What is your thought on marriage?

[Farnhamia]

As that eminent 20th century philosopher, Julius H. Marx, opined, "They say marriage is a wonderful institution but who wants to live in an institution?"

[Petrolheadia]

Keshiland, I can tell you right now, unequivocally, that you are not liberal. A liberal would not have the kind of authoritarian and misogynistic views that you hold. That being said, I cannot say precisely what your belief system would be classified as, it is just a random collection of extremely disturbing and contradictory views.

I am a liberal, I am just one who has no room in my life for the conservative right because they have ruined the federal judiciary for voting for Trump and I will likely not see progress till I'm in my 60s thanks to them. It's not misogynistic, who says marriage has to be about love? Why can't 2 people just get married to have kids and both be happy with that? I will teach my kids that people of all races, sexes, genders, orientations, nationalities, and religions are all equal and good people. I will let them dp what ever they wish that does not harm them or someone else or break the law. Will I protect them from right-wing propaganda of course, will I keep them out of right wing schools of course, will I stop them from watching faux, or Breitbart, yes. But I will not stop them from looking at conventional right wing outlets.

I am anti gun, pro envorment, pro immagration, pro refugees being let in, pro UHC, pro free college, pro universal healthcare, pro childcare, pro vaccinations, pro 3 meals a day in schools the only non "liberal view" is that I am pro life.

Am I too sleep-deprived now, or are you starting to sound like a thinking person?

[Keshiland]

Its dire. Generation Z (2000-2019) are going to be the most conservative since the great generation (1920-1939) so we need to make sure generation Alfa (2020-2039) is liberal. I don't want them thinking guns are cool.

I...I hope you do know that Gen Z are still a bunch of kids right? Their ideologies will change over time...well except mine, I'm still being conservative, and I'm still buying guns for home defense and hunting...Nevertheless, I'm not sure how you know that Gen Z is gonna be the most conservative, especially since all of them haven't even graduated high-school yet...

I know that. Well thats what I have heard from the media and I can definitely see a more pessimistic view of the world coming from them then from us example (I beleive that I will get my dream job, have my own house even if rented, have a car and have a tone of kids, my little brother gen z does not think he will get any where in life and that he will succeed in what he wants.)

Its sad it really is, but I have hope that maybe they will change. Exept those freshmen in my US history class 2 years ago who were pro trump -_-

[The New California Republic]

Keshiland, I can tell you right now, unequivocally, that you are not liberal. A liberal would not have the kind of authoritarian and misogynistic views that you hold. That being said, I cannot say precisely what your belief system would be classified as, it is just a random collection of extremely disturbing and contradictory views.

the only non "liberal view" is that I am pro life.

Nope, you missed a bunch. You think abusing women by with-holding property and restricting free movement to prevent them having an abortion is OK (see the abortion thread for the entire saga), you are a misogynist, and you are authoritarian. Any one of those things would be incompatible with being liberal. The fact that you display all three of those things shows that you are far removed from being liberal.

[Petrolheadia]

I...I hope you do know that Gen Z are still a bunch of kids right? Their ideologies will change over time...well except mine, I'm still being conservative, and I'm still buying guns for home defense and hunting...Nevertheless, I'm not sure how you know that Gen Z is gonna be the most conservative, especially since all of them haven't even graduated high-school yet...

I know that. Well thats what I have heard from the media and I can definitely see a more pessimistic view of the world coming from them then from us example (I beleive that I will get my dream job, have my own house even if rented, have a car and have a tone of kids, my little brother gen z does not think he will get any where in life and that he will succeed in what he wants.)

Its sad it really is, but I have hope that maybe they will change. Exept those freshmen in my US history class 2 years ago who were pro trump -_-

Did you know that the guy who thinks he'll fail ultimately succeeds?

I know. I am that guy.

[The New California Republic]

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tfw an alleged liberal has familial domination fantasies that would make Charles Manson go daaaaaaaaamn

This says it beautifully.

[Dylar]

Keshiland, I can tell you right now, unequivocally, that you are not liberal. A liberal would not have the kind of authoritarian and misogynistic views that you hold. That being said, I cannot say precisely what your belief system would be classified as, it is just a random collection of extremely disturbing and contradictory views.

I am a liberal, I am just one who has no room in my life for the conservative right because they have ruined the federal judiciary for voting for Trump and I will likely not see progress till I'm in my 60s thanks to them. It's not misogynistic, who says marriage has to be about love? Why can't 2 people just get married to have kids and both be happy with that? I will teach my kids that people of all races, sexes, genders, orientations, nationalities, and religions are all equal and good people. I will let them dp what ever they wish that does not harm them or someone else or break the law. Will I protect them from right-wing propaganda of course, will I keep them out of right wing schools of course, will I stop them from watching faux, or Breitbart, yes. But I will not stop them from looking at conventional right wing outlets.

I am anti gun, pro envorment, pro immagration, pro refugees being let in, pro UHC, pro free college, pro universal healthcare, pro childcare, pro vaccinations, pro 3 meals a day in schools the only non "liberal view" is that I am pro life.

Hang on...you're gonna stop your kids from looking at right-wing outlets like Fox, and Breitbart, but you're also gonna let them look at right-wing outlets...please explain...

[Keshiland]

the only non "liberal view" is that I am pro life.

Nope, you missed a bunch. You think abusing women by with-holding property and restricting free movement to prevent them having an abortion is OK (see the abortion thread for the entire saga), you are a misogynist, and you are authoritarian. Any one of those things would be incompatible with being liberal. The fact that you display all three of those things shows that you are far removed from being liberal.

I am a liberal who is willing to play dirty to achieve my goals, that does not make me not a liberal. Absolutely no one who knows me would say I am masoginistic or authoritarian and yes some of them know of how I would use legal leverage to prevent abortions.

[Eisen Wolf Reich]

Its dire. Generation Z (2000-2019) are going to be the most conservative since the great generation (1920-1939) so we need to make sure generation Alfa (2020-2039) is liberal. I don't want them thinking guns are cool.

I...I hope you do know that Gen Z are still a bunch of kids right? Their ideologies will change over time...well except mine, I'm still being conservative, and I'm still buying guns for home defense and hunting...Nevertheless, I'm not sure how you know that Gen Z is gonna be the most conservative, especially since all of them haven't even graduated high-school yet...

This is true, I haven't graduated high school yet. Though I am a centrist, not conservative, as are most of my friends. And I live in the armpit of the south.

[Attempted Socialism]

Also, I would just like to say that even though I am totally straight, me and my best friend have a arrangement that after college we will get married for the tax breaks. And when one of us finds a woman we wish to marry we will simply divorce.

Anyone else think this is a good idea?

Think it through: This may have both social and legal effects. Are you ready to be each others legal guardians/next of kin if an accident happens? Are you sure that you'll stay best friends for 5+ years - and that any issues arising (Including divorce) can be handled without a lawyer that eats into those tax breaks? Are there any legal obligations that can be levied against you, on behalf of your spouse, such as shared debt or other liability?
A gay marriage may also be hard to explain to future girlfriends, their family, future friends and your own families - even if they're not against gay rights, it can have social ramifications.

I get the economic incentive: When I shared a flat with a good friend, we considered "becoming" a 'paperless couple' (Which is a legal term where I live) because that would make us 1 household in terms of a lot of expenses, rather than the 2 households we were, effectively halving a number of monthly costs for us. We ultimately decided against, mostly for legal reasons. So before you do, take a good look at what you're entering into, what risks there may be, what benefits it will have, what likely costs you can accrue getting out, and give a good thought to how your current and future social circles may react to it.

[The Holy Therns]

Nope, you missed a bunch. You think abusing women by with-holding property and restricting free movement to prevent them having an abortion is OK (see the abortion thread for the entire saga), you are a misogynist, and you are authoritarian. Any one of those things would be incompatible with being liberal. The fact that you display all three of those things shows that you are far removed from being liberal.

I am a liberal who is willing to play dirty to achieve my goals, that does not make me not a liberal. Absolutely no one who knows me would say I am masoginistic or authoritarian and yes some of them know of how I would use legal leverage to prevent abortions.

Then the people who know you are not especially intelligent people.

[Keshiland]

I am a liberal, I am just one who has no room in my life for the conservative right because they have ruined the federal judiciary for voting for Trump and I will likely not see progress till I'm in my 60s thanks to them. It's not misogynistic, who says marriage has to be about love? Why can't 2 people just get married to have kids and both be happy with that? I will teach my kids that people of all races, sexes, genders, orientations, nationalities, and religions are all equal and good people. I will let them dp what ever they wish that does not harm them or someone else or break the law. Will I protect them from right-wing propaganda of course, will I keep them out of right wing schools of course, will I stop them from watching faux, or Breitbart, yes. But I will not stop them from looking at conventional right wing outlets.

I am anti gun, pro envorment, pro immagration, pro refugees being let in, pro UHC, pro free college, pro universal healthcare, pro childcare, pro vaccinations, pro 3 meals a day in schools the only non "liberal view" is that I am pro life.

Hang on...you're gonna stop your kids from looking at right-wing outlets like Fox, and Breitbart, but you're also gonna let them look at right-wing outlets...please explain...

yes as ling as they are not hate filled propaganda i will let them look at it.

[The New California Republic]

I am anti gun, pro envorment, pro immagration, pro refugees being let in, pro UHC, pro free college, pro universal healthcare, pro childcare, pro vaccinations, pro 3 meals a day in schools the only non "liberal view" is that I am pro life.

Hang on...you're gonna stop your kids from looking at right-wing outlets like Fox, and Breitbart, but you're also gonna let them look at right-wing outlets...please explain...

It is just another Keshiland Contradiction™

[Eisen Wolf Reich]

Well, there are lots of legal benefits to being married.

Yes, but that doesn't mean you enter a pointless marriage that's doomed to fail...

Sure it does, marriage doesn't have to be about love lol. Also, divorce is a thing.

[Petrolheadia]

Hang on...you're gonna stop your kids from looking at right-wing outlets like Fox, and Breitbart, but you're also gonna let them look at right-wing outlets...please explain...

yes as ling as they are not hate filled propaganda i will let them look at it.

Where is Fox hateful?

It may be wrong, but not hateful.

[Eisen Wolf Reich]

Also, I would just like to say that even though I am totally straight, me and my best friend have a arrangement that after college we will get married for the tax breaks. And when one of us finds a woman we wish to marry we will simply divorce.

Anyone else think this is a good idea?

Are you sure that you are totally straight, and the tax breaks are not just an excuse to be in a relationship with another man? The mind works in mysterious ways, it can nudge us towards doing something we desire, but cannot deal with emotionally, by creating stratagems to achieve satisfaction of the desire in an indirect way.

I am perfectly straight. Although the marriage isnt just for the tax breaks, its also for like health benefits and stuff from health insurance.

[Petrolheadia]

Nope, you missed a bunch. You think abusing women by with-holding property and restricting free movement to prevent them having an abortion is OK (see the abortion thread for the entire saga), you are a misogynist, and you are authoritarian. Any one of those things would be incompatible with being liberal. The fact that you display all three of those things shows that you are far removed from being liberal.

I am a liberal who is willing to play dirty to achieve my goals, that does not make me not a liberal. Absolutely no one who knows me would say I am masoginistic or authoritarian and yes some of them know of how I would use legal leverage to prevent abortions.

Liberalism - any political movement founded on the autonomy and personal freedom of the individual, progress and reform, and government by law with the consent of the governed.

Emphasis mine. No comment.

[Twilight Imperium]

It is just another Keshiland Contradiction™

See also:

Absolutely no one who knows me would say I am masoginistic or authoritarian and yes some of them know of how I would use legal leverage to prevent abortions.

[Keshiland]

Hang on...you're gonna stop your kids from looking at right-wing outlets like Fox, and Breitbart, but you're also gonna let them look at right-wing outlets...please explain...

It is just another Keshiland Contradiction™

There are more then just those 2 conservative sites you know.

[Petrolheadia]

It is just another Keshiland Contradiction™

See also:

Absolutely no one who knows me would say I am masoginistic or authoritarian and yes some of them know of how I would use legal leverage to prevent abortions.

Or he may live with people who are even crazier.

Hell,,it may be a family tradition. Erm... can somebody find Keshiland's address and call the cops?

[Dylar]

Hang on...you're gonna stop your kids from looking at right-wing outlets like Fox, and Breitbart, but you're also gonna let them look at right-wing outlets...please explain...

yes as ling as they are not hate filled propaganda i will let them look at it.

Uh-huh...what if I told you that every, and I mean every, news organization out there has some hate in their stories, or some very, very minuscule amount of propaganda within them?

[Eisen Wolf Reich]

Also, I would just like to say that even though I am totally straight, me and my best friend have a arrangement that after college we will get married for the tax breaks. And when one of us finds a woman we wish to marry we will simply divorce.

Anyone else think this is a good idea?

Think it through: This may have both social and legal effects. Are you ready to be each others legal guardians/next of kin if an accident happens? Are you sure that you'll stay best friends for 5+ years - and that any issues arising (Including divorce) can be handled without a lawyer that eats into those tax breaks? Are there any legal obligations that can be levied against you, on behalf of your spouse, such as shared debt or other liability?
A gay marriage may also be hard to explain to future girlfriends, their family, future friends and your own families - even if they're not against gay rights, it can have social ramifications.

I get the economic incentive: When I shared a flat with a good friend, we considered "becoming" a 'paperless couple' (Which is a legal term where I live) because that would make us 1 household in terms of a lot of expenses, rather than the 2 households we were, effectively halving a number of monthly costs for us. We ultimately decided against, mostly for legal reasons. So before you do, take a good look at what you're entering into, what risks there may be, what benefits it will have, what likely costs you can accrue getting out, and give a good thought to how your current and future social circles may react to it.

1. Am I ready to back his next of kin/guardian. Yes, We've literally known each other sense we were infants as our families are close friends, we are practically brothers.

2. Refer to one

3. WE will sign a prenup to make sure that there is a clean 50/50 division of assets, again the only thing we will share is maybe a flat. Also, We both have no legal liabilities or debts. And even if we weren't married I would help him pay.

[Attempted Socialism]

1. Am I ready to back his next of kin/guardian. Yes, We've literally known each other sense we were infants as our families are close friends, we are practically brothers.

2. Refer to one

3. WE will sign a prenup to make sure that there is a clean 50/50 division of assets, again the only thing we will share is maybe a flat. Also, We both have no legal liabilities or debts. And even if we weren't married I would help him pay.

Give some thought to social ramifications as well.
I mean, personally I find marriage largely insignificant apart from legal/economic issues (Emotional/romantic and familial investment being independet from the legal institution of marriage in my mind), but a lot of people place a lot of value on it. If you're going to risk offending people in your social circles, do it with open eyes. It may be that your circles would shrug, in which case it's not an issue, but it would be stupid to do something like this for economic reasons if, say, one of you risks getting disowned by a less open-minded family for a net economic loss.
And, because I failed to say it before, I don't see any inherent issue. As I hope was obvious, I see some practical issues that I'd recommend working out, and I acknowledge that I'm coloured from my own experience that potential legal obligations were much more than we'd risk, which is why I'd be wary of it, but if you've laid those out and it seems to you that legal and economic benefits outweighs potential costs, and risks of social fallout are acceptable, do it. Just do it wise, aware, honest and with open eyes.

[Keshiland]

I am going to try and explain my self the best I can with out sounding horrible.
1. I plan to make sure that I find a woman who has the same goal as me to be co-parents/get married to have kids and want to parent them in the same way.

2. I only plan to separate assets like the car so that I can easily get around to work or do things with my kids without both of us having to be home at the same time to do it.

3. The reason I want to keep my kids in liberal schools is because this election showed that the right is filled with 10s of millions of racist, sexist, homophobic/transphobic, islamiphobic, nationalistic, people who I don't want influencing them.

4. (because of 1) I will spend time with my wife/co-parent if she wants on occasion, but the vast majority of the time I will be with the kids, however if their is time and she really wants alone time I will give her that when the kids are asleep and if I don't need to get ready for work early in the morning.

5. The reason I am against abortion is clear, I see the fetus as equal to the baby, and when I see babies they are the essence of pure love, they have every emotion in its purist form. Am I going to not allow my car to be used to go to an abortion clinic yes, will I throw her out the house, no, especially if we already have kids, will I get heated and try to stop her of course, when its all said and done and she makes her choice, I might go weeks or even months with out talking to her but I am sure I would come back around.

6. The reason I am against guns is cause they are dangerous, I don't want them in the house cause I don't want someone getting hurt or killed on accident. Why am I against tobacco because its bad for the health of everyone, am I going to want my kids vaccinated of course.

Hopefully this makes more sence and sounds better lol. Im passionate about what I beleive so it probably comes off worse then I mean to.

[Twilight Imperium]

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If this is all you meant by your various Dada-esque ramblings over the last year, you may want to look into remedial communications classes.