What is your thought on marriage?

[Ethel mermania]

You don't read the newspapers much, do you?

It's an Orthodox thing. You're supposed to think of yourself as the worst of all sinners so that you won't judge others harshly for their sin, which you want to avoid because God will judge us in accordance with how we judge others.

Sorry to hear that, but thanks for the explanation. I did not know that.

[Costa Fierro]

Also, can't we just critique MGTOW for a second?

I don't see why not, but it'd be difficult to do so.

Like seriously, they're doing what millions of people throughout history, both males and females, have done: choosing to not get into relationships in order to pursue work, school, personal hobbies, etc..., except they choose to believe that they're special and being free thinkers, by forming a crowd, and a lot of the time, adding an unneeded sexist spin on it.

You're ignoring centuries of gender roles where men worked and women looked after domestic affairs and societies where hobbies could only be afforded by the rich and royalty, who were the people that didn't need to work for a living and therefore could have the time and money to pursue hobbies. Only towards the end of the 19th century did more and more people, the middle classes, acquire enough wealth and free time to also pursue hobbies.

You're also ignoring centuries of social pressure where marriage and relationships was considered an essential aspect of becoming an adult, something which hasn't completely disappeared. Granted society at large no longer believes cohabiting to be "living in sin", but there's still pressure on men and women to find a partner, settle down and raise a family. Those that do not, and do not have any other reasons to do so like focusing on a career like many do today, are often considered to be "immature" or "manchildren". There's even a term for men specifically who refuse outright to settle down, marry and have kids: Peter Pan Syndrome.

Given we live within a society that still fully believes in the whole "men are providers" thing, saying that you refuse to participate in that is going to rock the boat.

Like, seriously, if they just said "I'm not dating cause I want to peruse a career/school/hobby", and I'm pretty sure 99% of people wouldn't care. Yet for some reason, they need to add this twist to it that just makes them seem kinda silly...

It seems kinda silly to people who have not yet swallowed the Red Pill and understood why we believe what we believe.

You want to know what helps people stop being aroused? Having the smex.

Masturbation does the trick.

[United Muscovite Nations]

Masturbation does the trick.

No, it just causes addiction to the feeling.

[Aillyria]

If it makes you feel any better I'm a monarchist myself.

You can strongly disagree with people on some things but agree strongly on others.

Tbf, I don't think you can really be a monarchist without also being a reactionary.

You can definitely not be reactionary and be monarchist, if you're pro-constitutional monarchy.

On another note, though I agree with you alot of social policy it would seem. I'm not and cannot be a proper reactionary (nor do I consider myself one) since I'm a socialist.

[United Muscovite Nations]

Tbf, I don't think you can really be a monarchist without also being a reactionary.

You can definitely not be reactionary and be monarchist, if you're pro-constitutional monarchy.

On another note, though I agree with you alot of social policy it would seem. I'm not and cannot be a proper reactionary (nor do I consider myself one) since I'm a socialist.

That's a shame. I tend to agree a lot with socialist economics, but I disagree very strongly with the foundations of socialist thought, and thus tend to reject it altogether.

[Costa Fierro]

Masturbation does the trick.

No, it just causes addiction to the feeling.

No it doesn't.

[Major-Tom]

Doesn't compare.

I mean, c'mon man. For example, Voltaire was an extremely intelligent man and workhorse who was very fond of "reason." He was also an admitted boozer and womanizer.

This is an interesting fact. The best scientists and philosophers are usually celibate, extremely promiscuous or homosexual. Few are into heterosexual monogamies.

You don't have to be monogamous with your sex life...

[United Muscovite Nations]

No, it just causes addiction to the feeling.

No it doesn't.

Then why is it so hard for people to stop doing it when they want to stop?

[Aillyria]

You can definitely not be reactionary and be monarchist, if you're pro-constitutional monarchy.

On another note, though I agree with you alot of social policy it would seem. I'm not and cannot be a proper reactionary (nor do I consider myself one) since I'm a socialist.

That's a shame. I tend to agree a lot with socialist economics, but I disagree very strongly with the foundations of socialist thought, and thus tend to reject it altogether.

I don't understand, how can you be fond of the economics, but disagree with the thought behind the economics?

[Aillyria]

This is an interesting fact. The best scientists and philosophers are usually celibate, extremely promiscuous or homosexual. Few are into heterosexual monogamies.

You don't have to be monogamous with your sex life...

It's the morally correct path to be monogamous. Promiscuity is unhealthy.

[Major-Tom]

You don't have to be monogamous with your sex life...

It's the morally correct path to be monogamous. Promiscuity is unhealthy.

No, it's not. So long as your partners are consenting, it's fine. Another caveat, at least from my perspective, is that if you're having sex with someone but don't want a relationship, you should be very clear about defining whatever it is "you are" with them, or else it's shitty.

[New haven america]

You don't have to be monogamous with your sex life...

It's the morally correct path to be monogamous. Promiscuity is unhealthy.

Sex is actually a very healthy activity, and promiscuity doesn't really hurt anyone, so some could argue that it's actually healthy.

[United Muscovite Nations]

That's a shame. I tend to agree a lot with socialist economics, but I disagree very strongly with the foundations of socialist thought, and thus tend to reject it altogether.

I don't understand, how can you be fond of the economics, but disagree with the thought behind the economics?

I'm fond of the economics of the Soviet system because of the control it gives the government over the goings-on of the country. It is very good for destroying the influence of the international cartels and bourgeoisie. But I disagree strongly with the notion that egalitarianism is good.

[United Muscovite Nations]

Promiscuity, as has been shown earlier in the thread, is unhealthy because it leads to higher levels of divorce later in life.

[New Chespril]

i believe marriage is a superficial religious ceremony and is not needed to prove ones affection for another.

[Major-Tom]

Promiscuity, as has been shown earlier in the thread, is unhealthy because it leads to higher levels of divorce later in life.

If you're married, then don't cheat/be promiscuous. If you're not married, then being a single man who is promiscuous is fine, I think, so long as again, there is consent and some level of respect.

Like, don't be with someone and not establish what "it" is.

[NeuPolska]

You don't have to be monogamous with your sex life...

It's the morally correct path to be monogamous. Promiscuity is unhealthy.

Only if one of the people involved have any STIs

Otherwise not really, unless we're talking about mental health. In that case, one has to decide for themselves what matters to them and know their limits. If promiscuity isn't something you want, then no one's forcing you into it. If you enjoy it and don't have any emotional issues with it, then whatever, it's fine. I think the most important thing to consider is how you feel about the other person. If you're fucking just to fuck, then perhaps you might need to think about what you're doing and whether you're doing it for the right reasons. If you're fucking a lot of people but the relationships are passionate and there's a healthy amount of respect, then I'm not in any place to judge. If you're happy, you're happy.

[United Muscovite Nations]

Promiscuity, as has been shown earlier in the thread, is unhealthy because it leads to higher levels of divorce later in life.

If you're married, then don't cheat/be promiscuous. If you're not married, then being a single man who is promiscuous is fine, I think, so long as again, there is consent and some level of respect.

Like, don't be with someone and not establish what "it" is.

I don't mean promiscuity within marriage. Women with more premarital partners are more likely to have unstable marriages and divorce.

[United Muscovite Nations]

It's the morally correct path to be monogamous. Promiscuity is unhealthy.

Only if one of the people involved have any STIs

Otherwise not really, unless we're talking about mental health. In that case, one has to decide for themselves what matters to them and know their limits. If promiscuity isn't something you want, then no one's forcing you into it. If you enjoy it and don't have any emotional issues with it, then whatever, it's fine. I think the most important thing to consider is how you feel about the other person. If you're fucking just to fuck, then perhaps you might need to think about what you're doing and whether you're doing it for the right reasons. If you're fucking a lot of people but the relationships are passionate and there's a healthy amount of respect, then I'm not in any place to judge. If you're happy, you're happy.

Speaking of that, probably due to promiscuity, pretty much every year a new record for STD infections is made. both 2015 and 2016 were record years in the United States.

[NeoOasis]

i believe marriage is a superficial religious ceremony and is not needed to prove ones affection for another.

True, but the tax benefits are certainly nice. Sometimes people like to go a bit beyond proving affection, and make a showing of it... Can't say I oppose or support it. I remain a huge fan of you doing you.

[New haven america]

Also, can't we just critique MGTOW for a second?

1.I don't see why not, but it'd be difficult to do so.

Like seriously, they're doing what millions of people throughout history, both males and females, have done: choosing to not get into relationships in order to pursue work, school, personal hobbies, etc..., except they choose to believe that they're special and being free thinkers, by forming a crowd, and a lot of the time, adding an unneeded sexist spin on it.

2. You're ignoring centuries of gender roles where men worked and women looked after domestic affairs and societies where hobbies could only be afforded by the rich and royalty, who were the people that didn't need to work for a living and therefore could have the time and money to pursue hobbies. Only towards the end of the 19th century did more and more people, the middle classes, acquire enough wealth and free time to also pursue hobbies.

3.You're also ignoring centuries of social pressure where marriage and relationships was considered an essential aspect of becoming an adult, something which hasn't completely disappeared. Granted society at large no longer believes cohabiting to be "living in sin", but there's still pressure on men and women to find a partner, settle down and raise a family. Those that do not, and do not have any other reasons to do so like focusing on a career like many do today, are often considered to be "immature" or "manchildren". There's even a term for men specifically who refuse outright to settle down, marry and have kids: Peter Pan Syndrome.

Given we live within a society that still fully believes in the whole "men are providers" thing, saying that you refuse to participate in that is going to rock the boat.

Like, seriously, if they just said "I'm not dating cause I want to peruse a career/school/hobby", and I'm pretty sure 99% of people wouldn't care. Yet for some reason, they need to add this twist to it that just makes them seem kinda silly...

4.It seems kinda silly to people who have not yet swallowed the Red Pill and understood why we believe what we believe.

You want to know what helps people stop being aroused? Having the smex.

5.Masturbation does the trick.

1. No, it's rather easy
2. You bet I am! Do you wanna know why? Because we don't live in those times, we live in the safest and wealthiest time period in human history
3. I also am doing that. Mainly because there are several societies that didn't actually mind if people got together or not. Also, Peter Pan Syndrome isn't real, but even then you don't understand it's definition, it's for people who are considered "societally immature" (Which is one of the major reasons it doesn't exist, as being societally mature varies wildly across cultures. The person who coined the idea was American and didn't really do any research into other cultures, so yeah...) and has nothing to do with whether your in romantic relationships or not.
4. Ah yes, the Red Pill, another thing that doesn't actually exist.
5. I'd prefer a human over my hand, thank you very much.

[Aillyria]

I don't understand, how can you be fond of the economics, but disagree with the thought behind the economics?

I'm fond of the economics of the Soviet system because of the control it gives the government over the goings-on of the country. It is very good for destroying the influence of the international cartels and bourgeoisie. But I disagree strongly with the notion that egalitarianism is good.

I'm not that type of socialist, infact I wouldn't consider the USSR socialist at all tbh. They had no democratic element to their production process hence it isn't socialist.

I'm a market socialist, and I am an egalitarian at least in the since that I believe that people should have as much equality of opportunity as the government can support. I'm much more authoritarian in the social sphere than the economic one, which I tend to be rather libertarian.

[Katganistan]

Holy Matrimony is sacred and incredibly important. Today however, liberals and atheists are desecrating the act, making it a "secular" institution in which two men and two women can marry. I will uphold the sacrament with my future wife, whether it's my current girlfriend or someone else!

Holy Matrimony and marriage are not necessarily the same thing, as there have been civil marriage contracts pretty much forever.

It's not being 'made' a secular institution -- it IS a civil institution.

Fun fact: you are NOT legally married in the US unless you have the state-issued marriage license. That's why you need to get one ahead of the religious ceremony.

[NeuPolska]

Only if one of the people involved have any STIs

Otherwise not really, unless we're talking about mental health. In that case, one has to decide for themselves what matters to them and know their limits. If promiscuity isn't something you want, then no one's forcing you into it. If you enjoy it and don't have any emotional issues with it, then whatever, it's fine. I think the most important thing to consider is how you feel about the other person. If you're fucking just to fuck, then perhaps you might need to think about what you're doing and whether you're doing it for the right reasons. If you're fucking a lot of people but the relationships are passionate and there's a healthy amount of respect, then I'm not in any place to judge. If you're happy, you're happy.

Speaking of that, probably due to promiscuity, pretty much every year a new record for STD infections is made. both 2015 and 2016 were record years in the United States.

There's a fair argument to be had there. Perhaps reckless promiscuity is responsible for that, but I'd say the way to fix the issue isn't by telling people to stop having sex with others, but to teach people about STIs and the dangers and all that. I mean once you see some real fucked up looking penises or vaginas you realize you don't want that happening to you. So, get to know the person a bit before you fuck them. It's not smart to just bury yourself in anyone that's willing to let you do so. It's a risk, and if you take it, and you end up contracting something, you may not realize and continue to spread it around. That's when things can be dangerous.

So if you want to fuck a lot of people at least get to know them and if possible see if they've been tested. It's not fair to assume that every promiscuous person, or for that matter, anyone with more than just you as a partner throughout their life, has an STI. They're not THAT common.

[Katganistan]

Mechs are an idea people have but go read through that recent mech thread and you'll quickly find things like the square cube law that, which is mathematical, make those fancy drawn-up ideas completely nonsensical. We can think up a lot of things but just because we can think it doesn't make it possible. Besides, sex with a machine would be pretty shallow and unfulfilling. It's just a more physical extension of porn no matter how realistic it may be, and porn is great if you're only concerned about sexual release. But there's a whole lot more to sex than just the raw mechanics of it.

Um, what's this to do with marriage?