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Which System of Government, and Why?

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Which Governmental System Do You Prefer?

Monarchy (Absolute Monarchy, Constitutional Monarchy, Dictatorship, Etc.)
42
22%
Democracy (Representative, Direct, Social, Etc.)
87
45%
Aristocracy (Oligarchy, Agrarian, Etc.)
8
4%
Meritocracy (Geniocracy, Noocracy, General Meritocracy, Etc.)
13
7%
Anarchy (Anarcho-Capitalism, Anarcho-Communism, Etc.)
15
8%
Mixed Government System
20
10%
Other (Kritarchy, Idiocracy, Capracracy, Etc.)
9
5%
 
Total votes : 194

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Malve and Majavera
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Which System of Government, and Why?

Postby Malve and Majavera » Fri Sep 29, 2017 7:08 pm

The topic is pretty self explanatory, which governmental structure do you prefer, and why? I like to see other's views from a new perspective, and I think this might help me with that goal.

Edit: K there!

Examples would include: Monarchy, Democracy, Confederacy, Aristocracy, Geniocracy, Meritocracy and a heap load of others!

I personally prefer a monarchy due to it's low time preference and ability to protect private property rights! For example, in a democracy (rep or direct) there is an incentive by the elected 'politician' and public to cast new laws and regulations entirely on the basis of their version of 'equality,' in a quick way usually so that is enforced while they are in office. This casts a high time preference on the country or nation as a whole because the politician or elected are only in for a short period of time. In a monarchy this is reversed being as though the monarch is in until he/she dies creating a low-time preference incentive to where he/she doesn't use as many resources in the present to gain a greater reward in the future.

Like I said, I'm open to the possibility of changing my views on things, just need to see those reasons to change! : D

Also, I am currently working on a poll!
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Postby Farnhamia » Fri Sep 29, 2017 7:09 pm

Malve and Majavera wrote:The topic is pretty self explanatory, which governmental structure do you prefer, and why? I like to see other's views from a new perspective, and I think this might help me with that goal.

I think you ought to list a few different types and provide your opinion. Really. I do.
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Postby Telconi » Fri Sep 29, 2017 7:10 pm

Malve and Majavera wrote:The topic is pretty self explanatory, which governmental structure do you prefer, and why? I like to see other's views from a new perspective, and I think this might help me with that goal.


Representative democracy ideally.

But, having said that, the way the government acts is far more important than that honestly. I'd take a benevolent, liberty loving absolute monarch over a republic that infringes my rights.

Also, maybe a poll or something?
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Postby Destructive Government Economic System » Fri Sep 29, 2017 7:13 pm

Telconi wrote:
Malve and Majavera wrote:The topic is pretty self explanatory, which governmental structure do you prefer, and why? I like to see other's views from a new perspective, and I think this might help me with that goal.


Representative democracy ideally.

But, having said that, the way the government acts is far more important than that honestly. I'd take a benevolent, liberty loving absolute monarch over a republic that infringes my rights.


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Postby Ratateague » Fri Sep 29, 2017 7:25 pm

Some sort of fusion of delegative democracy with deliberative democracy. Fat chance of seeing any examples here, as representatives don't cozy up to the idea of loosening their power. I'm keen to the pirate parties in europe using software to achieve this on a small scale, but I don't expect it to be willfully adopted by any of the governments anytime soon.

Why? Less barriers to entry, voters may funnel their votes into someone they trust to make better-informed decisions, more accountability as delegates can be recalled by vote, flexibility on term lengths.
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Postby Donut section » Fri Sep 29, 2017 7:44 pm

No system of government can represent the range of people within it's borders. So at absolute maximum amount of government is a Minarchy. Anything more is oppressive.

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Postby Ethel mermania » Fri Sep 29, 2017 8:07 pm

total dictatorship wuth me in charge. things need to change

everybody is going to do aeorbics, i fucking mean EVERYBODY
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Postby Nirvash Type TheEND » Fri Sep 29, 2017 8:15 pm

Whichever system will defend my right to private property and I affords me interaction with my government. Social liberalism, republicanism, doesn't matter. So long as it allows me to exist mostly unmolested I'm kosher with it.
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Postby Vossem » Fri Sep 29, 2017 8:36 pm

Give Nirvash a cookie, private property rights are arguably the cornerstone of any democracy because it gives people the freedoms necessary to prosper, and gives people am invested interest in preserving their nation. Personally, I'd like a government that is a mix of a representative democracy, a republic with some elements of a technocracy in an advisory role. The problem with "democracies" is that only the politically invested participate in the political apparatus. In my country, the Netherlands, only a tiny minority (something like 2%) of people are members of a political party and it is the parties that propose new laws and policies. A vast majority of people will never have any effect on the running of their nation. While this is a bit of a niche problem in my own case, this has the potential to get out of hand should a party, by some fluke, gain a majority and force through their agenda. This is where a technocracy has some merits. Be they private think-tanks or government offices in the model of the European Commission, these institutions provide the specific technical know-how needed to run a country.

Then again, the idea of small government appeals to me too. Let me take care of my own affairs while providing the bare minimum of services the state needs to operate. The market shall provide ;)

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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Fri Sep 29, 2017 8:37 pm

The monarch, being the sovereign, should have relatively unrestricted powers, especially over the military. However, I think an Emperor should allow technocrats to run much of the daily affairs of the country through a parliament, which the Emperor, again, has absolute authority over. That said, I think a monarch should be held to their coronation oath, as interpreted by the Church authorities.
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Postby Egyptian Pharocracy » Fri Sep 29, 2017 8:54 pm

Poll options category error: (minor)

Aristocracy (Oligarchy, Timocracy, Agrarian, Etc.)


A Timocracy isn't strictly speaking an aristocracy based system of government. It's a meritocracy where the measure of merit is based upon whether someone is a property owner, ie: whether they actually have "skin in the game" in order to participate in governing.

https://infogalactic.com/info/Timocracy

A closely related form to Timocracy would be the Stratocracy, especially in the Heinleinian form where Federal Service (either military or civic service) is required for qualification for participation in governance.

https://infogalactic.com/info/Stratocracy

The Pharocracy, while nominally an executive Constitutional Monarchy, is actually a hybrid of Timocracy and Stratocracy when you start digging into the details of the actual qualifications for government service and voting citizenship.

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Postby Borovan4 » Fri Sep 29, 2017 9:24 pm

Monarchy is best under the right ruler. Democracy fails because ppl are sheep. Something in the middle.

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Postby Ramune and Chocolate » Fri Sep 29, 2017 10:02 pm

The one which maximizes liberty of every individual by endowing absolute equality of power to all (absolute sovereignty over the self, none over others -- in essence radical liberalism). Ideally, this means no government.
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Postby Kombinita Socialisma Demokratio » Fri Sep 29, 2017 10:05 pm

Direct democracy with a constitution that prohibits certain things and gives weight to certain sides of things (although in practice, as members of the population enforce laws, they also get to create them)... I like it best as it tries to prohibit certain things and tries to be quite fair in decision making.
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Postby Trotskylvania » Fri Sep 29, 2017 11:33 pm

The revolutionary dictatorship of the proletariat.

Because all other alternatives are just different flavors of the dictatorship of the bourgeoisie. Only the working class, by taking power as a class for itself, can emancipate humanity from class domination.
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Postby Cetacea » Fri Sep 29, 2017 11:37 pm

Gerontocratic Communalist Matriarchy

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Postby The Blaatschapen » Sat Sep 30, 2017 12:16 am

I want a government that is accountable to the people it serves.

So a form of democracy is wanted.
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Postby The Blaatschapen » Sat Sep 30, 2017 12:17 am

Ethel mermania wrote:total dictatorship wuth me in charge. things need to change

everybody is going to do aeorbics, i fucking mean EVERYBODY


You first.
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Postby War Gears » Sat Sep 30, 2017 12:20 am

I favor a corporatist democracy where different guilds or syndicates have representation in a chamber of corporations which deliberate and pass legislature, preferably with political parties kept as far away from power as possible.
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Postby Costa Fierro » Sat Sep 30, 2017 12:42 am

Benevolent dictatorship.
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Postby Telconi » Sat Sep 30, 2017 12:51 am

Trotskylvania wrote:The revolutionary dictatorship of the proletariat.

Because all other alternatives are just different flavors of the dictatorship of the bourgeoisie. Only the working class, by taking power as a class for itself, can emancipate humanity from class domination.


How does a dictatorship of a bunch of people work?
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Postby The Blaatschapen » Sat Sep 30, 2017 12:53 am

Telconi wrote:
Trotskylvania wrote:The revolutionary dictatorship of the proletariat.

Because all other alternatives are just different flavors of the dictatorship of the bourgeoisie. Only the working class, by taking power as a class for itself, can emancipate humanity from class domination.


How does a dictatorship of a bunch of people work?


Murder among the top crowd usually.
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Postby Stormaen » Sat Sep 30, 2017 1:00 am

Personally, I think New Zealand hits the nail right on the head.

It coupled my preferences for an apolitical, cultural and historical figurehead such as only a constitutional monarch provides can provide, with a parliamentary democracy elected by proportional representation that maintains a local constituency link.

As a side note. I’d like to see the UK switch to MMP/AMS some day. Maybe I’ll have to lead that charge myself... :lol:
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