NATION

PASSWORD

Birth rates among Europeans / Westerners

For discussion and debate about anything. (Not a roleplay related forum; out-of-character commentary only.)

Advertisement

Remove ads

What are the main causes of birth rates falling across Europe/The West?

Women's increased participation in the workforce
37
15%
Lack of religiosity
17
7%
Lack of work-life balance to be able to care for a child
32
13%
Cost of bringing up a child
64
26%
Breakdown of social fabric (divorces/marriage instability/age of marriage)
30
12%
Fear of child's future (economic)
16
7%
Fear of child's future (social)
7
3%
Job insecurity or lack of career planning
14
6%
Fear of commitment
13
5%
A lax attitude to, or pressure to, abortion
14
6%
 
Total votes : 244

User avatar
Ethel mermania
Post Overlord
 
Posts: 129707
Founded: Aug 20, 2010
Corrupt Dictatorship

Postby Ethel mermania » Sat Sep 23, 2017 11:43 am

Ifreann wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:
Mao is dead.

Yes, that's what we wanted you to think.

Fuck, I have fallen for it.
https://www.hvst.com/posts/the-clash-of ... s-wl2TQBpY

The West won the world not by the superiority of its ideas or values or religion … but rather by its superiority in applying organized violence. Westerners often forget this fact; non-Westerners never do.
--S. Huntington

The most fundamental problem of politics is not the control of wickedness but the limitation of righteousness. 

--H. Kissenger

User avatar
Oil exporting People
Powerbroker
 
Posts: 8281
Founded: Jan 31, 2011
Ex-Nation

Postby Oil exporting People » Sat Sep 23, 2017 5:59 pm

Vassenor wrote:If a demographic cannot be bothered to breed then perhaps it's time to let it die out.


Between sub-replacement birth rates, abortion and endemic violence, American Blacks are in a pretty bad state; does this same logic apply to them?
National Syndicalist
“The blood of the heroes is closer to God than the ink of the philosophers and the prayers of the faithful.” - Julius Evola
Endorsing Greg "Grab 'em by the Neck" Gianforte and Brett "I Like Beer" Kavanaugh for 2020

User avatar
LimaUniformNovemberAlpha
Senator
 
Posts: 4364
Founded: Apr 05, 2017
Ex-Nation

Postby LimaUniformNovemberAlpha » Sat Sep 23, 2017 6:08 pm

I voted cost of bringing up a child, and fear for the child's future, as those are two big ones.

But I couldn't help but notice that environmental reasons were absent. Those are pretty significant too, so it's a bit of a false dichotomy.
Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:1. The PRC is not a Communist State, as it has shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.
2. The CCP is not a Communist Party, as it has shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.
3. Xi Jinping and his cronies are not Communists, as they have shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.

How do we know this? Because the first step toward Communism is Socialism, and none of the aforementioned are even remotely Socialist in any way, shape, or form.

User avatar
Imperializt Russia
Khan of Spam
 
Posts: 54863
Founded: Jun 03, 2011
Corporate Police State

Postby Imperializt Russia » Sun Sep 24, 2017 4:59 am

Constitutional Technocracy of Minecraft wrote:
Aellex wrote:1. It seems that unnamed scientist was right given we've still yet to manage to leave the solar system or just create a colony on Mars.

2. Not more than it already is which is very, very unlikely.

3. Shit rant aside, I see you're by your own admission a traitor to the human race. Utterly disgusting.

4. It's still a shit one and not much of an argument, tho .

1. That just is there to prove my point. Also, the thing preventing us from creating a colony on Mars, for that matter, isn't technological barriers for the most part, it's mostly lack of political will. Private space companies like SpaceX and Blue Origin are far more likely to colonise Mars than NASA or CNSA.

2. Bear in mind I am planning on a STEM career in the future :P

3. If the human race, for the sake of argument, entirely shuns transhumanism, sooner or later it will destroy itself out of its own stupidity one way or another (nuclear war, climate change, antimatter weaponry, grey goo etc.) - in that hypothetical reality that would become more and more likely as technology advances

4. Ok, it's a shit argument. Doesn't change much though.

There are actually enormous technological barriers to colonising a dead planet like Mars, but OK.
Warning! This poster has:
PT puppet of the People's Republic of Samozaryadnyastan.

Lamadia wrote:dangerous socialist attitude
Also,
Imperializt Russia wrote:I'm English, you tit.

User avatar
Imperializt Russia
Khan of Spam
 
Posts: 54863
Founded: Jun 03, 2011
Corporate Police State

Postby Imperializt Russia » Sun Sep 24, 2017 5:08 am

Oil exporting People wrote:
Vassenor wrote:If a demographic cannot be bothered to breed then perhaps it's time to let it die out.


Between sub-replacement birth rates, abortion and endemic violence, American Blacks are in a pretty bad state; does this same logic apply to them?

Despite all this fretting about SUB-REPLACEMENT O NOES, the populations of American whites, non-Hispanic whites and blacks don't seem to be experiencing any sort of decline, nor displacement. Each census brings a new record population of whites, non-Hispanic whites, and blacks. By a hilarious margin, each time - with the exception of the 1860/70 census.
Last edited by Imperializt Russia on Sun Sep 24, 2017 5:09 am, edited 1 time in total.
Warning! This poster has:
PT puppet of the People's Republic of Samozaryadnyastan.

Lamadia wrote:dangerous socialist attitude
Also,
Imperializt Russia wrote:I'm English, you tit.

User avatar
The Blaatschapen
Technical Moderator
 
Posts: 63227
Founded: Antiquity
Anarchy

Postby The Blaatschapen » Sun Sep 24, 2017 5:30 am

Imperializt Russia wrote:
Constitutional Technocracy of Minecraft wrote:1. That just is there to prove my point. Also, the thing preventing us from creating a colony on Mars, for that matter, isn't technological barriers for the most part, it's mostly lack of political will. Private space companies like SpaceX and Blue Origin are far more likely to colonise Mars than NASA or CNSA.

2. Bear in mind I am planning on a STEM career in the future :P

3. If the human race, for the sake of argument, entirely shuns transhumanism, sooner or later it will destroy itself out of its own stupidity one way or another (nuclear war, climate change, antimatter weaponry, grey goo etc.) - in that hypothetical reality that would become more and more likely as technology advances

4. Ok, it's a shit argument. Doesn't change much though.

There are actually enormous technological barriers to colonising a dead planet like Mars, but OK.


Think of the awesome tech we have to develop for that. And how that awesome tech will enable us to spread cat videos and cheese.
The Blaatschapen should resign

User avatar
Infected Mushroom
Post Czar
 
Posts: 39292
Founded: Apr 15, 2014
Corrupt Dictatorship

Postby Infected Mushroom » Sun Sep 24, 2017 5:36 am

Good

Less screaming infants in public; baby are annoying as hell

I support this state of affairs

User avatar
Herador
Powerbroker
 
Posts: 8942
Founded: Mar 08, 2011
Democratic Socialists

Postby Herador » Sun Sep 24, 2017 6:01 am

Imperializt Russia wrote:
Constitutional Technocracy of Minecraft wrote:1. That just is there to prove my point. Also, the thing preventing us from creating a colony on Mars, for that matter, isn't technological barriers for the most part, it's mostly lack of political will. Private space companies like SpaceX and Blue Origin are far more likely to colonise Mars than NASA or CNSA.

2. Bear in mind I am planning on a STEM career in the future :P

3. If the human race, for the sake of argument, entirely shuns transhumanism, sooner or later it will destroy itself out of its own stupidity one way or another (nuclear war, climate change, antimatter weaponry, grey goo etc.) - in that hypothetical reality that would become more and more likely as technology advances

4. Ok, it's a shit argument. Doesn't change much though.

There are actually enormous technological barriers to colonising a dead planet like Mars, but OK.

Look, if Matt Damon can do it with some potatoes I'm sure we can do it too. We could easily manage to double his potato output.
Last edited by Herador on Sun Sep 24, 2017 6:03 am, edited 1 time in total.
Vaguely a pessimist, certainly an absurdist, unironically an antinatalist.

User avatar
The Blaatschapen
Technical Moderator
 
Posts: 63227
Founded: Antiquity
Anarchy

Postby The Blaatschapen » Sun Sep 24, 2017 6:08 am

Herador wrote:
Imperializt Russia wrote:There are actually enormous technological barriers to colonising a dead planet like Mars, but OK.

Look, if Matt Damon can do it with some potatoes I'm sure we can do it too. We could easily manage to double his potato output.


Does he have Irish ancestry? That might affect his output :)
The Blaatschapen should resign

User avatar
Petrolheadia
Postmaster-General
 
Posts: 11388
Founded: May 02, 2015
Ex-Nation

Postby Petrolheadia » Sun Sep 24, 2017 6:16 am

Oil exporting People wrote:
Vassenor wrote:If a demographic cannot be bothered to breed then perhaps it's time to let it die out.


Between sub-replacement birth rates, abortion and endemic violence, American Blacks are in a pretty bad state; does this same logic apply to them?

Well, if they don't want to breed, then yes.
Capitalism, single-payer healthcare, pro-choice, LGBT rights, progressive personal taxation, low corporate tax, pro-business law, welfare for those in need.
Nazism, edgism, dogmatic statements, most of Abrahamic-derived morality (esp. as law), welfare for those not in need.
We are not Albania and I am not Albanian, FFS!
Male, gearhead, classic rock fan, gamer, agnostic.
Not sure if left-libertarian, ex-libertarian or without a damn clue.
Where you can talk about cars!
"They're always saying I'm a Capitalist pig. I suppose I am, but, ah...it ah...it's good for my drumming, I think." - Keith Moon,
If a Porsche owner treats it like a bicycle, he's a gentleman. And if he prays to it, he's simply a moron. - Jan Nowicki.

User avatar
Constitutional Technocracy of Minecraft
Minister
 
Posts: 3373
Founded: Jul 14, 2016
Ex-Nation

Postby Constitutional Technocracy of Minecraft » Sun Sep 24, 2017 8:12 am

Imperializt Russia wrote:
Constitutional Technocracy of Minecraft wrote:1. That just is there to prove my point. Also, the thing preventing us from creating a colony on Mars, for that matter, isn't technological barriers for the most part, it's mostly lack of political will. Private space companies like SpaceX and Blue Origin are far more likely to colonise Mars than NASA or CNSA.

2. Bear in mind I am planning on a STEM career in the future :P

3. If the human race, for the sake of argument, entirely shuns transhumanism, sooner or later it will destroy itself out of its own stupidity one way or another (nuclear war, climate change, antimatter weaponry, grey goo etc.) - in that hypothetical reality that would become more and more likely as technology advances

4. Ok, it's a shit argument. Doesn't change much though.

There are actually enormous technological barriers to colonising a dead planet like Mars, but OK.

Well, with our current scientific knowledge we could try and have a reasonable chance of success

User avatar
Southeastern Xiatao
Diplomat
 
Posts: 760
Founded: Feb 07, 2013
Ex-Nation

Postby Southeastern Xiatao » Sun Sep 24, 2017 3:05 pm

Diopolis wrote:
Neutraligon wrote: Screw that also great way to make it so people who enjoy having sex with their partner and who enjoy the closeness it makes have too many children. Children they cannot afford.
Already exist Seems rather illegal Screw that, make it so men are restricted instead, afterall they can raise children just as well as women.

If we want people to have many children, I'd restrict the sex that has to take long periods to recuperate from it.
In especially dire cases, like Finland, import high fertility, high skill immigrants with the promise of generous treatment from the government. Yes, this would mean importing religious fanatics, but if liberalism is true then their children will all apostatize and be secular anyway and if it isn't then we need more religious fanatics.
...please tell me you are being sarcastic.

Not at all.[/quote]
Remember Dio...

Remember, the kitchen is where the knives are. Just saying....
Left: 3.79
Authoritarian: 1.03
Foreign Policy: 0.08, in between neo-con, and non-interventionalist
Culture: -5.32, I'm very culturally liberal
Center-left

A left-wing furry who loves vaporwave, synthwave, alternate history, and science fiction

This NS member is apart of Generation Z and is proud

User avatar
Keshetar
Attaché
 
Posts: 91
Founded: Nov 06, 2014
Ex-Nation

Postby Keshetar » Sun Oct 01, 2017 8:14 pm

Iridencia wrote:There are too many damn babies in this world, not not enough. And who the hell really still cares if certain hair and skin colors disappear someday in some unforeseeable future? It's time to grow up and stop caring about that petty shit. We'll live jut fine without blonde people, we won't be nearly so fine with our resources being spread thinner and thinner.

As for your poll: How about, "Recent realization that children aren't necessary to have a fulfilling life because we're not all a bunch of peasant farmers living on the edge of survival anymore"? The only people who should be having kids are people who actually want kids, not people who feel like they have to. That causes a worse culture, not a better one.


It's not fair because blonde women turn me on a lot for one thing. What is wrong with humans having different hair and skin colors?

Previous

Advertisement

Remove ads

Return to General

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Aadhiris, Alvecia, Ancientania, Attestaltarragaby, Emotional Support Crocodile, Gesaria, HISPIDA, New-Minneapolis, Port Carverton, Roman Khilafa Al Cordoba, Simonia, Statesburg, Tungstan, Zetaopalatopia

Advertisement

Remove ads