What is your thought on marriage?

[Keshiland]

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If this is all you meant by your various Dada-esque ramblings over the last year, you may want to look into remedial communications classes.

Like I said it comes from passion LOL.

[Twilight Imperium]

If this is all you meant by your various Dada-esque ramblings over the last year, you may want to look into remedial communications classes.

Like I said it comes from passion LOL.

You have half the people in this thread convinced you're the second coming of Charles Manson given all the stuff you've said. If you don't mean that, you should dampen your enthusiasm a little.

[Nulla Bellum]

Marriage is an expensive way to find out you hate someone.

/thread

[The Holy Therns]

If this is all you meant by your various Dada-esque ramblings over the last year, you may want to look into remedial communications classes.

Like I said it comes from passion LOL.

Nothing says passion like "LOL".

[Neutraligon]

If this is all you meant by your various Dada-esque ramblings over the last year, you may want to look into remedial communications classes.

Like I said it comes from passion LOL.

Your passion makes you seem like an authoritarian controlling abusive man? Also...didn't you claim to be good at convincing people of things? You do realize that part of raising healthy kids when you are actually married is doing things together as an entire family, including with their mother right?

[Helladic Empire]

Also, I would just like to say that even though I am totally straight, me and my best friend have a arrangement that after college we will get married for the tax breaks. And when one of us finds a woman we wish to marry we will simply divorce.

Anyone else think this is a good idea?

What is wrong with you Jesus Christ almighty..

[Neutraligon]

Also, I would just like to say that even though I am totally straight, me and my best friend have a arrangement that after college we will get married for the tax breaks. And when one of us finds a woman we wish to marry we will simply divorce.

Anyone else think this is a good idea?

Gallo has mentioned before but you do not always get a tax break from marriage. It depends on your and his financial situation.

[Keshiland]

Like I said it comes from passion LOL.

Your passion makes you seem like an authoritarian controlling abusive man? Also...didn't you claim to be good at convincing people of things? You do realize that part of raising healthy kids when you are actually married is doing things together as an entire family, including with their mother right?

I was talking about 1 on 1. Of course things as a family is important

[Trumptonium]

Its dire. Generation Z (2000-2019) are going to be the most conservative since the great generation (1920-1939) so we need to make sure generation Alfa (2020-2039) is liberal. I don't want them thinking guns are cool.

I...I hope you do know that Gen Z are still a bunch of kids right? Their ideologies will change over time...well except mine, I'm still being conservative, and I'm still buying guns for home defense and hunting...Nevertheless, I'm not sure how you know that Gen Z is gonna be the most conservative, especially since all of them haven't even graduated high-school yet...

There's a clear unquestionable trend that Generation Z is the most conservative at age 16 than any previous generation polled. People born in 2000 were more conservative in 2016 than people born in 1950 in 1966. People started being more conservative in those born around 1997-1998 I think.

[Sovaal]

Sp, Keshi, have you not thought about just skipping the whole loveless marriage thing and just adopting a couple kids? God knows there are plenty out there.

[Keshiland]

Sp, Keshi, have you not thought about just skipping the whole loveless marriage thing and just adopting a couple kids? God knows there are plenty out there.

To expensive to adopt babies. I would do both adopt and biological.

[Petrolheadia]

Sp, Keshi, have you not thought about just skipping the whole loveless marriage thing and just adopting a couple kids? God knows there are plenty out there.

To expensive to adopt babies. I would do both adopt and biological.

B... b..but adopted could have been tainted with conservatism!

[The New California Republic]

I am going to try and explain my self the best I can with out sounding horrible.
1. I plan to make sure that I find a woman who has the same goal as me to be co-parents/get married to have kids and want to parent them in the same way.

2. I only plan to separate assets like the car so that I can easily get around to work or do things with my kids without both of us having to be home at the same time to do it.

3. The reason I want to keep my kids in liberal schools is because this election showed that the right is filled with 10s of millions of racist, sexist, homophobic/transphobic, islamiphobic, nationalistic, people who I don't want influencing them.

4. (because of 1) I will spend time with my wife/co-parent if she wants on occasion, but the vast majority of the time I will be with the kids, however if their is time and she really wants alone time I will give her that when the kids are asleep and if I don't need to get ready for work early in the morning.

5. The reason I am against abortion is clear, I see the fetus as equal to the baby, and when I see babies they are the essence of pure love, they have every emotion in its purist form. Am I going to not allow my car to be used to go to an abortion clinic yes, will I throw her out the house, no, especially if we already have kids, will I get heated and try to stop her of course, when its all said and done and she makes her choice, I might go weeks or even months with out talking to her but I am sure I would come back around.

6. The reason I am against guns is cause they are dangerous, I don't want them in the house cause I don't want someone getting hurt or killed on accident. Why am I against tobacco because its bad for the health of everyone, am I going to want my kids vaccinated of course.

Hopefully this makes more sence and sounds better lol. Im passionate about what I beleive so it probably comes off worse then I mean to.

None of this washes away what you have already said. Your views are abhorrent, absolutely abhorrent. Your views are authoritarian, misogynistic, and perhaps even a little bit fascist. You think you are liberal, but if you are liberal, then I am the Pope. Backpedaling now is far too little, far too late. I sincerely doubt that anyone that has heard your views over the past few weeks will change their opinion of you now, the damage has already been done, and is irreversible.

In fact, a lot of this is not even backpedaling, you are just pouring a ton of sugar on your abhorrent views through rewording, to make them seem more palatable to us. But once you get past the sugar, the real substance of your views still remains just as bitter as before.

You seem to think the wool can easily be pulled over our eyes, but here is a secret: it most certainly can not.

[Keshiland]

I am going to try and explain my self the best I can with out sounding horrible.
1. I plan to make sure that I find a woman who has the same goal as me to be co-parents/get married to have kids and want to parent them in the same way.

2. I only plan to separate assets like the car so that I can easily get around to work or do things with my kids without both of us having to be home at the same time to do it.

3. The reason I want to keep my kids in liberal schools is because this election showed that the right is filled with 10s of millions of racist, sexist, homophobic/transphobic, islamiphobic, nationalistic, people who I don't want influencing them.

4. (because of 1) I will spend time with my wife/co-parent if she wants on occasion, but the vast majority of the time I will be with the kids, however if their is time and she really wants alone time I will give her that when the kids are asleep and if I don't need to get ready for work early in the morning.

5. The reason I am against abortion is clear, I see the fetus as equal to the baby, and when I see babies they are the essence of pure love, they have every emotion in its purist form. Am I going to not allow my car to be used to go to an abortion clinic yes, will I throw her out the house, no, especially if we already have kids, will I get heated and try to stop her of course, when its all said and done and she makes her choice, I might go weeks or even months with out talking to her but I am sure I would come back around.

6. The reason I am against guns is cause they are dangerous, I don't want them in the house cause I don't want someone getting hurt or killed on accident. Why am I against tobacco because its bad for the health of everyone, am I going to want my kids vaccinated of course.

Hopefully this makes more sence and sounds better lol. Im passionate about what I beleive so it probably comes off worse then I mean to.

None of this washes away what you have already said. Your views are abhorrent, absolutely abhorrent. Your views are authoritarian, misogynistic, and perhaps even a little bit fascist. You think you are liberal, but if you are liberal, then I am the Pope. Backpedaling now is far too little, far too late. I sincerely doubt that anyone that has heard your views over the past few weeks will change their opinion of you now, the damage has already been done, and is irreversible.

In fact, a lot of this is not even backpedaling, you are just pouring a ton of sugar on your abhorrent views through rewording, to make them seem more palatable to us. But once you get past the sugar, the real substance of your views still remains just as bitter as before.

You seem to think the wool can easily be pulled over our eyes, but here is a secret: it most certainly can not.

You only think that is horrible because you think marriage should only be about love despite the poll saying otherwise. You asked for an explination of why I have those views and I gave it to you. Not everyone wants to have a romantic relationship you know.

[Sovaal]

None of this washes away what you have already said. Your views are abhorrent, absolutely abhorrent. Your views are authoritarian, misogynistic, and perhaps even a little bit fascist. You think you are liberal, but if you are liberal, then I am the Pope. Backpedaling now is far too little, far too late. I sincerely doubt that anyone that has heard your views over the past few weeks will change their opinion of you now, the damage has already been done, and is irreversible.

In fact, a lot of this is not even backpedaling, you are just pouring a ton of sugar on your abhorrent views through rewording, to make them seem more palatable to us. But once you get past the sugar, the real substance of your views still remains just as bitter as before.

You seem to think the wool can easily be pulled over our eyes, but here is a secret: it most certainly can not.

You only think that is horrible because you think marriage should only be about love despite the poll saying otherwise. You asked for an explination of why I have those views and I gave it to you. Not everyone wants to have a romantic relationship you know.

Didn't know that polls dictate what a person's opinions are now. Anyway, marriage, especially with children involved, is far different from, say a business meeting. Loveless marriages are rarely good for kids and rarely do they last long.

[The New California Republic]

None of this washes away what you have already said. Your views are abhorrent, absolutely abhorrent. Your views are authoritarian, misogynistic, and perhaps even a little bit fascist. You think you are liberal, but if you are liberal, then I am the Pope. Backpedaling now is far too little, far too late. I sincerely doubt that anyone that has heard your views over the past few weeks will change their opinion of you now, the damage has already been done, and is irreversible.

In fact, a lot of this is not even backpedaling, you are just pouring a ton of sugar on your abhorrent views through rewording, to make them seem more palatable to us. But once you get past the sugar, the real substance of your views still remains just as bitter as before.

You seem to think the wool can easily be pulled over our eyes, but here is a secret: it most certainly can not.

You only think that is horrible because you think marriage should only be about love despite the poll saying otherwise.

And just where on earth did I say this little gem? I challenge you to find a quotation where I said that marriage should only be about love. I will save you some time: it doesn't exist. Stop putting words into my mouth, I find your views horrible because I think abusive relationships - and a warped family life that can harm the children - are horrible.

You asked for an explination of why I have those views and I gave it to you. Not everyone wants to have a romantic relationship you know.

Yup, because abhorrent views, with an explanation attached to them, makes them not abhorrent any more(!)

[Keshiland]

You only think that is horrible because you think marriage should only be about love despite the poll saying otherwise.

And just where on earth did I say this little gem? I challenge you to find a quotation where I said that marriage should only be about love. I will save you some time: it doesn't exist. Stop putting words into my mouth, I find your views horrible because I think abusive relationships - and a warped family life that can harm the children - are horrible.

You asked for an explination of why I have those views and I gave it to you. Not everyone wants to have a romantic relationship you know.

Yup, because abhorrent views, with an explanation attached to them, makes them not abhorrent any more(!)

You have exagerated the meaning of abuse to mean both people not loving each other equally. Its not abusive for me to love my kids and my family or even my job more then my wife. Its simply not. As long as I don't hit her, am not making her feel worthless and screaming at her over EVERYTHING (not just a few key issues like if she tries to bring a gun in the house) then its not abusive. I don't need to love her with all my heart. Yeah it might be a bit hurtful at 1st to relies your not the most loved by someone but if im upfrunt with her that im a DAD 1st a PRODUCER 2nd a BROTHER AND SON 3rd and a HUSBAND 4th then it can not be in any way anti woman since she would be fine with it.

[Ethel mermania]

TFW when people read your rhetoricals seriously.

Also, you'd restrict your children from seeing their nearest ancestors for political reasons? Stalin's getting disgusted in his grave.

EDIT: Your edit's crossed the border between disgusting and comedic sociopathy.

I don't want my kids hearing any right-wing opinions on issues, so I will do what any parent would do watch them whenever they are with someone who is to the right of me. My parents are on the left so I would not worry about my kids being with them, but if they have any right wing view other then pro life, I need to protect my kids. If I have the money I will send them to a liberal private or charter school, who will assure they don't end up being conservative which is the trend for the younger generations :/

Kids rebel, raise them the way you plan too, and you very well may get a right winger just to spite you.

[Crylante]

If I find someone I want to settle down with, then I would probably get married, yes.

I mean, same-sex marriage is legal and now relatively uncontroversial where I live, so I can.

[The New California Republic]

I find your views horrible because I think abusive relationships - and a warped family life that can harm the children - are horrible.

You have exagerated the meaning of abuse to mean both people not loving each other equally.

Keshiland, do we need to go over this again? We have already discussed how your definition of abuse is wrong.

You seem to think that restricting freedom of movement is not abuse. Wrong.

You seem to think that shouting at your spouse is not abuse. Wrong.

You seem to think that arbitrarily and unilaterally denying visitation by the grandparents because they disagree with you is not abuse. Wrong.

You seem to think that belittling your wife in front of friends and family by saying she is planning on having an abortion is not abuse. Wrong.

You seem to think that treating your wife as a baby making and rearing machine is not abuse. Wrong.

You seem to think that you being the only one that makes up the household rules, and giving your wife no say in the matter is not abuse. Wrong.

There is a long train of things that you think is not abuse, but actually is. It would be an abusive marriage, no matter which angle you look at it from. So no, I have not "exaggerated the meaning of abuse", it is in fact you that has grossly understated the meaning of abuse.

[Galloism]

You seem to think that with-holding property is not abuse. Wrong.

Ok, I'll bite. How is withholding property abuse?

You seem to think that arbitrarily divorcing your wife when the kids reach 18, for no reason other than "you are bored" is not abuse. Wrong.

How is divorcing abuse?


I mean, it's kind of being shitty, but I'm not sure "refusing to take positive action" is abuse.

[Segral]

New California, just because someone acts like a dick doesn't mean they're abusing someone. To abuse is to treat someone with cruelty and violence regularly. Keshiland's not abusive, just shitty.

[The New California Republic]

You seem to think that with-holding property is not abuse. Wrong.

Ok, I'll bite. How is withholding property abuse?

It is abuse when he withholds property to pressure his wife to not get an abortion. See the abortion thread for the details.

How is divorcing abuse?


I mean, it's kind of being shitty, but I'm not sure "refusing to take positive action" is abuse.

The divorce is pre-planned by Keshiland, the way in which Keshiland does it when the kids reach 18, and arbitrarily split the household up for selfish reasons could be seen as abusive. It isn't just a run-of-the-mill divorce in this case, there is something highly unusual and irregular going on here. I don't know how to precisely define it, abuse is the closest thing I think that it amounts to.

[The New California Republic]

New California, just because someone acts like a dick doesn't mean they're abusing someone. To abuse is to treat someone with cruelty and violence regularly. Keshiland's not abusive, just shitty.

Go to the abortion thread, to see what I am referring to. You don't get the full story on this thread.

[Codora]

I will not date anyone until marriage.