What is your thought on marriage?

[FelrikTheDeleted]

Or maybe they're being more promiscuous within marriage because their partners aren't putting out?

You do know one of the most common reasons people cheat is because they're not getting the emotional or sexual support from the partner that's supposed to be providing said support, right?

It seems to me that you've implied that cheating is acceptable in those circumstances, at least in the way I've read it. I doubt you meant that, so could you please clarify that.

[Katganistan]

Asexuality isn't weird. It may not be what you're used to, but there's nothing wrong with just not being interested in other people sexually.

I never said asexuality was weird. I said the fact that they constantly had to claim that sexuality was irrational and that anyone who loves reason should lower it's impact (Their words, not mine) is a weird/distorted view of sex.

*sigh* Being ace doesn't excuse having distorted views on sex, neither does being straight, gay, bi, pan, etc... for that matter. I know and know of plenty of asexuals who understand that sex is normal and natural within for humans, it's just that they're not into it and would rather not partake in it as they don't find it appealing (And that's perfectly fine, natural even), but they don't try to make it seem like heinous act that needs to be gotten rid of in order to better human society. Do you see what I'm getting at?

Yeah, I do. I don't think it was clear in the original post, though.

[United Muscovite Nations]

Don't accuse me of a double standard that I don't have. Not "having needs met" isn't an excuse for divorce, it's selfishness and excuses adultery.

Actually, both Judaism and Christianity believe that a partner not satisfying their partner's sexual needs is a perfectly valid reason for divorce.

Christianity only believes that adultery is a valid reason.

[New haven america]

I never said asexuality was weird. I said the fact that they constantly had to claim that sexuality was irrational and that anyone who loves reason should lower it's impact (Their words, not mine) is a weird/distorted view of sex.

*sigh* Being ace doesn't excuse having distorted views on sex, neither does being straight, gay, bi, pan, etc... for that matter. I know and know of plenty of asexuals who understand that sex is normal and natural within for humans, it's just that they're not into it and would rather not partake in it as they don't find it appealing (And that's perfectly fine, natural even), but they don't try to make it seem like heinous act that needs to be gotten rid of in order to better human society. Do you see what I'm getting at?

Yeah, I do. I don't think it was clear in the original post, though.

Oh, I thought that was kinda implied, considering they shared a lot of their views on sex in the page it was posted. Sorry~

[Katganistan]

Perhaps because if their husband is not fulfilling needs they previously had fulfilled because he is not actually very good at sex/supporting them emotionally, they know the difference rather than thinking they're the problem?

There's also the double standard that a man can have as many partners as he wants and that makes him a player or a stud, but if a woman does, she's a slut.

Don't accuse me of a double standard that I don't have. Not "having needs met" isn't an excuse for divorce, it's selfishness and excuses adultery.

Whoa, Jesus, get down off that cross. Where did I accuse you of anything?

There IS a double standard in society that men's promiscuity is A-Ok, and that women's is immoral.

And if you don't think that both partners needs have to be met, it's not this hypothetical woman who's being selfish in that hypothetical relationship.

[New haven america]

Or maybe they're being more promiscuous within marriage because their partners aren't putting out?

You do know one of the most common reasons people cheat is because they're not getting the emotional or sexual support from the partner that's supposed to be providing said support, right?

It seems to me that you've implied that cheating is acceptable in those circumstances, at least in the way I've read it. I doubt you meant that, so could you please clarify that.

I don't approve of cheating nor do I think it's good.

However, if you're having emotional/sexual problems with your partner, and nothing seems to be working out (As you should always try to work things out in a relationship), and you have trouble splitting up or getting a divorce (For whatever reason), then cheating isn't really as black and white as people make it out to be.

[Katganistan]

Perhaps because if their husband is not fulfilling needs they previously had fulfilled because he is not actually very good at sex/supporting them emotionally, they know the difference rather than thinking they're the problem?

There's also the double standard that a man can have as many partners as he wants and that makes him a player or a stud, but if a woman does, she's a slut.

Classic example of women never do or are wrong.

And people wonder why we claim it's irrational to want to be in a relationship with them.

Classic example of men can never be a part of the problem, women are just no good. It's a blessing some of you don't want to be in relationships.

[New haven america]

Actually, both Judaism and Christianity believe that a partner not satisfying their partner's sexual needs is a perfectly valid reason for divorce.

Christianity only believes that adultery is a valid reason.

Hehehehe...

[FelrikTheDeleted]

I don't approve of cheating nor do I think it's good.

However, if you're having emotional/sexual problems with your partner, and nothing seems to be working out, and you have trouble splitting up or getting a divorce (For whatever reason), then cheating isn't really as black and white as people make it out to be.

Cheers for the clarification.

[Costa Fierro]

No, it's rather easy

A lot of people don't actually know what MGTOW is, let alone understand it. Given your argument relied on disjointed claims, I don't it's "quite easy" seeing as I haven't actually seen anything beyond disjointed claims.

You bet I am! Do you wanna know why? Because we don't live in those times, we live in the safest and wealthiest time period in human history

Your criticism of MGTOW relied on referencing people doing exactly what MGTOW advocates throughout history, despite it not being the case? And now you're saying that it doesn't matter because we don't live in those times?

Is there actually an argument or a bunch of disjointed claims?

I also am doing that. Mainly because there are several societies that didn't actually mind if people got together or not. Also, Peter Pan Syndrome isn't real, but even then you don't understand it's definition, it's for people who are considered "societally immature" (Which is one of the major reasons it doesn't exist, as being societally mature varies wildly across cultures.

"Several societies" being a vague an arbitrary term. Unless you can show us which societies these are, I'm not even going to even give this any more attention.

Ah yes, the Red Pill, another thing that doesn't actually exist.

It's an idea.

Do you have actual critiques of MGTOW?

[Aillyria]

It seems to me that you've implied that cheating is acceptable in those circumstances, at least in the way I've read it. I doubt you meant that, so could you please clarify that.

I don't approve of cheating nor do I think it's good.

However, if you're having emotional/sexual problems with your partner, and nothing seems to be working out (As you should always try to work things out in a relationship), and you have trouble splitting up or getting a divorce (For whatever reason), then cheating isn't really as black and white as people make it out to be.

Cheating is always black and white, it's always wrong, and the partner doing it is a horrible person. There's no gray zone to being a flithy cheating dog.

[United Muscovite Nations]

Christianity only believes that adultery is a valid reason.

Hehehehe...

3 Some Pharisees came to him to test him. They asked, “Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife for any and every reason?”

4 “Haven’t you read,” he replied, “that at the beginning the Creator ‘made them male and female,’[a] 5 and said, ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh’[b]? 6 So they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate.”

7 “Why then,” they asked, “did Moses command that a man give his wife a certificate of divorce and send her away?”

8 Jesus replied, “Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because your hearts were hard. But it was not this way from the beginning. 9 I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery.”

[Neanderthaland]

Actually, both Judaism and Christianity believe that a partner not satisfying their partner's sexual needs is a perfectly valid reason for divorce.

Christianity only believes that adultery is a valid reason.

That's not what the Anglicans say.

[FelrikTheDeleted]

Christianity only believes that adultery is a valid reason.

I'm fairly certain that isn't the case in the Catholic Church — I suppose you could be referring to Orthodox and Protestants though.

[New haven america]

I don't approve of cheating nor do I think it's good.

However, if you're having emotional/sexual problems with your partner, and nothing seems to be working out (As you should always try to work things out in a relationship), and you have trouble splitting up or getting a divorce (For whatever reason), then cheating isn't really as black and white as people make it out to be.

Cheating is always black and white, it's always wrong, and the partner doing it is a horrible person. There's no gray zone to being a flithy cheating dog.

Keep telling yourself that.

[Ethel mermania]

I don't approve of cheating nor do I think it's good.

However, if you're having emotional/sexual problems with your partner, and nothing seems to be working out (As you should always try to work things out in a relationship), and you have trouble splitting up or getting a divorce (For whatever reason), then cheating isn't really as black and white as people make it out to be.

Cheating is always black and white, it's always wrong, and the partner doing it is a horrible person. There's no gray zone to being a flithy cheating dog.

That's not true. Relationships ate never black and white. What if one spouse withheld sex for a year?

[Donut section]

Classic example of women never do or are wrong.

And people wonder why we claim it's irrational to want to be in a relationship with them.

Classic example of men can never be a part of the problem, women are just no good. It's a blessing some of you don't want to be in relationships.

Classic example of men have to be part of the problem or it's a problem that will be ignored. And Even when they are part of the problem the issues need to be considered primarily theirs.

Now if only there wasn't such a social stigma about men not wanting to be in relationships we could all, well everyone except men in relationships with women, be happy.

[United Muscovite Nations]

Christianity only believes that adultery is a valid reason.

That's not what the Anglicans say.

The Anglican Communion isn't to be taken seriously as a traditional Christian group.

[Aillyria]

Christianity only believes that adultery is a valid reason.

I'm fairly certain that isn't the case in the Catholic Church — I suppose you could be referring to Orthodox and Protestants.

Islam is similar to Catholicism on divorce, actually. For us either partner can petition for divorce, of course a reconciliation is attempted by arbitration, but if it can't be settled divorce is allowed.

[FelrikTheDeleted]

Keep telling yourself that.

Happily, a wrong is not made right merely because you can't find satisfaction — especially when they vow to be faithful, which, as far as I am aware, is extremely common.

[Neanderthaland]

That's not what the Anglicans say.

The Anglican Communion isn't to be taken seriously as a traditional Christian group.

I hear they're not true Scotsmen either.

[Katganistan]

Actually, both Judaism and Christianity believe that a partner not satisfying their partner's sexual needs is a perfectly valid reason for divorce.

Christianity only believes that adultery is a valid reason.

1 Corinthians 7:3-5

3 The husband should fulfill his marital duty to his wife, and likewise the wife to her husband. 4 The wife does not have authority over her own body but yields it to her husband. In the same way, the husband does not have authority over his own body but yields it to his wife. 5 Do not deprive each other except perhaps by mutual consent and for a time, so that you may devote yourselves to prayer. Then come together again so that Satan will not tempt you because of your lack of self-control.

Seems pretty clear that both have a responsibility to fulfill the other's needs.

[Aillyria]

Cheating is always black and white, it's always wrong, and the partner doing it is a horrible person. There's no gray zone to being a flithy cheating dog.

That's not true. Relationships ate never black and white. What if one spouse withheld sex for a year?

That still isn't an excuse for cheating. There are no acceptable excuse for adultery, get a divorce if it's such an issue.

[New haven america]

Actually, both Judaism and Christianity believe that a partner not satisfying their partner's sexual needs is a perfectly valid reason for divorce.

Christianity only believes that adultery is a valid reason.

*cough*1 Corinthians*cough*

[Neanderthaland]

That's not true. Relationships ate never black and white. What if one spouse withheld sex for a year?

That still isn't an excuse for cheating. There are no acceptable excuse for adultery, get a divorce if it's such an issue.

Muscovites just told us that we can't get a divorce unless someone commits adultery.