Birth rates among Europeans / Westerners

[Bod-Tibet]

And there are plenty where women excel.

Yes there is, making it a stupid proposal.

[New haven america]

Restrict access to contraception, and ban it for married couples. Offer generous cash benefits and tax incentives for having a child, require religions to preach natalism, and restrict women in the workforce. In especially dire cases, like Finland, import high fertility, high skill immigrants with the promise of generous treatment from the government. Yes, this would mean importing religious fanatics, but if liberalism is true then their children will all apostatize and be secular anyway and if it isn't then we need more religious fanatics.

Those ideas are terrible.

[Reorganisieren Reichregierung]

There are too many damn babies in this world, not not enough. And who the hell really still cares if certain hair and skin colors disappear someday in some unforeseeable future? It's time to grow up and stop caring about that petty shit. We'll live jut fine without blonde people, we won't be nearly so fine with our resources being spread thinner and thinner.

So why not focus on slowing down the birthrate in places with high birthrates? It makes no sense to cut the birthrate of a place with already low birthrates, and too low a birthrate isn't good for a society.

[Napkiraly]

There are too many damn babies in this world, not not enough. And who the hell really still cares if certain hair and skin colors disappear someday in some unforeseeable future? It's time to grow up and stop caring about that petty shit. We'll live jut fine without blonde people, we won't be nearly so fine with our resources being spread thinner and thinner.

The birth rate is exceedingly high in the Third World.

In particular, countries like India and China.

In countries that are typically seen as part of the West, this is not the case. Birth rates are declining, rapidly.

China is below replacement level iirc. The graying of their population is a major concern, especially considering there are too many men and not enough women.

[Vassenor]

Screw that, make it so men are restricted instead, afterall they can raise children just as well as women.

Except there are plenty of industries where men excel in and form a majority, specifically physical industries like construction, mining, farming, military, etc.

Well that sounds like a sourcable claim. Is it actually the case that they excel or is it the case that the deck has been stacked in their favour by societal expectations and stereotypes?

[Reorganisieren Reichregierung]

Except there are plenty of industries where men excel in and form a majority, specifically physical industries like construction, mining, farming, military, etc.

Well that sounds like a sourcable claim. Is it actually the case that they excel or is it the case that the deck has been stacked in their favour by societal expectations and stereotypes?

Biologically, men are physically stronger than women.

[Bod-Tibet]

Well that sounds like a sourcable claim. Is it actually the case that they excel or is it the case that the deck has been stacked in their favour by societal expectations and stereotypes?

For some industries, it could be factors based on societal expectations and views on gender roles. I doubt that this is the case for many physical industries, or the military.

[Sanctissima]

The birth rate is exceedingly high in the Third World.

In particular, countries like India and China.

In countries that are typically seen as part of the West, this is not the case. Birth rates are declining, rapidly.

China is below replacement level iirc. The graying of their population is a major concern, especially considering there are too many men and not enough women.

Eh, at least when China was still under the One-Child policy, the country had a habit of... not reporting many of its births. Particularly when those births happened to be baby girls.

Lots of "late-term abortions", if you know what I mean.

[New haven america]

Well that sounds like a sourcable claim. Is it actually the case that they excel or is it the case that the deck has been stacked in their favour by societal expectations and stereotypes?

Biologically, men are physically stronger than women.

Only in the upper body, women have stronger lower bodies.

And I'm with Vass on that source part.

[Internationalist Bastard]

I am not sure I would call China third world.

Eh, in terms of actual living standard for the general population, it is.

It's more second world. My boyfriend was a rural boy but his life wasn't too much of a shithole. He had a bike, family made trips to Shanghai now and then. Not too bad

[Iridencia]

There are too many damn babies in this world, not not enough. And who the hell really still cares if certain hair and skin colors disappear someday in some unforeseeable future? It's time to grow up and stop caring about that petty shit. We'll live jut fine without blonde people, we won't be nearly so fine with our resources being spread thinner and thinner.

That's not going to work out for you.

Nah, seems like it's going to work out just fine. Pretty much anyone born with a pair of hands, legs, and a brain is able to fulfill 99% of needs.

There are too many damn babies in this world, not not enough. And who the hell really still cares if certain hair and skin colors disappear someday in some unforeseeable future? It's time to grow up and stop caring about that petty shit. We'll live jut fine without blonde people, we won't be nearly so fine with our resources being spread thinner and thinner.

The birth rate is exceedingly high in the Third World.

In particular, countries like India and China.

In countries that are typically seen as part of the West, this is not the case. Birth rates are declining, rapidly.

And?

Declining =/= Bad thing. I don't know if you've noticed, but Western countries aren't exactly itching for people to fill jobs or kids to put into foster homes. The only way you could be scared of this is from radical extrapolation - "If we go on like this, we'll all go extinct!"

[Thermodolia]

Japan's main problem is that they are unwilling to procreate with anyone other than those of pure Japanese heritage. And then you have the problem that the current generation of Japanese people don't want to have kids. Makes for some fun problems l. Though Japan will probably be the first to invent cloning and just clone themselves

[Neutraligon]

Eh, in terms of actual living standard for the general population, it is.

It's more second world. My boyfriend was a rural boy but his life wasn't too much of a shithole. He had a bike, family made trips to Shanghai now and then. Not too bad

I didn't live there for extended periods of time, but while I was there, even in the parts far away from Beijing, there where things like running water and electricity. That is a claim I cannot make for places in Africa.

[Iridencia]

Japan's main problem is that they are unwilling to procreate with anyone other than those of pure Japanese heritage. And then you have the problem that the current generation of Japanese people don't want to have kids. Makes for some fun problems l. Though Japan will probably be the first to invent cloning and just clone themselves

I don't put it past Japan to start cloning their society. Not one bit.

[Internationalist Bastard]

Japan's main problem is that they are unwilling to procreate with anyone other than those of pure Japanese heritage. And then you have the problem that the current generation of Japanese people don't want to have kids. Makes for some fun problems l. Though Japan will probably be the first to invent cloning and just clone themselves

And then they'll make anime real, and we can all leave our loved ones for our waifus

[Thermodolia]

There are too many damn babies in this world, not not enough. And who the hell really still cares if certain hair and skin colors disappear someday in some unforeseeable future? It's time to grow up and stop caring about that petty shit. We'll live jut fine without blonde people, we won't be nearly so fine with our resources being spread thinner and thinner.

The birth rate is exceedingly high in the Third World.

In particular, countries like India and China.

In countries that are typically seen as part of the West, this is not the case. Birth rates are declining, rapidly.

The US birth rate is at replacement levels. As is the French I believe, though they French will fuck anything if you let them

[New haven america]

Japan's main problem is that they are unwilling to procreate with anyone other than those of pure Japanese heritage. And then you have the problem that the current generation of Japanese people don't want to have kids. Makes for some fun problems l. Though Japan will probably be the first to invent cloning and just clone themselves

Don't forget about historically strict immigration basically keeping people from other parts of the world out of the country. (Though, they have recently loosened the requirements)

[Internationalist Bastard]

It's more second world. My boyfriend was a rural boy but his life wasn't too much of a shithole. He had a bike, family made trips to Shanghai now and then. Not too bad

I didn't live there for extended periods of time, but while I was there, even in the parts far away from Beijing, there where things like running water and electricity. That is a claim I cannot make for places in Africa.

Yeah, its more, "make a trip to see a good doctor" bad then third world

[Sanctissima]

The birth rate is exceedingly high in the Third World.

In particular, countries like India and China.

In countries that are typically seen as part of the West, this is not the case. Birth rates are declining, rapidly.

And?

Declining =/= Bad thing. I don't know if you've noticed, but Western countries aren't exactly itching for people to fill jobs or kids to put into foster homes. The only way you could be scared of this is from radical extrapolation - "If we go on like this, we'll all go extinct!"

Yeah... I'd rather avoid the inherent problems of living in a country with a major age-based demographic gap, thank you very much.

[New haven america]

There are too many damn babies in this world, not not enough. And who the hell really still cares if certain hair and skin colors disappear someday in some unforeseeable future? It's time to grow up and stop caring about that petty shit. We'll live jut fine without blonde people, we won't be nearly so fine with our resources being spread thinner and thinner.

The birth rate is exceedingly high in the Third World.

In particular, countries like India and China.

In countries that are typically seen as part of the West, this is not the case. Birth rates are declining, rapidly.

China and India have such high birthrates and populations because of geography.

Basically speaking, their population epicenters are in the perfect place for humans to live.

[Sanctissima]

The birth rate is exceedingly high in the Third World.

In particular, countries like India and China.

In countries that are typically seen as part of the West, this is not the case. Birth rates are declining, rapidly.

China and India have such high birthrates and populations because of geography.

Basically speaking, their population epicenters are in the perfect place for humans to live.

And Western Europe doesn't?

It's quite a deal more complicated than basic geography.

[Thermodolia]

The birth rate is exceedingly high in the Third World.

In particular, countries like India and China.

In countries that are typically seen as part of the West, this is not the case. Birth rates are declining, rapidly.

China and India have such high birthrates and populations because of geography.

Basically speaking, their population epicenters are in the perfect place for humans to live.

Um no China doesn't have high birth rates

[New haven america]

China and India have such high birthrates and populations because of geography.

Basically speaking, their population epicenters are in the perfect place for humans to live.

Um no China doesn't have high birth rates

India however, does.

[Napkiraly]

The birth rate is exceedingly high in the Third World.

In particular, countries like India and China.

In countries that are typically seen as part of the West, this is not the case. Birth rates are declining, rapidly.

The US birth rate is at replacement levels. As is the French I believe, though they French will fuck anything if you let them

France is now below replacement level as is the USA iirc.

[Diopolis]

The birth rate is exceedingly high in the Third World.

In particular, countries like India and China.

In countries that are typically seen as part of the West, this is not the case. Birth rates are declining, rapidly.

I am not sure I would call China third world.

It doesn't have a high birthrate either.