What is your thought on marriage?

[Duvniask]

There may come a point where you can hardly tell the difference.

Malfunctioning replicants will be hunted down.

I see you're a man of culture as well.

They'll be so human that soon we'll have replicants to hunt down the replicants!

There may come a point where you can hardly tell the difference.

Machines don't have their own desires or sense of true consciousness because they can never be living and thus never desire to preserve themselves, or do anything besides following their programming, however complex it may be.

So actual humans still > machines

I'm just gonna leave this quote from Ghost in the Shell (1995):
"It can also be argued that DNA is nothing more than a program designed to preserve itself. Life has become more complex in the overwhelming sea of information. And life, when organized into species, relies upon genes to be its memory system. So, man is an individual only because of his intangible memory... and memory cannot be defined, but it defines mankind. The advent of computers, and the subsequent accumulation of incalculable data has given rise to a new system of memory and thought parallel to your own. Humanity has underestimated the consequences of computerization." ―The Puppet Master

So who's to say we aren't just following our own "programming", however complex it might be. Anyway, I guess I have to watch that I don't derail this thread, but while I can understand not finding robots desirable in their present state, and in fact, I can also understand feeling somewhat disgusted towards the idea, I still think it might not matter if they are to become sufficiently complex. In that case, a robot might "love" just as a normal human being. It might be lacking in the ability to reproduce though, which, if you feel that is important, would justify thinking normal humans are better for marriage and romantic relationships.

[Costa Fierro]

I will never get married or even just have sex with a human at all. It serves no purpose.

Robot chicks will be available anyway. lol.

This man knows what's up.

[Costa Fierro]

For the same reason that I find the typical feminazi annoying, they scream and scream without any semblance of civility (not to mention the ones I find particularly annoying usually have some kind of Victim complex).

MRA's don't go around urinating and defecating on public streets or strip naked in front of a government ministry and scream loudly for no reason. In fact MRA's aren't that vocal.

[NeuPolska]

Machines don't have their own desires or sense of true consciousness because they can never be living and thus never desire to preserve themselves, or do anything besides following their programming, however complex it may be.

So actual humans still > machines

I'm just gonna leave this quote from Ghost in the Shell (1995):
"It can also be argued that DNA is nothing more than a program designed to preserve itself. Life has become more complex in the overwhelming sea of information. And life, when organized into species, relies upon genes to be its memory system. So, man is an individual only because of his intangible memory... and memory cannot be defined, but it defines mankind. The advent of computers, and the subsequent accumulation of incalculable data has given rise to a new system of memory and thought parallel to your own. Humanity has underestimated the consequences of computerization." ―The Puppet Master

So who's to say we aren't just following our own "programming", however complex it might be. Anyway, I guess I have to watch that I don't derail this thread, but while I can understand not finding robots desirable in their present state, and in fact, I can also understand feeling somewhat disgusted towards the idea, I still think it might not matter if they are to become sufficiently complex. In that case, a robot might "love" just as a normal human being. It might be lacking in the ability to reproduce though, which, if you feel that is important, would justify thinking normal humans are better for marriage and romantic relationships.

That's a fair point. I find the idea of machines understanding humans well enough to be in a proper relationship with them impossible, though. Machines would have a completely different thought process. Machines are also very good at calculations and concrete ideas, while humans excel with abstract concepts. Our ability to think on a philosophical level and question our own existence is what makes us who we are. Machines, no matter how complicated, are not natural. They cannot reproduce. They don't have instincts. They may not even have a sense of self-preservation unless humans decide it's worthwhile to program it into them. They will not evolve on their own like biological creatures have. The lack of being human and having human thought processes means that one couldn't communicate with them in the same way as they could with a fellow human.

Reproduction is important to me because I do want children, preferably two, maybe three if it proves to be manageable, but that's a bridge I'll cross when I get there. Keeps the population stable and increases the likelihood of grandchildren, from a purely calculated point of view, but from my own more human point of view I'd love to be a parent and raise a couple kids with my wife, and hopefully raise them well enough for them to have a positive impact on our world. But aside from that, I also need someone who I can communicate with on a deep level. Anything non-human will eventually come to a point where they cannot relate with humans. I don't want a partner that'll simply take orders and listen to everything I say. If that's all I wanted, then a machine would be perfect. But I want someone who I can talk to and discuss things with, and who will stand up for what they believe in; I want a partnership, not a dictatorship.

[Costa Fierro]

Hell no, that's some satanic BS. That and pedophilia are next for the "liberals" to try to shove down our throats.

Excuse you? Pedophilia is abhorrent. Children cannot consent. What gave you the idea liberals have any less disgust about child sexual abuse than anyone else?

Apparently pedophiles are taking it upon themselves by creating the term "pedosexual" and trying to make it a legitimate sexual orientation.

[Summertimequestionswine]

What is your thought on marriage?

Always a groomsmen, never a groom.

[Costa Fierro]

What is your thought on marriage?

Always a groomsmen, never a groom.

Do you want to be a groom?

[United Muscovite Nations]

Excuse you? Pedophilia is abhorrent. Children cannot consent. What gave you the idea liberals have any less disgust about child sexual abuse than anyone else?

Apparently pedophiles are taking it upon themselves by creating the term "pedosexual" and trying to make it a legitimate sexual orientation.

IIRC, a few early LGBT movements did include pedophilia before they were kicked out of the movement by making the movement appear more extreme and less appealing.

[FelrikTheDeleted]

[...]In fact MRA's aren't that vocal.

I'd beg to differ, considering my own interactions with some members of the group. There may not be as many vocal MRA 'manchildren' (to give this minority among the group a name) as there are vocal 'Feminazi's', but they're definitely as annoying.

[Summertimequestionswine]

Always a groomsmen, never a groom.

Do you want to be a groom?

What I want is that docking kind of love.

[Katzenstaat]

I will never get married or even just have sex with a human at all. It serves no purpose.

Robot chicks will be available anyway. lol.

This man knows what's up.

:-)
I'm an MGTOW.
I don't want dramas in relationships nor do I want children. I just want to be a freethinker. Why the heck do I want to bother with a chick (or a male homosexual partner)? I like to be alone just like a cat.

A robot wife + a cat as a companion > human girlfriends at any time!

[Summertimequestionswine]

I like to be alone just like a cat.

Unless they want to be fed.

Or petted.

Or a scratched behind the ear.

Or get a belly rub.

Or it's cold outside.

Or the cat is just bored.

Actually, it turns out cats don't like to be left alone, like most social animals.

Humans, for example.

[New haven america]

This man knows what's up.

:-)
I'm an MGTOW.
I don't want dramas in relationships nor do I want children. I just want to be a freethinker. Why the heck do I want to bother with a chick (or a male homosexual partner)? I like to be alone just like a cat.

A robot wife + a cat as a companion > human girlfriends at any time!

So, you're being a freethinker by following a crowd? Makes sense...

Also, I don't think you understand cats or felines, as a lot of feline species tend to be very social animals. (Including house cats and lions)

[Major-Tom]

This man knows what's up.

:-)
I'm an MGTOW.
I don't want dramas in relationships nor do I want children. I just want to be a freethinker. Why the heck do I want to bother with a chick (or a male homosexual partner)? I like to be alone just like a cat.

A robot wife + a cat as a companion > human girlfriends at any time!

Companionship, in my opinion, is often necessary. Relationships, as stressful as they can be, serve a purpose. So does sex. Not acting on your sexual desires and refusing to find a consensual partner just seems silly to me. One can be a freethinker and have sexual relations, partners, or perhaps even a relationship if you find someone.

Just sayin'.

[Costa Fierro]

I'm an MGTOW.

Same here.

I don't want dramas in relationships nor do I want children. I just want to be a freethinker. Why the heck do I want to bother with a chick (or a male homosexual partner)? I like to be alone just like a cat.

A robot wife + a cat as a companion > human girlfriends at any time!

Despite what others may think, I'm not that into robot wives. Why spend a lot of money when there's plenty of free porn?

So, you're being a freethinker by following a crowd? Makes sense...

MGTOW is very simple: don't get married, don't be friends with women and don't cohabit with them. Other than that, there's nothing else that's required. You're free to do whatever you damn well want.

[NeuPolska]

It all makes sense now

[New haven america]

:-)
I'm an MGTOW.
I don't want dramas in relationships nor do I want children. I just want to be a freethinker. Why the heck do I want to bother with a chick (or a male homosexual partner)? I like to be alone just like a cat.

A robot wife + a cat as a companion > human girlfriends at any time!

Companionship, in my opinion, is often necessary. Relationships, as stressful as they can be, serve a purpose. So does sex. Not acting on your sexual desires and refusing to find a consensual partner just seems silly to me. One can be a freethinker and have sexual relations, partners, or perhaps even a relationship if you find someone.

Just sayin'.

Also, can't we just critique MGTOW for a second?

Like seriously, they're doing what millions of people throughout history, both males and females, have done: choosing to not get into relationships in order to pursue work, school, personal hobbies, etc..., except they choose to believe that they're special and being free thinkers, by forming a crowd, and a lot of the time, adding an unneeded sexist spin on it.

Like, seriously, if they just said "I'm not dating cause I want to peruse a career/school/hobby", and I'm pretty sure 99% of people wouldn't care. Yet for some reason, they need to add this twist to it that just makes them seem kinda silly...

[Major-Tom]

Companionship, in my opinion, is often necessary. Relationships, as stressful as they can be, serve a purpose. So does sex. Not acting on your sexual desires and refusing to find a consensual partner just seems silly to me. One can be a freethinker and have sexual relations, partners, or perhaps even a relationship if you find someone.

Just sayin'.

Also, can't we just critique MGTOW for a second?

Like seriously, they're doing what millions of people throughout history, both males and females, have done: choosing to not get into relationships in order to pursue work, school, personal hobbies, etc..., except they choose to believe that they're special and being free thinkers, by forming a crowd, and a lot of the time, adding an unneeded sexist spin on it.

Like, seriously, if they just said "I'm not dating cause I want to peruse a career/school/hobby", and I'm pretty sure 99% of people wouldn't care. Yet for some reason, they need to add this twist to it that just makes them seem kinda silly...

I don't know what MGTOW is tbh.

[The Founding Fatherland]

Marriage is supposed be a symbol of true love, a union of two people who share a very special emotional connection and unique relationship.

Unfortunately nowadays it's just a fad for people who think with their genitals. It seems like nobody marries for love anymore, and that's quite depressing.

[Katzenstaat]

I'm an MGTOW.

Same here.

I don't want dramas in relationships nor do I want children. I just want to be a freethinker. Why the heck do I want to bother with a chick (or a male homosexual partner)? I like to be alone just like a cat.

A robot wife + a cat as a companion > human girlfriends at any time!

Despite what others may think, I'm not that into robot wives. Why spend a lot of money when there's plenty of free porn?

So, you're being a freethinker by following a crowd? Makes sense...

MGTOW is very simple: don't get married, don't be friends with women and don't cohabit with them. Other than that, there's nothing else that's required. You're free to do whatever you damn well want.

I refuse to have sex. If one day I really want to try out human sex I will go to a legal brothel in Nevada. I refuse to get married or get into any relationship. I'm not really friends with anyone lol. I do have female acquaintances especially online not because they are female but because they are ratonalists so it is clear that there is no sexuality involved (I officially declare myself asexual which is correct in the sense that I have low libido and never act on sexual urges)

[New haven america]

Also, can't we just critique MGTOW for a second?

Like seriously, they're doing what millions of people throughout history, both males and females, have done: choosing to not get into relationships in order to pursue work, school, personal hobbies, etc..., except they choose to believe that they're special and being free thinkers, by forming a crowd, and a lot of the time, adding an unneeded sexist spin on it.

Like, seriously, if they just said "I'm not dating cause I want to peruse a career/school/hobby", and I'm pretty sure 99% of people wouldn't care. Yet for some reason, they need to add this twist to it that just makes them seem kinda silly...

I don't know what MGTOW is tbh.

Men Going Their Own Way.

They're males who decide not to have relationships in order to pursue other ventures or avenues (Which is actually pretty normal), but they then decide to claim that they're free thinkers for avoiding relationships, and a lot of the time choose to be sexist towards women, as apparently the entire female sex/gender is the product of Satan or something.

[Katzenstaat]

Companionship, in my opinion, is often necessary. Relationships, as stressful as they can be, serve a purpose. So does sex. Not acting on your sexual desires and refusing to find a consensual partner just seems silly to me. One can be a freethinker and have sexual relations, partners, or perhaps even a relationship if you find someone.

Just sayin'.

Also, can't we just critique MGTOW for a second?

Like seriously, they're doing what millions of people throughout history, both males and females, have done: choosing to not get into relationships in order to pursue work, school, personal hobbies, etc..., except they choose to believe that they're special and being free thinkers, by forming a crowd, and a lot of the time, adding an unneeded sexist spin on it.

Like, seriously, if they just said "I'm not dating cause I want to peruse a career/school/hobby", and I'm pretty sure 99% of people wouldn't care. Yet for some reason, they need to add this twist to it that just makes them seem kinda silly...

I like the Jewish mathematician Paul Erdos as well as Newton and Tesla. :-) I have gone Erdos and will never go back.

[Katzenstaat]

I don't know what MGTOW is tbh.

Men Going Their Own Way.

They're males who decide not to have relationships in order to pursue other ventures or avenues (Which is actually pretty normal), but they then decide to claim that they're free thinkers for avoiding relationships, and a lot of the time choose to be sexist towards women, as apparently the entire female sex/gender is the product of Satan or something.

I don't. I treat women nicely. When there is no sexuality involved there is no reason to bash women or hate them. When everything remains non-romantic they can be friendly. I'm only into interesting discussions. And...I won't kick someone out due to their gender or race. If you like rationality like me we can get along well.

[NeuPolska]

Men Going Their Own Way.

They're males who decide not to have relationships in order to pursue other ventures or avenues (Which is actually pretty normal), but they then decide to claim that they're free thinkers for avoiding relationships, and a lot of the time choose to be sexist towards women, as apparently the entire female sex/gender is the product of Satan or something.

If females are the product of Satan then I better be going to Hell

[The Founding Fatherland]

Men Going Their Own Way.

They're males who decide not to have relationships in order to pursue other ventures or avenues (Which is actually pretty normal), but they then decide to claim that they're free thinkers for avoiding relationships, and a lot of the time choose to be sexist towards women, as apparently the entire female sex/gender is the product of Satan or something.

If females are the product of Satan then I better be going to Hell

Forgive me Lord, for I have sinned and will continue to do so.