Why the obsession with religiously-derived laws?

[Farnhamia]

Religion shouldn't have a place in politics. If you enforce a law that is based off of a religious belief, then you are going to be opposed by people of another religious belief. It's just too feeble to openly discuss in politics.

As for the OP's question, it's because people want religious freedom. The New England colonies are the best example of this that you're going to get.

Okay, I guess we shouldn't enforce laws against murder, theft, and adultery, aye? After all, not all of us are Jews and Christians.

Murder and theft do not need divine utterances to make them illegal, and why should adultery be illegal?

[The of Japan]

Okay, I guess we shouldn't enforce laws against murder, theft, and adultery, aye? After all, not all of us are Jews and Christians.

Murder and theft do not need divine utterances to make them illegal, and why should adultery be illegal?

because fucking a married man/woman is wrong?

[Farnhamia]

Murder and theft do not need divine utterances to make them illegal, and why should adultery be illegal?

because fucking a married man/woman is wrong?

Why? It may be unethical but why should it be against the law?

[Stormwrath]

Okay, I guess we shouldn't enforce laws against murder, theft, and adultery, aye? After all, not all of us are Jews and Christians.

Murder and theft do not need divine utterances to make them illegal, and why should adultery be illegal?

Very well then, how do you know it's wrong to murder or steal?

And come on, very few would tolerate someone fucking his/her spouse, even in places where you can commit adultery. Plus, adultery being legal kinda makes the whole point of marriage moot.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

I know, I just use it for any Arabic religious term I use

No it's not

https://www.google.com/search?q=heathen ... ve&ssui=on But still, heathen is used in a derogatory way. Kafir isn't, and just because some do doesn't mean you ban its use.

A word of advice from your friendly neighborhood Mod, be careful how you use "kafir." It's derogatory meanings by some people can get you in trouble unless you are very careful in setting the context for it's use.

Yes, sir/ma'am.

[Farnhamia]

Murder and theft do not need divine utterances to make them illegal, and why should adultery be illegal?

Very well then, how do you know it's wrong to murder or steal?

And come on, very few would tolerate someone fucking his/her spouse, even in places where you can commit adultery. Plus, adultery being legal kinda makes the whole point of marriage moot.

Murder and theft damage society as a whole. Adultery does not. And decriminalizing adultery does not make marriages pointless. Is your commitment to another person so fragile that you require the threat of legal punishment to keep you faithful to them?

[Ethel mermania]

Very well then, how do you know it's wrong to murder or steal?

And come on, very few would tolerate someone fucking his/her spouse, even in places where you can commit adultery. Plus, adultery being legal kinda makes the whole point of marriage moot.

Murder and theft damage society as a whole. Adultery does not. And decriminalizing adultery does not make marriages pointless. Is your commitment to another person so fragile that you require the threat of legal punishment to keep you faithful to them?

my wife earned a brown belt taking lessons from a sparring partner of Bruce Lee, that threat is enough for me

[Greed and Death]

May I ask the OP to define religiously derived law ?

[Vassenor]

Murder and theft do not need divine utterances to make them illegal, and why should adultery be illegal?

Very well then, how do you know it's wrong to murder or steal?

And come on, very few would tolerate someone fucking his/her spouse, even in places where you can commit adultery. Plus, adultery being legal kinda makes the whole point of marriage moot.

Is this another one of those "atheists can't have morality" things?

[FelrikTheDeleted]

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[Albrenia]

Very well then, how do you know it's wrong to murder or steal?

And come on, very few would tolerate someone fucking his/her spouse, even in places where you can commit adultery. Plus, adultery being legal kinda makes the whole point of marriage moot.

Is this another one of those "atheists can't have morality" things?

Same bullcrap as usual. Religion did not and does not give us the reason for murder, theft and other such harms to be illegal. Not all of us require threat of punishment from the divine to be decent human beings.

[Victores]

Because most people think that their religion is more important than the laws of the State, but they don't want to break laws. Therefore they want these two sets of laws to be the same. My religion doesn't really have a legal code though, so I wouldn't know

[Kubumba Tribe]

Because most people think that their religion is more important than the laws of the State, but they don't want to break laws. Therefore they want these two sets of laws to be the same. My religion doesn't really have a legal code though, so I wouldn't know

What religion do you adhere to?

[Victores]

Because most people think that their religion is more important than the laws of the State, but they don't want to break laws. Therefore they want these two sets of laws to be the same. My religion doesn't really have a legal code though, so I wouldn't know

What religion do you adhere to?

Confucianism. The Communist leaning-branch that rejects some of the more reactionary teachings.

[Minzerland II]

Very well then, how do you know it's wrong to murder or steal?

And come on, very few would tolerate someone fucking his/her spouse, even in places where you can commit adultery. Plus, adultery being legal kinda makes the whole point of marriage moot.

Murder and theft damage society as a whole. Adultery does not.

TIL that breaking promises isn't damaging in anyway to society, and that trust between the members of society isn't important.

And decriminalizing adultery does not make marriages pointless.

Of course it does. If you sign a contract with someone else, but there are no ramifications or consequences for breaking that contract, what is the point of having a contract?

Is your commitment to another person so fragile that you require the threat of legal punishment to keep you faithful to them?

Or, rather, is my wife unable to keep herself faithful to me? Well, she will be more likely to be faithful if she will be punished for being unfaithful.

[Farnhamia]

Murder and theft damage society as a whole. Adultery does not.

TIL that breaking promises isn't damaging in anyway to society, and that trust between the members of society isn't important.

And decriminalizing adultery does not make marriages pointless.

Of course it does. If you sign a contract with someone else, but there are no ramifications or consequences for breaking that contract, what is the point of having a contract?

Is your commitment to another person so fragile that you require the threat of legal punishment to keep you faithful to them?

Or, rather, is my wife unable to keep herself faithful to me? Well, she will be more likely to be faithful if she will be punished for being unfaithful.

Piffle. I didn't say that breaking promises wasn't important, simply that it doesn't need to be criminalized. The remedy for adultery is a nice, savage divorce. And how nice for your wife to find out you don't think she has the moral fortitude to stay faithful to you without a looming legal punishment.

[Thermodolia]

Murder and theft do not need divine utterances to make them illegal, and why should adultery be illegal?

Very well then, how do you know it's wrong to murder or steal?

And come on, very few would tolerate someone fucking his/her spouse, even in places where you can commit adultery. Plus, adultery being legal kinda makes the whole point of marriage moot.

One the first one because it harms others


For the second. No making adultery legal doesn't make marriage moot. People can still get married.

[Minzerland II]

TIL that breaking promises isn't damaging in anyway to society, and that trust between the members of society isn't important.

Of course it does. If you sign a contract with someone else, but there are no ramifications or consequences for breaking that contract, what is the point of having a contract?

Or, rather, is my wife unable to keep herself faithful to me? Well, she will be more likely to be faithful if she will be punished for being unfaithful.

Piffle. I didn't say that breaking promises wasn't important, simply that it doesn't need to be criminalized.

Although marriages are, in their most basic form, promises through and through, it is probably more accurate to call marriage a contract; which has legal ramifications for obvious reasons.

The remedy for adultery is a nice, savage divorce.

If they committed adultery, I fail to see how this is very damaging; they didn't seem to care for the marriage anyway.

And how nice for your wife to find out you don't think she has the moral fortitude to stay faithful to you without a looming legal punishment.

I don't have a wife, that was just a statement to make my point. Nevertheless, not all people have the fortitude to be faithful in marriage without ramifications for being unfaithful.

[Senkaku]

Piffle. I didn't say that breaking promises wasn't important, simply that it doesn't need to be criminalized.

Although marriages are, in their most basic form, promises through and through, it is probably more accurate to call marriage a contract; which has legal ramifications for obvious reasons.

Hence, divorce, which frequently occurs when a partner is unfaithful.

[Senkaku]

Very well then, how do you know it's wrong to murder or steal?

And come on, very few would tolerate someone fucking his/her spouse, even in places where you can commit adultery. Plus, adultery being legal kinda makes the whole point of marriage moot.

Is this another one of those "atheists can't have morality" things?

Yes. Because unless a man in the sky hands you a book, how would you know right from wrong, Vass?

[The of China]

Is this another one of those "atheists can't have morality" things?

Yes. Because unless a man in the sky hands you a book, how would you know right from wrong, Vass?

that is slightly misinterpreting the argument

[Hakons]

Is this another one of those "atheists can't have morality" things?

Yes. Because unless a man in the sky hands you a book, how would you know right from wrong, Vass?

>Christians don't believe the Bible was written by God

[Minzerland II]

Although marriages are, in their most basic form, promises through and through, it is probably more accurate to call marriage a contract; which has legal ramifications for obvious reasons.

Hence, divorce, which frequently occurs when a partner is unfaithful.

As I said, I don't think they care for the marriage anyway if they commit adultery. They need to be punished through more than termination of the contract.

[United Muscovite Nations]

Is this another one of those "atheists can't have morality" things?

Yes. Because unless a man in the sky hands you a book, how would you know right from wrong, Vass?

Look, if you're going to attack Christian beliefs, you should at least describe them correctly.

[The of China]

Yes. Because unless a man in the sky hands you a book, how would you know right from wrong, Vass?

Look, if you're going to attack Christian beliefs, you should at least describe them correctly.

at least, jesus