self-righteous femsplaining in that OP/article.. ugh Utter bollocks!

Huh, so you survived your encounter with the dark one's, eh?

[Costa Fierro]

I still don't see how it gets from sex bot -to- male aggression. But even if that was the case.. What about dildos? surely reducing males down to just an erect penis is just as "problematic" is it not? Would cause the same "problems", would it not? Again... Utter bollocks!

It wouldn't even reduce men down to being an erect penis. It essentially reduces men to being virtually worthless with regards to women achieving orgasm.

[Philjia]

No. As with porn, it's down to the person using it, and fantasy is different to reality. Lots of women fantasise, or have fantasised, about being raped, but they still don't actually want to get raped. Likewise, what men may fantasise about will be unlikely to totally reflect what they'd be comfortable doing in reality.

[James_xenoland]

So The Matrix, but more polite about it.

Kind of, but most of the Geth were surprisingly chill about the whole thing and once the Quarians did the diplomatic equivalent of saying "whoops our bad" everything was Gucci.

...

I mean, they also fought off a race of Lovecraftian life exterminating space robots based on superintelligent fish together. Struggling to save the Galaxy as they knew it together probably helped.

Oh god.. So much femobabble and self-righteous femsplaining in that OP/article.. ugh Utter bollocks!

Huh, so you survived your encounter with the dark one's, eh?

lol

I should point out that the "fem" in those are for feminist, not female.

I still don't see how it gets from sex bot -to- male aggression. But even if that was the case.. What about dildos? surely reducing males down to just an erect penis is just as "problematic" is it not? Would cause the same "problems", would it not? Again... Utter bollocks!

It wouldn't even reduce men down to being an erect penis. It essentially reduces men to being virtually worthless with regards to women achieving orgasm.

Yup, very true. OC they no doubt don't see it that way, in fact it's prob "sexist" of us for just comparing it. haha

[Infected Mushroom]

I fail to see the concern.

Its a sex robot; its meant to be exploited. That's its true purpose. The charter does not apply to sex robots.

[Arkinesia]

So let me get this straight.

You're gonna worry about a sex robot—a hypothetical future problem, and not, say, “the lovable chauvinist” trope in television, a real, current problem.

Okay.