Morgan Freeman: “Join the Good Fight”

[Cedoria]

Not really. I think it's vaguely funny.

But I'd need detailed proof that Russia is giving him marching orders to believe he's a puppet. Did they try to get him elected? I think there's evidence to say they undeniably did. That doesn't make him a puppet.

The US complaining about interference in the process of democratic elections is however a delicious sense of irony, especially since so few of them know that it already happened to America back in 1968.

They don't have to give marching orders. They just have to stroke his ego like an erectiom and he's more than ready to spill classified information to try and impress them.

True, but that doesn't make him a puppet. It makes him an idiot.

Puppet has a very specific meaning. I see no proof that Trump fits that definition. And honestly, there's far more disastrous qualities he brings to the table then that even if it were true...

[Shazbotdom]

Actually, a vote for Libertarians means that you are sick of both Democrats and Republicans. You claiming otherwise would be failed logic and is rather laughable.

And when a Democrat or Republican wins office regardless, all the vote really says is "I'm an edgy hipster, toss me a can of PBR!"

1: I hate PBR. I prefer Magners.
2: I am not a hipster.
3: I have been voting Libertarian for nearly 14 years.

[The Lone Alliance]

So the US intelligence agencies claimed Russia hacked the actual voting machines? News to me.

Or does Russia secretly have Yuri on his side?

A psychic Amplifer COULD be a good way to explain how Trump won.... Maybe we should search all the various Trump towers to see if there's any unknown machinery... or giant tuning forks.
(Hey people believed in Pizzagate)

Here we go again with the straw Russia Haxx Da Votes meme.

That's my definition of "destabilizing Democracy" or "Destroyed Democracy"

Now I truly wouldn't be surprised if Russia DID in fact hack voting machines, it sounds like something they would do, but we still don't have proof... yet... (For all we know the Russia probe could actually find something like that)

Let's pretend political espionage combined with a vast troll propaganda offensive don't count as meddling in a country's election.

And Super Pacs, donations, celeb endorsements, and all the other people don't count as meddling?

Because Russia has a better space travel safety record than the US, just in pure 'what percentage of manned space missions failed and killed all aboard' terms.

Would you buy "Tigers" from the Nazis as well?

Supposedly the US bought some PaK 36s from the Nazis... and then used them to make their own AT guns... that they later used to kill Nazis with.

[Shofercia]

Sigh... the problem is that Russia has become a nice way to explain away every fuck up the Democratic party made in 2016 as a way to hide from their own faults... which shows they lack self awareness and are heading in the direction of the Republican party... that isn't good.

And that's the real issue.

Repeat that to there other side as well. "But Hillary..." "But Obama..."

But none of them want to tell Trump to get over Hillary.

She's the only losing candidate in history to be treated by both sides worse than actual traitors to the country. Demands to accept sole blame, demands to shut the fuck up, demands to flagellate herself like a Filipino Catholic... I'm surprised nobody demanded she kill herself as repentance.

Accept sole blame? Shut the fuck up? Flagellate herself? I'm a bit confused as to who made the flagellation demand, is there a source for that?

I'm all for fighting a hegemonic terror organisation, just preferably not under the banner of another hegemonic terror organisation.

While it is without doubt that Russia (and China) are, indeed, terror sponsoring states the same could not be said about the US. Personally, I'd rather die under a US Hegemony than a Russian or Chinese one, any day of the week. And I know that most people will agree with me.

Most people in your imagination?

Because Russia didn't attack the US (not militarily: if they did, various American cities would be trinitite right now), because Russia didn't start placing bases and installing puppet governments in the countries bordering America, and because if you drop diplomacy against someone who's got all of those nukes, you're going to pay a heavy price.

I never said to start a nuclear war, just not to let Russia destabilize the US, destroy democratic institutions, and not let them become the new world policeman.

You quoted an actor, who thinks he's a Diety, calling for war with Russia, which could go nuclear. Do you not read your own sources?

No, I as a Dutchman have nothing to win or loose over either Russia or America. I feel no affiliation with either country.

Russian just drove a knife through the gut of the foundations of Western democracy. I'd say this is pretty much relevant to everyone.

Russia can do that? Damn, Russia is quite powerful. If that's true, why aren't you cowering in fear?

Voted for Gary Johnson. So I guess it's not a given, is it, Sharania?

At the end of the day you either vote Democrat or you're supporting the Republicans.

Debate all you want, it's something that should be had but when election day comes and you're not putting D on your ballot then you're effective one of them.

Ahh yes, you're either with us or against us. Is that what the DNC is becoming? McCarthyist? Or is it just you, all by your lonesome, Sharania.

Nah, I rather like Kaspersky.

Sure, standard kit for the field operatives - right?

Available at Best Buy, the Russian Superstore in the US /sarcasm

Cause Congress won't fund NASA properly, and Congressional Stupidity is also Russia's fault, apparently.

Given the collusion between the Reps and Russians I'm not to rule that out.

Freeman said "war" - how do you think that's going to go with Russia? Do you think the US will be bombed with puppies and kittens?

Because we should just give into the likes of Putin, who's intent on destabilizing any power capable of countering him with any effectiveness? That's your plan?

I had no idea Putin can do that. Does Putin have an idea that he can do that?

Sure: http://exiledonline.com/anne-applebaum-is-a-dingbat/

In that exhibit Anne Applebaum says that Muslims will tear Europe apart.

https://marknesop.wordpress.com/2011/01 ... applebaum/

In that exhibit, Anne Applebaum predicts that when oil prices go down, Russia will be more complacent with the West. Shall I keep going?

- A fringe loon that some fringe people consider a journalist

and

- a Toxic pro-Putin blog.

That's all you've got? How pathetic.

They quote Anne Applebaum, directly, saying those exact things. I was just wondering if you'd actually read the sources... and you didn't. Oh, and they're actually not as you describe them, but if most in the DNC are McCarthyist, we're not talking about reality anymore, so perhaps they are.

Sigh... the problem is that Russia has become a nice way to explain away every fuck up the Democratic party made in 2016 as a way to hide from their own faults... which shows they lack self awareness and are heading in the direction of the Republican party... that isn't good.

Yeah, but the reason Russia is considered a "a nice way to explain away every fuck up" (as you claim) is because, oh hey, they're attempting to destabilize our democracy RIGHT NOW.

What does more damage to Democracy?

> Leaked documents
> Claims that Democracy can be destroyed by an outsider

[Shofercia]

Yeah, but the reason Russia is considered a "a nice way to explain away every fuck up" (as you claim) is because, oh hey, they're attempting to destabilize our democracy RIGHT NOW.

Also, the U.S. intelligence agencies are apparently just a bunch of butthurt liberal SJWs.

Did you find all those WMDs in Iraq? Would it be bad if I say that Clinton voted in favor of the Iraq War?

Even if we grant that Russian intervention 'caused' the election of Trump - something the Russophobe panic-mongers have no proof of

- "Russophobe" is just RT word for "anyone who dislikes Putin's Regime"

Like Risotia, oh wait. He's a Russophile who dislikes Putin's Regime. Let's see here, if roughly 70% of Russian Speakers liked Putin's Regime and Roughly 90% of Russian Speakers were Russophiles, how many of that cross sections of Russophiles dislike Putin's Regime? 90-70=20%. And judging by the fact that there are over 260 million Russian Speakers... that would mean that there are at least 52 million Russophiles who don't like Putin's Regime. And that's just among the Russian Speakers.

- As for the proof - I already linked it.

I don't think that you understand what the term "proof" means.

and cannot have proof of, as it's essentially falsifiable, and even if we grant Trump is an appeaser (something that is blatantly not true), to claim Trump is a Russian puppet you need to show that the Russians are giving him detailed marching orders.

Read it: Putin’s real long game.

The world order we know is already over, and Russia is moving fast to grab the advantage. Can Trump figure out the new war in time to win it?

Wait, but didn't you claim that Trump was a Putin puppet? If so, why would he figure out how to win against Putin? Did you think that through?

A little over a year ago, on a pleasant late fall evening, I was sitting on my front porch with a friend best described as a Ukrainian freedom fighter. He was smoking a cigarette while we watched Southeast DC hipsters bustle by and talked about ‘the war’ — the big war, being waged by Russia against all of us, which from this porch felt very far away. I can’t remember what prompted it — some discussion of whether the government in Kyiv was doing something that would piss off the EU — but he took a long drag off his cigarette and said, offhand: “Russia. The EU. It's all just more Molotov-Ribbentrop shit.”

His casual reference to the Hitler-Stalin pact dividing Eastern Europe before WWII was meant as a reminder that Ukraine must decide its future for itself, rather than let it be negotiated between great powers. But it haunted me, this idea that modern revolutionaries no longer felt some special affinity with the West. Was it the belief in collective defense that was weakening, or the underlying certitude that Western values would prevail?

Ukraine must be independent! West, please gib moneyz for the Oligarchs, they can only afford 3 mansions apiece. Morgan Freeman might have 4!

[Shofercia]

The US buys oil from the Saudis, who are literally carrying out an explicit campaign of actual genocide. Nothing the Russians did even begins to stack up to what the Saudis are doing in Yemen with US aid.

- Chechnya.
- Georgia.
- Ukraine.
- Syria.

You do realize that you just proved his point, right? Probably not.

Compared to that, buying civilian products from a country that is not, in fact, keeping 20 million people in starvation and explicitly targeting civilians for mass-murder seems like an epic act of moral triumph.

Paying them money allows Putin to build more tanks, planes and rockets to use in his future aggression.

"People must be starved in order to enforce Human Rights" - Sharania

So the US intelligence agencies claimed Russia hacked the actual voting machines? News to me.

Or does Russia secretly have Yuri on his side?

A psychic Amplifer COULD be a good way to explain how Trump won.... Maybe we should search all the various Trump towers to see if there's any unknown machinery... or giant tuning forks.
(Hey people believed in Pizzagate)

Here we go again with the straw Russia Haxx Da Votes meme.

Let's pretend political espionage combined with a vast troll propaganda offensive don't count as meddling in a country's election.

If Russia could successfully meddle in the US Election on Obama's watch, what does that say about the DNC?

Actually, a vote for Libertarians means that you are sick of both Democrats and Republicans. You claiming otherwise would be failed logic and is rather laughable.

And when a Democrat or Republican wins office regardless, all the vote really says is "I'm an edgy hipster, toss me a can of PBR!"

Seriously? You think Libertarians drink that crap?

And when a Democrat or Republican wins office regardless, all the vote really says is "I'm an edgy hipster, toss me a can of PBR!"

1: I hate PBR. I prefer Magners.
2: I am not a hipster.
3: I have been voting Libertarian for nearly 14 years.

I knew Libertarians don't drink that crap.

[Minoa]

Coming to http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-41348749

With all due to respect, I cannot pick sides or try to “fight a good fight” on that side, when I am already fighting with my own mental health, for my very own existence.

As much as I want the world to improve … well, my personal circumstances don't allow it.

So, what - you would take the current Russian government over the US?

It would be ridiculous to assume that people who don't take up on Freeman’s beliefs are pro-Russia. The real problem is that US-Russian relations are very complicated: this is why many people are playing careful not to let it get out of control.

In my case, political activism and very poor mental health don't mix.

[Thermodolia]

Voted for Gary Johnson. So I guess it's not a given, is it, Sharania?

At the end of the day you either vote Democrat or you're supporting the Republicans.

Debate all you want, it's something that should be had but when election day comes and you're not putting D on your ballot then you're effective one of them.

This your either with or against us mentality isn't going to win you any friends. We are all Americans we should be united against threats to our way of live. Threats like the Russians, North Koreans, Chinese, and radical Islamic terror.

[Allanea]

While it is without doubt that Russia (and China) are, indeed, terror sponsoring states the same could not be said about the US

Why couldn't it be said about the US? Does not the US work with a variety of dubious groups, starting with the government of Saudi Arabia?

[Shofercia]

While it is without doubt that Russia (and China) are, indeed, terror sponsoring states the same could not be said about the US

Why couldn't it be said about the US? Does not the US work with a variety of dubious groups, starting with the government of Saudi Arabia?

Are you claiming that Saudi Arabia supports terror?!

That's just Qatari Propaganda! /sarcasm

[The of Japan]

Why couldn't it be said about the US? Does not the US work with a variety of dubious groups, starting with the government of Saudi Arabia?

Are you claiming that Saudi Arabia supports terror?!

That's just Qatari Propaganda! /sarcasm

Iran, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, the whole lot back terrorism worldwide, with Iran being the main one.

[Shofercia]

Are you claiming that Saudi Arabia supports terror?!

That's just Qatari Propaganda! /sarcasm

Iran, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, the whole lot back terrorism worldwide, with Iran being the main one.

Judging by what's happening in Yemen, I respectfully disagree.

[The of Japan]

Iran, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, the whole lot back terrorism worldwide, with Iran being the main one.

Judging by what's happening in Yemen, I respectfully disagree.

So the world recognized (except iran) Yemeni government are terrorists? aren't iran DIRECTLY backing with weapons and lots of money both Hezbollah and Hamas?

[Shofercia]

Judging by what's happening in Yemen, I respectfully disagree.

So the world recognized (except iran) Yemeni government are terrorists? aren't iran DIRECTLY backing with weapons and lots of money both Hezbollah and Hamas?

Hezbollah didn't create a Human Rights Catastrophe in Lebanon.

https://www.theguardian.com/global-deve ... war-abuses

The UN human rights council has verified the deaths of more than 5,000 civilians since the outbreak of war in March 2015, although the actual number is likely to be significantly higher. The conflict has devastated Yemen’s infrastructure and economy, leaving at least 8,719 people wounded, 7 million on the brink of famine, and an estimated 540,000 suffering from cholera. In a letter addressed to the UN human rights council, a coalition of 62 NGOs warned that serious violations of international humanitarian and human rights law are being committed with impunity.

“The Saudi Arabia-led coalition has conducted scores of unlawful airstrikes … that have killed thousands of civilians and hit schools, hospitals, markets, and homes. The Houthi armed group and forces loyal to former president Ali Abdullah Saleh have fired weapons indiscriminately into populated areas in Yemen and southern Saudi Arabia and used explosive weapons with wide-scale effects,” wrote the signatories to the letter. Parties to the conflict are also recruiting child soldiers, preventing the delivery of aid and harassing activists and journalists, said the NGOs.

That's the classic case of terrorizing the population.

[The of Japan]

So the world recognized (except iran) Yemeni government are terrorists? aren't iran DIRECTLY backing with weapons and lots of money both Hezbollah and Hamas?

Hezbollah didn't create a Human Rights Catastrophe in Lebanon.

https://www.theguardian.com/global-deve ... war-abuses

The UN human rights council has verified the deaths of more than 5,000 civilians since the outbreak of war in March 2015, although the actual number is likely to be significantly higher. The conflict has devastated Yemen’s infrastructure and economy, leaving at least 8,719 people wounded, 7 million on the brink of famine, and an estimated 540,000 suffering from cholera. In a letter addressed to the UN human rights council, a coalition of 62 NGOs warned that serious violations of international humanitarian and human rights law are being committed with impunity.

“The Saudi Arabia-led coalition has conducted scores of unlawful airstrikes … that have killed thousands of civilians and hit schools, hospitals, markets, and homes. The Houthi armed group and forces loyal to former president Ali Abdullah Saleh have fired weapons indiscriminately into populated areas in Yemen and southern Saudi Arabia and used explosive weapons with wide-scale effects,” wrote the signatories to the letter. Parties to the conflict are also recruiting child soldiers, preventing the delivery of aid and harassing activists and journalists, said the NGOs.

That's the classic case of terrorizing the population.

your beloved Russia has also killed many civillians in Syria, and you didn't have any problem with that.

[Shofercia]

Hezbollah didn't create a Human Rights Catastrophe in Lebanon.

https://www.theguardian.com/global-deve ... war-abuses



That's the classic case of terrorizing the population.

your beloved Russia has also killed many civillians in Syria, and you didn't have any problem with that.

Unfortunately civilians are killed in warfare. But what doesn't usually happen, is that 500 thousand people end up with cholera, and 7 million are placed on the brink of starvation. That's a quarter of Yemen's population. On the brink of starvation. That's fucking scary. The very fact that this can happen today, when food is readily available, makes the situation even worse. That's basically saying that a Yemeni's life ain't worth $5.

[The of Japan]

your beloved Russia has also killed many civillians in Syria, and you didn't have any problem with that.

Unfortunately civilians are killed in warfare. But what doesn't usually happen, is that 500 thousand people end up with cholera, and 7 million are placed on the brink of starvation. That's a quarter of Yemen's population. On the brink of starvation. That's fucking scary. The very fact that this can happen today, when food is readily available, makes the situation even worse. That's basically saying that a Yemeni's life ain't worth $5.

iran did support the houthi rebels again st the Yemeni government

[Shofercia]

Unfortunately civilians are killed in warfare. But what doesn't usually happen, is that 500 thousand people end up with cholera, and 7 million are placed on the brink of starvation. That's a quarter of Yemen's population. On the brink of starvation. That's fucking scary. The very fact that this can happen today, when food is readily available, makes the situation even worse. That's basically saying that a Yemeni's life ain't worth $5.

iran did support the houthi rebels again st the Yemeni government

So now it's ok for Saudi Arabia to starve them?

[The of Japan]

iran did support the houthi rebels again st the Yemeni government

So now it's ok for Saudi Arabia to starve them?

is Saudi arabia blocking food from getting to Yemenis?

[Shofercia]

So now it's ok for Saudi Arabia to starve them?

is Saudi arabia blocking food from getting to Yemenis?

https://www.vox.com/world/2017/6/27/158 ... manitarian

the Saudis, whose jets have repeatedly bombed hospitals and whose warships have stopped numerous aid shipments from groups like Save the Children, deserve a huge share of the blame... Saudi Arabia and its allies have imposed a blockade on imports to Yemen both overseas and via air, only allowing the food and medicine they decide to let in. This blockade, combined with bombing raids targeting civilian infrastructure, is the key reason why the humanitarian situation is so dire.

“The unwarranted restrictions on the flow of commercial and humanitarian goods and services into Yemen and impeding distribution within the country are paralyzing a nation that for far too long has been a victim of war,” Idriss Jazairy, the UN special rapporteur on human rights and international sanctions, said in an April statement. The cholera outbreak is an especially clear and grim example. Cholera is spread through dirty water; in January of last year, Saudi jets blew up the desalination plant serving the large city of Taiz, forcing people to turn to dirtier water. Cholera is fairly easy to treat with antibiotics; the Saudi blockade ensures that there’s a shortage, allowing the disease to spread.

[The of Japan]

is Saudi arabia blocking food from getting to Yemenis?

https://www.vox.com/world/2017/6/27/158 ... manitarian

the Saudis, whose jets have repeatedly bombed hospitals and whose warships have stopped numerous aid shipments from groups like Save the Children, deserve a huge share of the blame... Saudi Arabia and its allies have imposed a blockade on imports to Yemen both overseas and via air, only allowing the food and medicine they decide to let in. This blockade, combined with bombing raids targeting civilian infrastructure, is the key reason why the humanitarian situation is so dire.

“The unwarranted restrictions on the flow of commercial and humanitarian goods and services into Yemen and impeding distribution within the country are paralyzing a nation that for far too long has been a victim of war,” Idriss Jazairy, the UN special rapporteur on human rights and international sanctions, said in an April statement. The cholera outbreak is an especially clear and grim example. Cholera is spread through dirty water; in January of last year, Saudi jets blew up the desalination plant serving the large city of Taiz, forcing people to turn to dirtier water. Cholera is fairly easy to treat with antibiotics; the Saudi blockade ensures that there’s a shortage, allowing the disease to spread.

other than vox?

[Shofercia]

https://www.vox.com/world/2017/6/27/158 ... manitarian

other than vox?

The article quoted a UN Special Rapporteur, whom I cited.

[Senkaku]

Unfortunately civilians are killed in warfare. But what doesn't usually happen, is that 500 thousand people end up with cholera, and 7 million are placed on the brink of starvation. That's a quarter of Yemen's population. On the brink of starvation. That's fucking scary. The very fact that this can happen today, when food is readily available, makes the situation even worse. That's basically saying that a Yemeni's life ain't worth $5.

iran did support the houthi rebels again st the Yemeni government

And the Saudis have responded by systematically pulverizing vital infrastructure, health facilities, and civilian populations from the air, rather like the Russians have been doing to Syria.

[Soviet-mongol]

Yes, but I'm asking about ordinary people. What can WE do?

Invest a lot of money in the econimies of Georgia and Ukraine.

[Empire of Narnia]

Let's all have a second cold war!