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Do you want to get married why or why not?

Yes because I want to live the rest of my life with my BF or GF cause I love them so much
148
25%
No, because I don't want to be stuck with someone for life
19
3%
Yes because of those sweet sweet tax cuts.
19
3%
No, because I would rather like life to the fullest and not settle down
53
9%
Yes because I want to have a stable home for my future kids
99
17%
No, because I want kids but not a wife/husband
9
2%
Yes, for religious reasons
53
9%
No, not now but later on in life maybe.
200
33%
 
Total votes : 600

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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Thu Oct 05, 2017 1:57 pm

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But remember per your own words its abuse if you don't include your spouse in the will even if they are a billionair and well off to do and you want to help your children get ahead in life. all must be equal.

But, you see, it's a polygamous relationship disguised as a corporation, so he'd be including all the spouses in his will.

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Postby The New California Republic » Thu Oct 05, 2017 1:58 pm

Dylar wrote:
Keshiland wrote:
But remember per your own words its abuse if you don't include your spouse in the will even if they are a billionair and well off to do and you want to help your children get ahead in life. all must be equal.

But, you see, it's a polygamous relationship disguised as a corporation, so he'd be including all the spouses in his will.

Indeed it is, you understand it perfectly.*

*apart from referring to her as a "he".
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Postby Dylar » Thu Oct 05, 2017 2:00 pm

Internationalist Bastard wrote:
Dylar wrote:But, you see, it's a polygamous relationship disguised as a corporation, so he'd be including all the spouses in his will.

*She*
And I'm glad we are debating the merits of polygamy trunced into a business partnership

Mein apologies.

Also polygamy is heresy! Well, someone had to say it...
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Postby Petrolheadia » Thu Oct 05, 2017 2:01 pm

Dylar wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:*She*
And I'm glad we are debating the merits of polygamy trunced into a business partnership

Mein apologies.

Also polygamy is heresy! Well, someone had to say it...

I gotta ask, why is it a heresy?
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Postby The Parkus Empire » Thu Oct 05, 2017 2:01 pm

Petrolheadia wrote:
Dylar wrote:Mein apologies.

Also polygamy is heresy! Well, someone had to say it...

I gotta ask, why is it a heresy?

Goes against dogma.
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Postby Petrolheadia » Thu Oct 05, 2017 2:02 pm

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Petrolheadia wrote:I gotta ask, why is it a heresy?

Goes against dogma.

No, as in why the dogma excludes it?
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Postby The New California Republic » Thu Oct 05, 2017 2:04 pm

Internationalist Bastard wrote:I'm glad we are debating the merits of polygamy trunced into a business partnership

We are just using business law as a framework and precedent, "thinking out loud" and such. Creative legal solutions are always fun, especially when it is encroaching into mostly uncharted territory as far as the law is concerned.
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Postby Keshiland » Thu Oct 05, 2017 2:06 pm

The New California Republic wrote:
Keshiland wrote:
But remember per your own words its abuse if you don't include your spouse in the will


Nope, I didn't say that. You are putting words in my mouth again, that is very bad of you. Naughty naughty Keshiland!

Also, how is the spouse not included in the will if they are form part of the legal person that is formed? They are included in the will as part of the legal person, so you are talking nonsense Keshiland.


The will is simply who you wish to leave your stuff to. So I would not be abusive to only leave my assets to my kids?
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Postby The Parkus Empire » Thu Oct 05, 2017 2:07 pm

Petrolheadia wrote:
The Parkus Empire wrote:Goes against dogma.

No, as in why the dogma excludes it?

God says so.
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Postby Codora » Thu Oct 05, 2017 2:07 pm

The New California Republic wrote:
Codora wrote:I will not date anyone until marriage.

What do you mean by that? Do you mean that you will not date anyone up to the marriage stage, or do you mean you will not start dating someone until you are married?


I will not start dating someone until l I am married.

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Postby Dylar » Thu Oct 05, 2017 2:09 pm

Codora wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:What do you mean by that? Do you mean that you will not date anyone up to the marriage stage, or do you mean you will not start dating someone until you are married?


I will not start dating someone until l I am married.

Wait...but doesn't dating usually have to deal with trying to find the one you want to marry, and when you do, you go into a courtship, and then marriage? I don't think you're supposed to marry and then date...
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Postby Petrolheadia » Thu Oct 05, 2017 2:09 pm

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Petrolheadia wrote:No, as in why the dogma excludes it?

God says so.

And why?
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Postby New haven america » Thu Oct 05, 2017 2:10 pm

Codora wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:What do you mean by that? Do you mean that you will not date anyone up to the marriage stage, or do you mean you will not start dating someone until you are married?


I will not start dating someone until l I am married.

Then how do you expect to find the person you're going to marry?
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Postby The New California Republic » Thu Oct 05, 2017 2:12 pm

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Nope, I didn't say that. You are putting words in my mouth again, that is very bad of you. Naughty naughty Keshiland!

Also, how is the spouse not included in the will if they are form part of the legal person that is formed? They are included in the will as part of the legal person, so you are talking nonsense Keshiland.


The will is simply who you wish to leave your stuff to. So I would not be abusive to only leave my assets to my kids?

Keshiland, we are talking about polygamous marriage, and using corporate law as a framework and precedent, towards creating a legal person out of all the people in the relationship, in order to act as a single next of kin. It has nothing to do with whatever you have just said.
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Postby The Parkus Empire » Thu Oct 05, 2017 2:13 pm

Petrolheadia wrote:
The Parkus Empire wrote:God says so.

And why?

God doesn't possess any human faculties except in the incarnation, so there is no "why" in humanist terms, but practically speaking marriage is a devotion, and keeping it open on the male's end is whoring on his part (this is the term also used when you worship a god other than YHWH, it's likened to betraying your exclusive devotion to him). Marriage is a spiritual path to salvation; that is all it is, everything in it is subordinated to that end.
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Postby Petrolheadia » Thu Oct 05, 2017 2:14 pm

The Parkus Empire wrote:
Petrolheadia wrote:And why?

God doesn't possess any human faculties except in the incarnation, so there is no "why" in humanist terms, but practically speaking marriage is a devotion, and keeping it open on the male's end is whoring on his part (this is the term also used when you worship a god other than YHWH, it's likened to betraying your exclusive devotion to him). Marriage is a spiritual path to salvation; that is all it is, everything in it is subordinated to that end.

One can be devoted to a few people more than to a single person.
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Postby The New California Republic » Thu Oct 05, 2017 2:15 pm

Codora wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:What do you mean by that? Do you mean that you will not date anyone up to the marriage stage, or do you mean you will not start dating someone until you are married?


I will not start dating someone until l I am married.

That is impossible. That is like getting a job as a pilot before you have ever flown a plane.
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Postby Dylar » Thu Oct 05, 2017 2:15 pm

Petrolheadia wrote:
The Parkus Empire wrote:God doesn't possess any human faculties except in the incarnation, so there is no "why" in humanist terms, but practically speaking marriage is a devotion, and keeping it open on the male's end is whoring on his part (this is the term also used when you worship a god other than YHWH, it's likened to betraying your exclusive devotion to him). Marriage is a spiritual path to salvation; that is all it is, everything in it is subordinated to that end.

One can be devoted to a few people more than to a single person.

That's what we call "friends and loved ones"
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Postby The Parkus Empire » Thu Oct 05, 2017 2:16 pm

Petrolheadia wrote:
The Parkus Empire wrote:God doesn't possess any human faculties except in the incarnation, so there is no "why" in humanist terms, but practically speaking marriage is a devotion, and keeping it open on the male's end is whoring on his part (this is the term also used when you worship a god other than YHWH, it's likened to betraying your exclusive devotion to him). Marriage is a spiritual path to salvation; that is all it is, everything in it is subordinated to that end.

One can be devoted to a few people more than to a single person.

Historically that's not how it's worked. Polygamy just meant the man was free to screw around with women, but the women had to be devoted to him.
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Postby New haven america » Thu Oct 05, 2017 2:16 pm

Dylar wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:*She*
And I'm glad we are debating the merits of polygamy trunced into a business partnership

Mein apologies.

Also polygamy is heresy! Well, someone had to say it...

Actually, humans aren't a naturally monogamous species, funnily enough...
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Postby Petrolheadia » Thu Oct 05, 2017 2:17 pm

The Parkus Empire wrote:
Petrolheadia wrote:One can be devoted to a few people more than to a single person.

Historically that's not how it's worked. Polygamy just meant the man was free to screw around with women, but the women had to be devoted to him.

Does not mean it always has to look like this.
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Postby The New California Republic » Thu Oct 05, 2017 2:18 pm

The Parkus Empire wrote:
Petrolheadia wrote:One can be devoted to a few people more than to a single person.

Polygamy just meant the man was free to screw around with women, but the women had to be devoted to him.

Modern polygamy is very different. Nowadays they tend to be very loving group relationships, where everyone mutually loves and respects one another, irrespective of gender.
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Postby The Parkus Empire » Thu Oct 05, 2017 2:18 pm

Petrolheadia wrote:
The Parkus Empire wrote:Historically that's not how it's worked. Polygamy just meant the man was free to screw around with women, but the women had to be devoted to him.

Does not mean it always has to look like this.

Christian marriage is about subordination to God's will, though, not about God pleasing yours.
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Postby The Parkus Empire » Thu Oct 05, 2017 2:19 pm

The New California Republic wrote:
The Parkus Empire wrote:Polygamy just meant the man was free to screw around with women, but the women had to be devoted to him.

Modern polygamy is very different. Nowadays they tend to be very loving group relationships, where everyone mutually loves and respects one another, irrespective of gender.

I'll be sure to check next time I'm in a Muslim country.
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Postby The New California Republic » Thu Oct 05, 2017 2:20 pm

New haven america wrote:
Dylar wrote:Mein apologies.

Also polygamy is heresy! Well, someone had to say it...

Actually, humans aren't a naturally monogamous species, funnily enough...

Indeed, most of the time it has to be forced, with the non-monogamous urges being fought tooth and nail by religions/morality.
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