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[Allanea]

How do you call an appeaser who was elected thanks to the foreign intervention?

I don't think you understand what a 'puppet' is.

Even if we grant that Russian intervention 'caused' the election of Trump - something the Russophobe panic-mongers have no proof of, and cannot have proof of, as it's essentially falsifiable, and even if we grant Trump is an appeaser (something that is blatantly not true), to claim Trump is a Russian puppet you need to show that the Russians are giving him detailed marching orders.

[Sharania]

Because Russia has a better space travel safety record than the US, just in pure 'what percentage of manned space missions failed and killed all aboard' terms.

Would you buy "Tigers" from the Nazis as well?

[Sharania]

No, I as a Dutchman have nothing to win or loose over either Russia or America. I feel no affiliation with either country.

Russian just drove a knife through the gut of the foundations of Western democracy. I'd say this is pretty much relevant to everyone.

[Allanea]

Because Russia has a better space travel safety record than the US, just in pure 'what percentage of manned space missions failed and killed all aboard' terms.

Would you buy "Tigers" from the Nazis as well?

The US buys oil from the Saudis, who are literally carrying out an explicit campaign of actual genocide. Nothing the Russians did even begins to stack up to what the Saudis are doing in Yemen with US aid.

Compared to that, buying civilian products from a country that is not, in fact, keeping 20 million people in starvation and explicitly targeting civilians for mass-murder seems like an epic act of moral triumph.

[Sharania]

Voted for Gary Johnson. So I guess it's not a given, is it, Sharania?

At the end of the day you either vote Democrat or you're supporting the Republicans.

Debate all you want, it's something that should be had but when election day comes and you're not putting D on your ballot then you're effective one of them.

Nah, I rather like Kaspersky.

Sure, standard kit for the field operatives - right?

Cause Congress won't fund NASA properly, and Congressional Stupidity is also Russia's fault, apparently.

Given the collusion between the Reps and Russians I'm not to rule that out.

[The Lone Alliance]

No, I as a Dutchman have nothing to win or loose over either Russia or America. I feel no affiliation with either country.

Russian just drove a knife through the gut of the foundations of Western democracy. I'd say this is pretty much relevant to everyone.

How did they do that?

How did airing the DNC's dirty laundry destroy Democracy?

Knowledge should be free.

[Sharania]

Freeman said "war" - how do you think that's going to go with Russia? Do you think the US will be bombed with puppies and kittens?

Because we should just give into the likes of Putin, who's intent on destabilizing any power capable of countering him with any effectiveness? That's your plan?

[Sharania]

Sure: http://exiledonline.com/anne-applebaum-is-a-dingbat/

In that exhibit Anne Applebaum says that Muslims will tear Europe apart.

https://marknesop.wordpress.com/2011/01 ... applebaum/

In that exhibit, Anne Applebaum predicts that when oil prices go down, Russia will be more complacent with the West. Shall I keep going?

- A fringe loon that some fringe people consider a journalist

and

- a Toxic pro-Putin blog.

That's all you've got? How pathetic.

[Sharania]

Sigh... the problem is that Russia has become a nice way to explain away every fuck up the Democratic party made in 2016 as a way to hide from their own faults... which shows they lack self awareness and are heading in the direction of the Republican party... that isn't good.

Yeah, but the reason Russia is considered a "a nice way to explain away every fuck up" (as you claim) is because, oh hey, they're attempting to destabilize our democracy RIGHT NOW.

[Allanea]

Sure: http://exiledonline.com/anne-applebaum-is-a-dingbat/

In that exhibit Anne Applebaum says that Muslims will tear Europe apart.

https://marknesop.wordpress.com/2011/01 ... applebaum/

In that exhibit, Anne Applebaum predicts that when oil prices go down, Russia will be more complacent with the West. Shall I keep going?

- A fringe loon that some fringe people consider a journalist

and

- a Toxic pro-Putin blog.

That's all you've got? How pathetic.

Here is her actual bigoted article in the Washington Post.

[Gauthier]

Sigh... the problem is that Russia has become a nice way to explain away every fuck up the Democratic party made in 2016 as a way to hide from their own faults... which shows they lack self awareness and are heading in the direction of the Republican party... that isn't good.

Yeah, but the reason Russia is considered a "a nice way to explain away every fuck up" (as you claim) is because, oh hey, they're attempting to destabilize our democracy RIGHT NOW.

Also, the U.S. intelligence agencies are apparently just a bunch of butthurt liberal SJWs.

[The Lone Alliance]

Sigh... the problem is that Russia has become a nice way to explain away every fuck up the Democratic party made in 2016 as a way to hide from their own faults... which shows they lack self awareness and are heading in the direction of the Republican party... that isn't good.

Yeah, but the reason Russia is considered a "a nice way to explain away every fuck up" (as you claim) is because, oh hey, they're attempting to destabilize our democracy RIGHT NOW.

How was Democracy destabilized? From what I remember the election still happened.

No one provided any evidence of votes getting hacked and that's the only way democracy could have been destabilized.

Yeah, but the reason Russia is considered a "a nice way to explain away every fuck up" (as you claim) is because, oh hey, they're attempting to destabilize our democracy RIGHT NOW.

Also, the U.S. intelligence agencies are apparently just a bunch of butthurt liberal SJWs.

So the US intelligence agencies claimed Russia hacked the actual voting machines? News to me.

Or does Russia secretly have Yuri on his side?

A psychic Amplifer COULD be a good way to explain how Trump won.... Maybe we should search all the various Trump towers to see if there's any unknown machinery... or giant tuning forks.
(Hey people believed in Pizzagate)

[Sharania]

Even if we grant that Russian intervention 'caused' the election of Trump - something the Russophobe panic-mongers have no proof of

- "Russophobe" is just RT word for "anyone who dislikes Putin's Regime"

- As for the proof - I already linked it.

and cannot have proof of, as it's essentially falsifiable, and even if we grant Trump is an appeaser (something that is blatantly not true), to claim Trump is a Russian puppet you need to show that the Russians are giving him detailed marching orders.

Read it: Putin’s real long game.

The world order we know is already over, and Russia is moving fast to grab the advantage. Can Trump figure out the new war in time to win it?

A little over a year ago, on a pleasant late fall evening, I was sitting on my front porch with a friend best described as a Ukrainian freedom fighter. He was smoking a cigarette while we watched Southeast DC hipsters bustle by and talked about ‘the war’ — the big war, being waged by Russia against all of us, which from this porch felt very far away. I can’t remember what prompted it — some discussion of whether the government in Kyiv was doing something that would piss off the EU — but he took a long drag off his cigarette and said, offhand: “Russia. The EU. It's all just more Molotov-Ribbentrop shit.”

His casual reference to the Hitler-Stalin pact dividing Eastern Europe before WWII was meant as a reminder that Ukraine must decide its future for itself, rather than let it be negotiated between great powers. But it haunted me, this idea that modern revolutionaries no longer felt some special affinity with the West. Was it the belief in collective defense that was weakening, or the underlying certitude that Western values would prevail?

[Sharania]

The US buys oil from the Saudis, who are literally carrying out an explicit campaign of actual genocide. Nothing the Russians did even begins to stack up to what the Saudis are doing in Yemen with US aid.

- Chechnya.
- Georgia.
- Ukraine.
- Syria.

Compared to that, buying civilian products from a country that is not, in fact, keeping 20 million people in starvation and explicitly targeting civilians for mass-murder seems like an epic act of moral triumph.

Paying them money allows Putin to build more tanks, planes and rockets to use in his future aggression.

[Minoa]

Coming from: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-41348749

With all due to respect, I cannot pick sides or try to “fight a good fight” on that side, when I am already fighting with my own mental health, for my very own survival.

As much as I want the world to improve … well, my personal circumstances don't allow it.

[Allanea]

The US buys oil from the Saudis, who are literally carrying out an explicit campaign of actual genocide. Nothing the Russians did even begins to stack up to what the Saudis are doing in Yemen with US aid.

- Chechnya.
- Georgia.
- Ukraine.
- Syria.

And none of these reach the scope of what's happening in Yemen.

http://www.manilatimes.net/yemens-odd-w ... er/351820/

[Sharania]

Coming to http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-41348749

With all due to respect, I cannot pick sides or try to “fight a good fight” on that side, when I am already fighting with my own mental health, for my very own existence.

As much as I want the world to improve … well, my personal circumstances don't allow it.

So, what - you would take the current Russian government over the US?

'Cause those are the options for the world right now. The US can unfuck itself it three years, but Putin and his Regime plus China, plus Iran, plus Norks... They won't become "nice" to the world.

As for the article - I expected something like that from a nation overwhelming supporting nationalism, racism and bigotry.

[Shazbotdom]

Voted for Gary Johnson. So I guess it's not a given, is it, Sharania?

At the end of the day you either vote Democrat or you're supporting the Republicans.

Actually, a vote for Libertarians means that you are sick of both Democrats and Republicans. You claiming otherwise would be failed logic and is rather laughable.

[Gauthier]

Also, the U.S. intelligence agencies are apparently just a bunch of butthurt liberal SJWs.

So the US intelligence agencies claimed Russia hacked the actual voting machines? News to me.

Or does Russia secretly have Yuri on his side?

A psychic Amplifer COULD be a good way to explain how Trump won.... Maybe we should search all the various Trump towers to see if there's any unknown machinery... or giant tuning forks.
(Hey people believed in Pizzagate)

Here we go again with the straw Russia Haxx Da Votes meme.

Let's pretend political espionage combined with a vast troll propaganda offensive don't count as meddling in a country's election.

[Allanea]

So the US intelligence agencies claimed Russia hacked the actual voting machines? News to me.

Or does Russia secretly have Yuri on his side?

A psychic Amplifer COULD be a good way to explain how Trump won.... Maybe we should search all the various Trump towers to see if there's any unknown machinery... or giant tuning forks.
(Hey people believed in Pizzagate)

Here we go again with the straw Russia Haxx Da Votes meme.

Let's pretend political espionage combined with a vast troll propaganda offensive don't count as meddling in a country's election.

It does not, however, count as 'destroying democracy'.

[Gauthier]

At the end of the day you either vote Democrat or you're supporting the Republicans.

Actually, a vote for Libertarians means that you are sick of both Democrats and Republicans. You claiming otherwise would be failed logic and is rather laughable.

And when a Democrat or Republican wins office regardless, all the vote really says is "I'm an edgy hipster, toss me a can of PBR!"

[Cedoria]

I'm all for fighting a hegemonic terror organisation, just preferably not under the banner of another hegemonic terror organisation.

While it is without doubt that Russia (and China) are, indeed, terror sponsoring states the same could not be said about the US. Personally, I'd rather die under a US Hegemony than a Russian or Chinese one, any day of the week. And I know that most people will agree with me.

How do you know that if you haven't asked them.

[Cedoria]

No, I as a Dutchman have nothing to win or loose over either Russia or America. I feel no affiliation with either country.

Russian just drove a knife through the gut of the foundations of Western democracy. I'd say this is pretty much relevant to everyone.

Not really. I think it's vaguely funny.

But I'd need detailed proof that Russia is giving him marching orders to believe he's a puppet. Did they try to get him elected? I think there's evidence to say they undeniably did. That doesn't make him a puppet.

The US complaining about interference in the process of democratic elections is however a delicious sense of irony, especially since so few of them know that it already happened to America back in 1968.

[Cedoria]

Coming to http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-41348749

With all due to respect, I cannot pick sides or try to “fight a good fight” on that side, when I am already fighting with my own mental health, for my very own existence.

As much as I want the world to improve … well, my personal circumstances don't allow it.

So, what - you would take the current Russian government over the US?

'Cause those are the options for the world right now. The US can unfuck itself it three years, but Putin and his Regime plus China, plus Iran, plus Norks... They won't become "nice" to the world.

As for the article - I expected something like that from a nation overwhelming supporting nationalism, racism and bigotry.

Not really. Putin doesn't really have the power or resources to act like a hegemon. In fact Russia would barely be a third-rate power without it's nuclear weapons.

It's got long-term infrastructure and demographic issues, which are going to get worse, not better. Russia in the long-term is a power declining, not rising.

Hysteria about it fails to recognise this essential point.

[Gauthier]

Russian just drove a knife through the gut of the foundations of Western democracy. I'd say this is pretty much relevant to everyone.

Not really. I think it's vaguely funny.

But I'd need detailed proof that Russia is giving him marching orders to believe he's a puppet. Did they try to get him elected? I think there's evidence to say they undeniably did. That doesn't make him a puppet.

The US complaining about interference in the process of democratic elections is however a delicious sense of irony, especially since so few of them know that it already happened to America back in 1968.

They don't have to give him marching orders. They just have to stroke his ego like an erection and he's more than ready to spill classified information to try and impress them.