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Do you want to get married why or why not?

Yes because I want to live the rest of my life with my BF or GF cause I love them so much
148
25%
No, because I don't want to be stuck with someone for life
19
3%
Yes because of those sweet sweet tax cuts.
19
3%
No, because I would rather like life to the fullest and not settle down
53
9%
Yes because I want to have a stable home for my future kids
99
17%
No, because I want kids but not a wife/husband
9
2%
Yes, for religious reasons
53
9%
No, not now but later on in life maybe.
200
33%
 
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Postby Dylar » Thu Oct 05, 2017 2:20 pm

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The New California Republic wrote:Modern polygamy is very different. Nowadays they tend to be very loving group relationships, where everyone mutually loves and respects one another, irrespective of gender.

I'll be sure to check next time I'm in a Muslim country.

Wait...I didn't think they had polygamous relationships...
But why go to a Muslim country? There are plenty of Mormon communities in the U.S.
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Postby The Parkus Empire » Thu Oct 05, 2017 2:21 pm

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New haven america wrote:Actually, humans aren't a naturally monogamous species, funnily enough...

Indeed, most of the time it has to be forced, with the non-monogamous urges being fought tooth and nail by religions/morality.

Indeed, controlling your base instincts and animal inclinations is the foundation of civilization.
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Postby The New California Republic » Thu Oct 05, 2017 2:21 pm

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The New California Republic wrote:Modern polygamy is very different. Nowadays they tend to be very loving group relationships, where everyone mutually loves and respects one another, irrespective of gender.

I'll be sure to check next time I'm in a Muslim country.

I am not talking about religion-based polygamy.
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Postby The Parkus Empire » Thu Oct 05, 2017 2:21 pm

Dylar wrote:
The Parkus Empire wrote:I'll be sure to check next time I'm in a Muslim country.

Wait...I didn't think they had polygamous relationships...
But why go to a Muslim country? There are plenty of Mormon communities in the U.S.

Islam allows Muslims to have up to four wives, and I think Mohammed had thirteen.

Mormon communities are seldom polygamous these days.
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Postby New haven america » Thu Oct 05, 2017 2:22 pm

The New California Republic wrote:
New haven america wrote:Actually, humans aren't a naturally monogamous species, funnily enough...

Indeed, most of the time it has to be forced, with the non-monogamous urges being fought tooth and nail by religions/morality.

IIRC, some biologists even believe that it would be healthier for each human/partner (This includes both males, females, and anything in-between) should have 2 partners instead of 1.
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Postby The Parkus Empire » Thu Oct 05, 2017 2:22 pm

The New California Republic wrote:
The Parkus Empire wrote:I'll be sure to check next time I'm in a Muslim country.

I am not talking about religion-based polygamy.

Then it has zero place in regard to a question about religious doctrine.
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Postby Petrolheadia » Thu Oct 05, 2017 2:22 pm

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Petrolheadia wrote:Does not mean it always has to look like this.

Christian marriage is about subordination to God's will, though, not about God pleasing yours.

So, we're kinda like his slaves?
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Postby The Parkus Empire » Thu Oct 05, 2017 2:23 pm

New haven america wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:Indeed, most of the time it has to be forced, with the non-monogamous urges being fought tooth and nail by religions/morality.

IIRC, some biologists even believe that it would be healthier for each human/partner should have 2 partners instead of 1.

My goodness, how ridiculous our society is! We can't even be depraved anymore without using scientific justification. We can't say, "I have sex with people because I lust," but, "Because it's healthy!"
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Postby The New California Republic » Thu Oct 05, 2017 2:24 pm

The Parkus Empire wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:Indeed, most of the time it has to be forced, with the non-monogamous urges being fought tooth and nail by religions/morality.

Indeed, controlling your base instincts and animal inclinations is the foundation of civilization.

Indeed, but there is a difference between a rational control and a control that is based on the teachings of a book that is thousands of years old.
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Postby The Parkus Empire » Thu Oct 05, 2017 2:24 pm

Petrolheadia wrote:
The Parkus Empire wrote:Christian marriage is about subordination to God's will, though, not about God pleasing yours.

So, we're kinda like his slaves?

From a Christian perspective, you are either God's slave, or Satan's slave, and when you die the clock stops and you go into the custody of one or the other.
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Postby Petrolheadia » Thu Oct 05, 2017 2:25 pm

The Parkus Empire wrote:
New haven america wrote:IIRC, some biologists even believe that it would be healthier for each human/partner should have 2 partners instead of 1.

My goodness, how ridiculous our society is! We can't even be depraved anymore without using scientific justification. We can't say, "I have sex with people because I lust," but, "Because it's healthy!"

The question to every problem shouldn't be "why should I?", but "why shouldn't I?".
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Postby The New California Republic » Thu Oct 05, 2017 2:25 pm

The Parkus Empire wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:I am not talking about religion-based polygamy.

Then it has zero place in regard to a question about religious doctrine.

We were talking about polygamy sans prefixes and suffixes before its relation to religious doctrine was mentioned.
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Postby The Parkus Empire » Thu Oct 05, 2017 2:25 pm

The New California Republic wrote:
The Parkus Empire wrote:Indeed, controlling your base instincts and animal inclinations is the foundation of civilization.

Indeed, but there is a difference between a rational control and a control that is based on the teachings of a book that is thousands of years old.

Reason is only a small part of what makes me human, and, in sophisticated form, was never the basis of civilization, but the invention of it.
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Postby The Parkus Empire » Thu Oct 05, 2017 2:26 pm

Petrolheadia wrote:
The Parkus Empire wrote:My goodness, how ridiculous our society is! We can't even be depraved anymore without using scientific justification. We can't say, "I have sex with people because I lust," but, "Because it's healthy!"

The question to every problem shouldn't be "why should I?", but "why shouldn't I?".

No, not from a Christian perspective. The question must always be, "Am I doing this to fulfill God's will"?
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Postby Petrolheadia » Thu Oct 05, 2017 2:26 pm

The Parkus Empire wrote:
Petrolheadia wrote:So, we're kinda like his slaves?

From a Christian perspective, you are either God's slave, or Satan's slave, and when you die the clock stops and you go into the custody of one or the other.

If God is real, then I feel like somebody grabbed me and put me in a sadistic reality show.
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Postby Dylar » Thu Oct 05, 2017 2:27 pm

Petrolheadia wrote:
The Parkus Empire wrote:Christian marriage is about subordination to God's will, though, not about God pleasing yours.

So, we're kinda like his slaves?

Not quite. We have a choice to do whatever the hell we want, until we die and meet him in the afterlife for our judgement.
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Postby Petrolheadia » Thu Oct 05, 2017 2:27 pm

The Parkus Empire wrote:
Petrolheadia wrote:The question to every problem shouldn't be "why should I?", but "why shouldn't I?".

No, not from a Christian perspective. The question must always be, "Am I doing this to fulfill God's will"?

Listen, before I become a slave, I have to know my master exists.
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Postby The Parkus Empire » Thu Oct 05, 2017 2:28 pm

Petrolheadia wrote:
The Parkus Empire wrote:From a Christian perspective, you are either God's slave, or Satan's slave, and when you die the clock stops and you go into the custody of one or the other.

If God is real, then I feel like somebody grabbed me and put me in a sadistic reality show.

It's not sadistic, since God has an inverse order: "Blessed are those servants, whom the lord when he cometh shall find watching: verily I say unto you, that he shall gird himself, and make them to sit down to meat, and will come forth and serve them."
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Postby The Parkus Empire » Thu Oct 05, 2017 2:29 pm

Petrolheadia wrote:
The Parkus Empire wrote:No, not from a Christian perspective. The question must always be, "Am I doing this to fulfill God's will"?

Listen, before I become a slave, I have to know my master exists.

Yes, but that is beyond the scope of this thread.
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Postby New haven america » Thu Oct 05, 2017 2:29 pm

The Parkus Empire wrote:
Petrolheadia wrote:The question to every problem shouldn't be "why should I?", but "why shouldn't I?".

No, not from a Christian perspective. The question must always be, "Am I doing this to fulfill God's will"?

I'd like to point out that it was a clergyman who disproved the idea of creationism, which seems like it would definitely go against God's will.
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Do you think 1 form of poligamy is better or worse then the other? 1 man multiple woman or 1 woman and multiple men?
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Postby Petrolheadia » Thu Oct 05, 2017 2:30 pm

The Parkus Empire wrote:
Petrolheadia wrote:If God is real, then I feel like somebody grabbed me and put me in a sadistic reality show.

It's not sadistic, since God has an inverse order: "Blessed are those servants, whom the lord when he cometh shall find watching: verily I say unto you, that he shall gird himself, and make them to sit down to meat, and will come forth and serve them."

It's kinda sadistic. You have arbitrary rules you have to blindly follow, and you could have been engineered to happily follow them without questioning, but weren't.
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"They're always saying I'm a Capitalist pig. I suppose I am, but, ah...it ah...it's good for my drumming, I think." - Keith Moon,
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Postby Albrenia » Thu Oct 05, 2017 2:30 pm

So, about that marriage stuff...

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Postby New haven america » Thu Oct 05, 2017 2:31 pm

Petrolheadia wrote:
The Parkus Empire wrote:From a Christian perspective, you are either God's slave, or Satan's slave, and when you die the clock stops and you go into the custody of one or the other.

If God is real, then I feel like somebody grabbed me and put me in a sadistic reality show.

Eh, that's mostly for the OT, the NT is much more relaxed (You know, what Christians are supposed to be following, yet don't do a very good job at).
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Postby The New California Republic » Thu Oct 05, 2017 2:32 pm

Albrenia wrote:So, about that marriage stuff...

Indeed, we are discussing polygamous marriage at the moment. Feel free to jump in, the more the merrier(!)
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