Are upcoming sex robots going to normalize male aggression?

[Bakery Hill]

Wow. You people honestly can't or are not willing to see the difference can you? Poor souls.

>tfw no robo slaves with which to build ancapistan

One day we won't need your sort anymore Bakery, one day

I am a moralising fascistic remnant of the past. I'm perfectly aware that the forces of transhumanist hedonism will terminate my license to consume oxygen on these grounds. RIP me.

[Dooom35796821595]

If you can get a motion sensor and program your computer to say that as it detects motion, then it is perfectly possible

There's nothing else to do next saturday night.

Code 2485! CODE 2485!!!

[Senkaku]

transhumanist hedonism

s o o n

[Bakery Hill]

You keep getting stuck on the nature of what is and what is not a machine. As I've said, that's not even my primary concern. Look at what me and Trots and even Liri have said again. We should be encouraging meaningful and equal relationships between people as the building blocks of society, this does the exact opposite.

This is a value based stance, based on what you want your society to look like. If you're pro some sort of Silicon Valley transhumanist hypercapitalist atomisation I don't expect you to give it much credence.

Meaningful relationships start with the parents being able to teach kids how to relate to other people, and to machiens.

How are sex robots going to change parenting in the future to the point where meaningful and equal relationships are not encouraged by parents as a social mechanism of success?

Why worry about a human partner when you can have an extremely lifelike surrogate that never talks back? Many people won't.

[The East Marches II]

transhumanist hedonism

s o o n

>when the liberals think it will be for pleasure and not money alone

Yes that's exactly it :^)

[FelrikTheDeleted]

I am a moralising fascistic remnant of the past. I'm perfectly aware that the forces of transhumanist hedonism will terminate my license to consume oxygen on these grounds. RIP me.

The year is 2100, and the last vestiges of the non-hedonist society are falling...

[Senkaku]

Meaningful relationships start with the parents being able to teach kids how to relate to other people, and to machiens.

How are sex robots going to change parenting in the future to the point where meaningful and equal relationships are not encouraged by parents as a social mechanism of success?

Why worry about a human partner when you can have an extremely lifelike surrogate that never talks back? Many people won't.

Almost everyone on the planet has hands, and dildos and vibrators are available to hundreds of millions if not billions of people, and yet this has not come to pass.

It turns out most people would like more than quick on-demand orgasms from their relationships.

[Senkaku]

s o o n

>when the liberals think it will be for pleasure and not money alone

Yes that's exactly it :^)

When TEM "Four Olds" thinks his primitive notions of currency will be relevant after the singularity

[The East Marches II]

>when the liberals think it will be for pleasure and not money alone

Yes that's exactly it :^)

When TEM "Four Olds" thinks his primitive notions of currency will be relevant after the singularity

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Pls no bully

[Oil exporting People]

Almost everyone on the planet has hands, and dildos and vibrators are available to hundreds of millions if not billions of people, and yet this has not come to pass.

It turns out most people would like more than quick on-demand orgasms from their relationships.

To be fair, there is a big difference between, well, manual release that is done by one's self and having something that is perfectly able to mimic a partner. Honestly, once you get into effective AI, artificial eggs, and artificial wombs, these things can completely replace human relationships.

[Asherahan]

I haven't been to the forum in months and this thread is what I see first.

Woe is me.

Also no it will not.

[Senkaku]

Almost everyone on the planet has hands, and dildos and vibrators are available to hundreds of millions if not billions of people, and yet this has not come to pass.

It turns out most people would like more than quick on-demand orgasms from their relationships.

To be fair, there is a big difference between, well, manual release that is done by one's self and having something that is perfectly able to mimic a partner.

Sex dolls cannot "perfectly mimic" a partner, because they aren't fucking people.

Okay, they are fucking people, but they are not people, they are machines.

Honestly, once you get into effective AI, artificial eggs, and artificial wombs, these things can completely replace human relationships.

"Effective" AI? Like AI that's indistinguishable from a person? And artificial eggs and artificial wombs? Sounds like you're describing a woman who has consciousness, a body, and rights, even if she wasn't made out of flesh and blood like the rest of us. :^)

When we get to that point, there's going to be bigger conversations we'll need to have.

[FelrikTheDeleted]

To be fair, there is a big difference between, well, manual release that is done by one's self and having something that is perfectly able to mimic a partner. Honestly, once you get into effective AI, artificial eggs, and artificial wombs, these things can completely replace human relationships.

When it gets to that point, it is time to consider the V2.

[Minzerland II]

It is very telling when anyone needs a sex robot.

[Galloism]

"Effective" AI? Like AI that's indistinguishable from a person? And artificial eggs and artificial wombs? Sounds like you're describing a woman who has consciousness, a body, and rights, even if she wasn't made out of flesh and blood like the rest of us. :^)

When we get to that point, there's going to be bigger conversations we'll need to have.

Really big conversations. Like whether they get the right to vote, and how do you handle rights for a consciousness that can self replicate in minutes instead of decades.

[Senkaku]

"Effective" AI? Like AI that's indistinguishable from a person? And artificial eggs and artificial wombs? Sounds like you're describing a woman who has consciousness, a body, and rights, even if she wasn't made out of flesh and blood like the rest of us. :^)

When we get to that point, there's going to be bigger conversations we'll need to have.

Really big conversations. Like whether they get the right to vote, and how do you handle rights for a consciousness that can self replicate in minutes instead of decades.

And what's the deal with having beings who can be in multiple places at once and have multiple versions of themselves...

[FelrikTheDeleted]

"Effective" AI? Like AI that's indistinguishable from a person? And artificial eggs and artificial wombs? Sounds like you're describing a woman who has consciousness, a body, and rights, even if she wasn't made out of flesh and blood like the rest of us. :^)[...]

*Screams like a girl* BURN IT! BURN IT! AHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[ERROR]FELRIK.exe has shutdown[ERROR]

[Oil exporting People]

Sex dolls cannot "perfectly mimic" a partner, because they aren't fucking people.

A normal rubber doll or something, yes, but the fact they're working on much more advanced stuff has come up a lot in the news as of late.

"Effective" AI? Like AI that's indistinguishable from a person? And artificial eggs and artificial wombs? Sounds like you're describing a woman who has consciousness, a body, and rights, even if she wasn't made out of flesh and blood like the rest of us. :^)

This whole convo is about to go rapidly down a rabbit hole.

[Senkaku]

"Effective" AI? Like AI that's indistinguishable from a person? And artificial eggs and artificial wombs? Sounds like you're describing a woman who has consciousness, a body, and rights, even if she wasn't made out of flesh and blood like the rest of us. :^)[...]

*Screams like a girl* BURN IT! BURN IT! AHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA[ERROR]FELRIK.exe has shutdown[ERROR]

Tbh it's an interesting philosophical question.

As a general rule, if you can build a being with a human's intelligence and consciousness and emotional needs out of clay or steel or silicon or whatever, you're in over your head.

[Bakery Hill]

Almost everyone on the planet has hands, and dildos and vibrators are available to hundreds of millions if not billions of people, and yet this has not come to pass.

It turns out most people would like more than quick on-demand orgasms from their relationships.

To be fair, there is a big difference between, well, manual release that is done by one's self and having something that is perfectly able to mimic a partner. Honestly, once you get into effective AI, artificial eggs, and artificial wombs, these things can completely replace human relationships.

Pretty much this. There's a massive difference.

[Senkaku]

Sex dolls cannot "perfectly mimic" a partner, because they aren't fucking people.

A normal rubber doll or something, yes, but the fact they're working on much more advanced stuff has come up a lot in the news as of late.

And at the end of the day, the stuff they're working on? Still machines.

"Effective" AI? Like AI that's indistinguishable from a person? And artificial eggs and artificial wombs? Sounds like you're describing a woman who has consciousness, a body, and rights, even if she wasn't made out of flesh and blood like the rest of us. :^)

This whole convo is about to go rapidly down a rabbit hole.

Then deal with what exists, not stupid hypotheticals about building a lady version of Vision from the Avengers.

[Bakery Hill]

A normal rubber doll or something, yes, but the fact they're working on much more advanced stuff has come up a lot in the news as of late.

And at the end of the day, the stuff they're working on? Still machines.

You lost your point there.

[Senkaku]

To be fair, there is a big difference between, well, manual release that is done by one's self and having something that is perfectly able to mimic a partner. Honestly, once you get into effective AI, artificial eggs, and artificial wombs, these things can completely replace human relationships.

Pretty much this. There's a massive difference.

When they can make computers with souls, you can say "I told you so," I guess? Until then, it's nbd, since they'll never meet our needs beyond sex, and once we get there- well fuck, they have souls and real emotions and shit, so what's wrong with actually then having a relationship with them?

[Oil exporting People]

[And at the end of the day, the stuff they're working on? Still machines.

Then why did you say we'd have bigger questions? If they're just machines, no questions.

Then deal with what exists, not stupid hypotheticals about building a lady version of Vision from the Avengers.

It's not a hypothetical when such is actually occurring, and will be a question going forward. Why kick the can down the road, or stick one's hand in the sand? We're not out of Oil yet, but such will come one day as an example.

[Senkaku]

And at the end of the day, the stuff they're working on? Still machines.

You lost your point there.

Did I? I don't see it.

[And at the end of the day, the stuff they're working on? Still machines.

Then why did you say we'd have bigger questions? If they're just machines, no questions.

...surely you aren't under the impression that someone is actually working on Lady Vision now, are you?

At the moment, I have no questions. When they start making computers with souls and putting them in dolls with wombs, call me.

Then deal with what exists, not stupid hypotheticals about building a lady version of Vision from the Avengers.

It's not a hypothetical when such is actually occurring, and will be a question going forward. Why kick the can down the road, or stick one's hand in the sand? We're not out of Oil yet, but such will come one day as an example.

We don't know that it's inevitable. We don't know really anything about consciousness or where it comes from and we can't say if we'll ever be able to create it in AIs. It is a hypothetical. What is actually occurring now is just an enhancement in masturbatory techniques, nothing more.