Morgan Freeman: “Join the Good Fight”

[Shofercia]

Morgan Freeman says: "Join the fight against Russia."

"For 241 years, our democracy has been a shining example to the world of what we can all aspire to. And we owe to the brave people who have fought and died this great nation and save democracy. And we owe it to our future generations to continue the fight."

Found it via the Commitee to Investigate Russia.

I've always thought that Morgan Freeman was a great actor. That he had integrity. He IS a great man as well and it shows.

This is not movie script. This is a reality we live in now. Morgan Freeman is not acting. He is talking to us. He tells the truth.

I agree completely. Why should we try to be diplomatic with the nation that just attacked us? So we're supposed to just let them keep putting puppets in charge over here? This was not some isolated incident, these attacks will only escalate from here. So we have to retaliate. We either fight back or accept being a Russian client state. Join a Good Fight.

But sharing awareness about what really happened last year and demanding justice is only one aspect of the Good Fight. So I ask fellow NS members – what can we do besides it? How else can we, the people, retaliate?

Ahh yes - those who crave fame and/or are mentally insane, salute you. Has there been any actual evidence of Russian hacking? Any non-circumstancial evidence? Any evidence that's different from the claim "Iraq had WMDs?" This is essentially "Iraq has WMDs 2.0" since all evidence is based on "trust us, we say so!" Mr. Freeman, are you insane?

It's a hard question because as I said at the start, I think we invented God. So if I believe in God, and I do, it's because I think I'm God.

That's his actual quote. Oh damn, "God" has just declared war on Putin, I guess he better be shaking...

I won't dwell on the fact that Rob Reiner is a pathetic has been, looking for fame, and simply point out that the DNC's tune changed rapidly after Clinton lost. A scapegoat was needed - enter Russia. Before the loss, Clinton called on Trump to accept the election results; if the election was rigged by the Russians, why would she do so? Is Hillary Clinton a Russian Spy? Before the loss the Democrats, (who by the way had control of the White House,) were getting ready to celebrate. Were they celebrating Russia's election rigging? Are all Democrats - Russian spies? Did Obama allow the Russians to rig the election of the most powerful country in the World on his watch? If he did - what does that say about his ability to lead after the failure of Arab Spring and Fast & Furious?

Of course not, and that's because the DNC lost the factory white vote in the Rust Belt. That's why they lost. Russia doesn't have the power to influence US elections in a major way. Putin wishes he did, but he doesn't. If the Russians were actually rigging the elections, or attempting to do so, why would Putin favor Trump? Most Americans were anti-Putin at the time, so if Putin was to promote a candidate, wouldn't supporting his opponent be a smarter move? Remember, if he's smart enough to rig the US election, he would've known that. And where's the actual proof? If there was any - it would've been out by now.

So the DNC can either pretend that it was the Russians, and ignore the rust belt, and continue to have Republicans in the White House, or the DNC can get its act together, and realize that the West Wing, Madam Secretary, and all those other shows are fiction; they're not real. And a rogue dictator isn't going to be fooled by looking at Clinton's legs. Yes, that actually happened on Madam Secretary, welcome to Hollywood. Oh, and Mr. Freeman, if you are so powerful as you pretend to be, why did you allow Trump to get elected? Do you really hate America that much, Mr. Freeman? He says it's not a movie script, but it sure reads like one! Then again, WB has to prove that ghosts are real or potentially fork over hundreds of millions of dollars - so Freeman's scripted rant doesn't particularly surprise me:

http://www.businessinsider.com/conjurin ... wan-2017-4

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[Eisen Wolf Reich]

This post is bad, and you should feel bad for posting it. Why, why would any idiot think this? Russia isn't a threat to America anymore, and they didn't hack the election. All they did was expose evidence to the American people, they didn't rig the vote.

[Shofercia]

we should stop pretending Russia is our friend

Thankfully, no sane person (that I know) think like that. Do you have any "Russland-Verstehers" close by? Do they say it out loud? It's a given, that they voted Trump.

Voted for Gary Johnson. So I guess it's not a given, is it, Sharania?

boycott Russian goods?

Nah, I rather like Kaspersky.

boycott Russian goods?

I'm serious here.

P.S. OTOH - can someone explain to me why we still buy spaceship drives from Russia?

Cause Congress won't fund NASA properly, and Congressional Stupidity is also Russia's fault, apparently.

Absolutely insane

He thinks he's a Diety, which doesn't explain why he allowed Trump to be elected - but that's just Freeman "Logic" for ya!

Russia might have influenced the election, but if they did so it was by presenting information to voters, who were not compelled to vote the way they did, but did so knowing the source of the information.

This is not a defense of Trump or Russia, but really, if democracy was compromised it was because of the electoral system, not hacking.

Exactly. Change the system to avoid major dominance by two parties, and you'd have decent candidates.

because most view it as not the enemy, aka Obama saying "the 80s want their foreign policy back" (or something like that) when mitt Romney said Russia, not terrorism, was main threat to US.

To be fair to Bush, Obama and a lot of others, Putin was really good at the PR game and of playing it safe when he had something to gain from it (economic deals with the West). Now he believes he knows the system and how to exploit it, so he doesn't feel the need to look nice to the West.

Biggest threats to America are internal, not external. All Great Countries fall from within, not from external aggression.

[Sovaal]

I'm serious here.

P.S. OTOH - can someone explain to me why we still buy spaceship drives from Russia?

Cause Congress won't fund NASA properly, and Congressional Stupidity is also Russia's fault, apparently.

Silly, everything wrong in the world is either Russia or the West's fault, didn't yah know?

To be fair to Bush, Obama and a lot of others, Putin was really good at the PR game and of playing it safe when he had something to gain from it (economic deals with the West). Now he believes he knows the system and how to exploit it, so he doesn't feel the need to look nice to the West.

Biggest threats to America are internal, not external. All Great Countries fall from within, not from external aggression.[/quote]
So Byzantines had it's lands conquered by themselves?

[Shofercia]

Ha. HA.

I did not said "war". Neither did Mr. Freeman. What about "fight"? What about retaliation?

It's the second fucking thing he says. You didn't even watch the video. What a joke

Ouch! Sharania gets busted on the first page of the OP. This is going to be good!

And America have invaded more countries then they haven't.

recently? like last 10 years? you could MAYBE list Libya if you think that was enough, and in that time Russia annexed crimea, and militarily intervened in a domestic war in Georgia.

Why do you set random timelines? Also, in Georgia, Russian Peacekeepers were attacked. If Cuba captured Guantanamo Bay - would you consider that an internal dispute?

Honestly, looking at what is best for the species as a whole, getting into space is a far more worthwhile goal than continuing this 50+ year pissing contest with the bear.

"Pissing contest"? That's what happened to you last year - just "pissing contest"? "Nothing to see here, move along"?

So the Russians win then? We'll have Republicans running the country forever and NATO effectively dead?

Fuck. That.

> Republicans Running Country
> NATO Dead

recently? like last 10 years? you could MAYBE list Libya if you think that was enough, and in that time Russia annexed crimea, and militarily intervened in a domestic war in Georgia.

Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Libya, Syria? Point is the UNSC 5 tend to be jerks. Because they can.

You just posted a fact in this thread. Are you sure you want to do that?

It's where Osama was hiding. And if you want to go back to Cold War proxy wars, the American list gets much longer.

so one minor raid in 2011 is an invasion? really?

Yes. Really. Welcome to the Real World.

Yeaaaah noooo.

I don't want nuclear war.

I don't remember anybody saying nuke Russia.

Freeman said "war" - how do you think that's going to go with Russia? Do you think the US will be bombed with puppies and kittens?

Indeed. He's the outspoken supporter of racism, sexism and bigotry. Also - a foreign plant.

The only good thing is that overt racists in the Trump administration (e.g. Bannon) have proven themselves to be completely incompetent which has discredit them.

a foreign plant? really? you actually believe the bullshit that the leftist media is pandering? I strongly dislike trump, but I will call out bullshit.

Does Trump conduct photosynthesis?

Russia is escalating their attacks against Eastern European countries that used to be part of Russia, communist and NOT. They're not going to attack the US any time soon.

And what do you mean by 'respond in kind'?

that are trying to join eu and nato, and now they cant because of their issues with Russia.

Have you seen what most EU supporters are saying about Ukraine's bid for the EU? Ukraine is the most corrupt country in Europe, and that's why the EU doesn't want Ukraine. It has nothing to do with Russia.

Clinton would have potentially started ww3 over Syria,

No she wouldn't have.

Her husband almost did, over Kosovo.

[Shofercia]

What is meant by "the good fight" ? How is this fight to be waged? To what extent is Russia to be punished for promoting pro-Trump propaganda and for hacking the DNC? Is this a call for sanctions or a call for invasion?

Let's establish a goal post before we play ball.

Two issues there. First, all countries promote propaganda, so punishing a country for that would make the US look rather idiotic. Second, regarding the hacking, the solution should be this: prove that Moscow did it, and hack the Kremlin back. I hack you, you hack back. This is how it should work.

Russia is escalating their attacks against Eastern European countries that used to be part of Russia, communist and NOT. They're not going to attack the US any time soon.

And you are okay with it?!

And what do you mean by 'respond in kind'?

Meddle in their elections. Tear some holes open in their information net. Start properly supporting dissidents and subversive elements in their country.

They want a spy war then lets give them a spy war. I never said anyone needs to get shot.

If attempting to rig someone's elections isn't a declaration of hostilities then I dunno what is.

> Spy War
> No one needs to get shot

I just feel I should remind everyone that Sharania has a huge political bias in that he thinks most Russians should be stripped of their right to vote so that a liberal dictatorship of pro-Western Russians can be established.

Having Garry Kasparov is your sig is more of a joke tbh

Pretty much.

I dare you to challenge Anne Appelbaum of all people.

Sure: http://exiledonline.com/anne-applebaum-is-a-dingbat/

In that exhibit Anne Applebaum says that Muslims will tear Europe apart.

https://marknesop.wordpress.com/2011/01 ... applebaum/

In that exhibit, Anne Applebaum predicts that when oil prices go down, Russia will be more complacent with the West. Shall I keep going?

I just feel I should remind everyone that Sharania has a huge political bias in that he thinks most Russians should be stripped of their right to vote so that a liberal dictatorship of pro-Western Russians can be established.

Way to twist my words.

Everyone has bias. My bias is that even Russia deserves to be free. Naturally, no one with the connection to the present Regime can assure that. So they must be depreived of their political rights, which they'd use to harm the nascent democracy anyway.

So we should take the people's Right to Vote away, in order to promote Democracy. Oh Sharania, you are indeed hilarious.

I posted many anti Hillary hashtags and memes and have yet recieved a dime from Russia.
#Iwantmymoney

Damn Putin!

And what of the vast majority of people who vote for United Russia, the KPRF, the LDPR? It's undeniable these parties together are voted for by a supermajority of the population.

They were brainwashed. Switch off their Putin TV and they won't vote for them anymore.

Just because people don't vote how you want them to, doesn't mean that they're brainwashed. Are Republicans in the US also brainwashed?

Agree or disagree, basing your opinion, even partially, on what Morgan Freeman thinks is dumb as fuck.

Pretty much.

Anything but admitting progressive-neoliberal platforms are cancerous to electoral success. Couldn't have lost because Hillary and the faction she represented were undesirable, has to be interference, right?

Polling suggests the "RUSSIA! RUSSIA! REEEE" refrain of the democrats isn't a vote winner either, most voters think its ridiculous.

http://thehill.com/homenews/administrat ... sia-probes

Not only does it not convince voters, a majority of voters think this is damaging to the country. It's a vote-loser, not just a failure to convince.

Sixty-four percent of voters said the investigations into President Trump and Russia are hurting the country.

Are you sure you want to post a fact in this thread?

Cause Congress won't fund NASA properly, and Congressional Stupidity is also Russia's fault, apparently.

Silly, everything wrong in the world is either Russia or the West's fault, didn't yah know?

So Morgan Freeman is Putin's fault?

Biggest threats to America are internal, not external. All Great Countries fall from within, not from external aggression.

So Byzantines had it's lands conquered by themselves?

Damn. Should've said "most". You're right, my mistake

[Salus Maior]

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Not "might have". They "influenced". And they did much, much more than that.

There's no real evidence that the hackers were on orders from the Kremlin. Yeah? Like what? And provide legit evidence for it.

[Gauthier]

Welp, this thread turned into Russian erotica real quick.

tl;dr lol democrats and sjw "intelligence" community, et cetera.

[Shofercia]

Welp, this thread turned into Russian erotica real quick.

tl;dr lol democrats and sjw "intelligence" community, et cetera.

It's a bit hard not to laugh at Hillary Clinton who wrote a book titled "What Happened?" which reads more like "waaa, I didn't break the cookie jar!"

In 1928 the Democrats were fucked. Instead of going "waaa, I didn't break the cookie jar!" they took a good look at their own party, realized their mistakes, and elected one of the most prosperous administrations to in Modern US History. Of course then came Truman... but that's besides the point.

The Democrats are in the same boat today. I don't care much for the DNC, but I don't want to see outright slaughter in 2018 and 2020, which is where the blame game is headed. Ostro provided a poll saying that 64% are sick and tired of this nonsense: http://thehill.com/homenews/administrat ... sia-probes

There's another poll that 58% of Americans want Government Funded Healthcare, an area where Republicans failed and Democrats can pounce. Enough of this "waaa, we lost the election!" crap. If the DNC doesn't get over itself, then you're looking at 8 years of Trump, not 4. And then perhaps 8 years of Pence. And I'm looking at elections that are just slaughterhouses. So the DNC should get the fuck over themselves before that happens. Look at Trump right now. Imagine if he thinks he has a mandate/womandate.

Hillary's book shouldn't have been "What Happened?" to which Trump can respond "I Happened" and Republicans can laugh. Hillary's book should be on how to fix healthcare. This bitching, whining, moaning, Russia probes, aren't getting you guys anywhere. And slaughterhouse elections aren't going to get guys like me anywhere either. So DNC should cut the crap, and stop looking like losers, because that's the one thing that American Voters really don't like - losers.

I supported Bernie. He lost. I accepted that. I'm not telling him to run in 2020. Clinton didn't win either, and no matter how many "RUSSIA HURR DURR" isms are said, that's not going to change. Want the vote? Get Healthcare going. This time without taking Blue Dog "concerns" into account.

[The Black Forrest]

Thankfully, no sane person (that I know) think like that. Do you have any "Russland-Verstehers" close by? Do they say it out loud? It's a given, that they voted Trump.

Voted for Gary Johnson. So I guess it's not a given, is it, Sharania?

Voting for someone who has no hope in hell of winning is basically voting for Trump.

[Shofercia]

Voted for Gary Johnson. So I guess it's not a given, is it, Sharania?

Voting for someone who has no hope in hell of winning is basically voting for Trump.

Do you not know how presidential elections in the US work? Let me educate you. There are states called Swing States, where one can remotely argue that's the case. And then there's the rest of America. Where a vote for Johnson is a vote for Johnson, and nothing more. California isn't a Swing State. So in California, voting for Johnson, is, amazingly enough, just voting for Johnson. It's not voting for Trump. Whether I vote for Johnson or Clinton, in California - Trump gets the same benefit - zilch. Furthermore, the pro-Clinton voters set up voter exchanges, where the Johnson voters in the Swing States would vote for Clinton, and the Clintonites, in states like California, would vote for Johnson. If what you're saying is even remotely true, why would the pro-Clinton voters do that?

[The Black Forrest]

Voting for someone who has no hope in hell of winning is basically voting for Trump.

Do you not know how presidential elections in the US work? Let me educate you. There are states called Swing States, where one can remotely argue that's the case. And then there's the rest of America. Where a vote for Johnson is a vote for Johnson, and nothing more. California isn't a Swing State. So in California, voting for Johnson, is, amazingly enough, just voting for Johnson. It's not voting for Trump. Whether I vote for Johnson or Clinton, in California - Trump gets the same benefit - zilch. Furthermore, the pro-Clinton voters set up voter exchanges, where the Johnson voters in the Swing States would vote for Clinton, and the Clintonites, in states like California, would vote for Johnson. If what you're saying is even remotely true, why would the pro-Clinton voters do that?

*shrugs* What ever keeps you happy I guess.

[Lonograd]

This isn't the Cold War, Hillary lost, get over it.

[The Black Forrest]

This isn't the Cold War, Hillary lost, get over it.

Repeat that to there other side as well. "But Hillary..." "But Obama..."

[Gauthier]

This isn't the Cold War, Hillary lost, get over it.

Repeat that to there other side as well. "But Hillary..." "But Obama..."

But none of them want to tell Trump to get over Hillary.

She's the only losing candidate in history to be treated by both sides worse than actual traitors to the country. Demands to accept sole blame, demands to shut the fuck up, demands to flagellate herself like a Filipino Catholic... I'm surprised nobody demanded she kill herself as repentance.

[Surkiea]

I'd rather have them unite with the Russians and join the good fight against the current expansionist German government.

(Image)

Ugh no. Working with the Reds is treason

Assad is also a Red as well, but thankfully Trump has seen common sense and is now pushing for his overthrow, like all decent people should.

[Gauthier]

Ugh no. Working with the Reds is treason

Assad is also a Red as well, but thankfully Trump has seen common sense and is now pushing for his overthrow, like all decent people should.

After bawling about how Obama and Clinton wanted to overthrow Assad to little shock.

[Sanctissima]

So wait, lemme get this straight, Morgan Freeman is calling for a SECOND Cold War?

...

Count me in! I thought I'd never see the day. Time to gear up the military-industrial complex and take Ivan down another notch!

[The Black Forrest]

I'd rather have them unite with the Russians and join the good fight against the current expansionist German government.

(Image)

Is that one guy supposed to be trump? Needs a little more orange.

[Gauthier]

I'd rather have them unite with the Russians and join the good fight against the current expansionist German government.

(Image)

Is that one guy supposed to be trump? Needs a little more orange.

Picture is also way too slim.

[Sharania]

I'm all for fighting a hegemonic terror organisation, just preferably not under the banner of another hegemonic terror organisation.

While it is without doubt that Russia (and China) are, indeed, terror sponsoring states the same could not be said about the US. Personally, I'd rather die under a US Hegemony than a Russian or Chinese one, any day of the week. And I know that most people will agree with me.

[Sharania]

Yes, Russia definitely did intervene in the U.S. election, and it still should be investigated, but Trump is not a Russian puppet.

How do you call an appeaser who was elected thanks to the foreign intervention?

The idea that we are at war with Russia is ludicrous saber rattling. We need to focus on the far more pressing threats of climate change, economic inequality, systemic racism, police militarization, and nuclear proliferation, not trying to create a second Cold War.

Well the Russian Federation is trying to kill us today, so MAYBE lets adjust our defense budget and foreign policy to match?

[Sharania]

That being said, I appreciate the sentiment of wanting to bring justice to those involved in the Russian (and allegedly Trumpist) tampering with the American election, but this seems to stray a bit into actual xenophobia.

No, now is the time to double down, not back away.

[The Lone Alliance]

Sigh... the problem is that Russia has become a nice way to explain away every fuck up the Democratic party made in 2016 as a way to hide from their own faults... which shows they lack self awareness and are heading in the direction of the Republican party... that isn't good.

[Sharania]

Because Russia didn't attack the US (not militarily: if they did, various American cities would be trinitite right now), because Russia didn't start placing bases and installing puppet governments in the countries bordering America, and because if you drop diplomacy against someone who's got all of those nukes, you're going to pay a heavy price.

I never said to start a nuclear war, just not to let Russia destabilize the US, destroy democratic institutions, and not let them become the new world policeman.

They're kinda doing that to us though.

If anything, the US should relax and search for other things to do, maybe in the Pacific. We (in the sense of the community that is the EU) have much less excuses to be lax on the matter. Countries are getting invaded a few klicks east of us.

No. Russia intervened in other elections as well. Leaving our allies out in the cold in the face of Russian aggression is unacceptable.