Morgan Freeman: “Join the Good Fight”

[Senkaku]

I'm all for fighting a hegemonic terror organisation, just preferably not under the banner of another hegemonic terror organisation.

I mean, it's not the most aesthetically pleasing banner, to be sure, but it's not like the Russian one is terribly imaginative, and you'd have the bonus of turbolasers.

[Threlizdun]

Yes, Russia definitely did intervene in the U.S. election, and it still should be investigated, but Trump is not a Russian puppet. The idea that we are at war with Russia is ludicrous saber rattling. We need to focus on the far more pressing threats of climate change, economic inequality, systemic racism, police militarization, and nuclear proliferation, not trying to create a second Cold War.

[Liriena]

"For 241 years, our democracy has been a shining example to the world of what we can all aspire to. And we owe to the brave people who have fought and died this great nation and save democracy. And we owe it to our future generations to continue the fight."

Uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuh... okay? I mean, historically speaking, most American wars had little to do with saving the American nation as a whole or its system of government, and whether said system of government has been a "shining example to the world" is up to debate.

That being said, I appreciate the sentiment of wanting to bring justice to those involved in the Russian (and allegedly Trumpist) tampering with the American election, but this seems to stray a bit into actual xenophobia.

[Risottia]

Why should we try to be diplomatic with the nation that just attacked us?

Because Russia didn't attack the US (not militarily: if they did, various American cities would be trinitite right now), because Russia didn't start placing bases and installing puppet governments in the countries bordering America, and because if you drop diplomacy against someone who's got all of those nukes, you're going to pay a heavy price.

[Agritum]

Why should we try to be diplomatic with the nation that just attacked us?

Because Russia didn't attack the US (not militarily: if they did, various American cities would be trinitite right now), because Russia didn't start placing bases and installing puppet governments in the countries bordering America, and because if you drop diplomacy against someone who's got all of those nukes, you're going to pay a heavy price.

They're kinda doing that to us though.

If anything, the US should relax and search for other things to do, maybe in the Pacific. We (in the sense of the community that is the EU) have much less excuses to be lax on the matter. Countries are getting invaded a few klicks east of us.

[Allanea]

boycott Russian goods?

I'm serious here.

P.S. OTOH - can someone explain to me why we still buy spaceship drives from Russia?

Because Russia has a better space travel safety record than the US, just in pure 'what percentage of manned space missions failed and killed all aboard' terms.

[Allanea]

we should stop pretending Russia is our friend

Thankfully, no sane person (that I know) think like that. Do you have any "Russland-Verstehers" close by? Do they say it out loud? It's a given, that they voted Trump.

Countries are not inherently 'friends' or enemies.

At some parts of US-Russian history, Russia and the US were friends, enemies, allies of convenience, and everything in between.

[Herador]

Agree or disagree, basing your opinion, even partially, on what Morgan Freeman thinks is dumb as fuck.

[Sovaal]

"For 241 years, our democracy has been a shining example to the world of what we can all aspire to. And we owe to the brave people who have fought and died this great nation and save democracy. And we owe it to our future generations to continue the fight."

Uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuh... okay? I mean, historically speaking, most American wars had little to do with saving the American nation as a whole or its system of government, and whether said system of government has been a "shining example to the world" is up to debate.

That being said, I appreciate the sentiment of wanting to bring justice to those involved in the Russian (and allegedly Trumpist) tampering with the American election, but this seems to stray a bit into actual xenophobia.

Welcome to the standard American response to the Russians.

[Albrenia]

Agree or disagree, basing your opinion, even partially, on what Morgan Freeman thinks is dumb as fuck.

I agree with your statement, but must also admit Morgan Freeman has one of the best voices ever.

[Ostroeuropa]

Anything but admitting progressive-neoliberal platforms are cancerous to electoral success. Couldn't have lost because Hillary and the faction she represented were undesirable, has to be interference, right?

Polling suggests the "RUSSIA! RUSSIA! REEEE" refrain of the democrats isn't a vote winner either, most voters think its ridiculous.

http://thehill.com/homenews/administrat ... sia-probes

Not only does it not convince voters, a majority of voters think this is damaging to the country. It's a vote-loser, not just a failure to convince.

Sixty-four percent of voters said the investigations into President Trump and Russia are hurting the country.

[Thermodolia]

I don't know man, calls to war from God don't tend to end well.

What are you talking about god is on our side

[The Eternal Aulus]

No, I as a Dutchman have nothing to win or loose over either Russia or America. I feel no affiliation with either country.

[Lugardia]

I'd rather have them unite with the Russians and join the good fight against the current expansionist German government.

[Sovaal]

I'd rather have them unite with the Russians and join the good fight against the current expansionist German government.

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Usually people argue against American Imperialism alongside German EU domination.

Also, I'm going to "borrow" that image.

[Fartsniffage]

I'd rather have them unite with the Russians and join the good fight against the current expansionist German government.

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When did Boris Johnson get so buff?

[The Eternal Aulus]

I'd rather have them unite with the Russians and join the good fight against the current expansionist German government.

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When did Boris Johnson get so buff?

Roids man, roids.

[Thermodolia]

I'd rather have them unite with the Russians and join the good fight against the current expansionist German government.

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Ugh no. Working with the Reds is treason

[Sovaal]

I'd rather have them unite with the Russians and join the good fight against the current expansionist German government.

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Ugh no. Working with the Reds is treason

I mean, are they really red anymore?

[Thermodolia]

Ugh no. Working with the Reds is treason

I mean, are they really red anymore?

Yes. Ivan will always be the reds to me

[Saiwania]

It is a shame that the media and Washington DC establishment is full of idiots who can't find the correct narrative for the life of them so far as what is really happening in the world. Apparently this includes some celebrities or prominent figures as well. Those people give Russia too much credit so far as the 2016 election goes.

Lets assume that Russia did all they could to support Trump, who cares? Because the fact remains that this wouldn't have mattered or been enough if Hillary Clinton flat out ran a superior campaign than Trump like Obama did against Romney. Clinton didn't even visit Wisconsin, didn't shore up her "blue wall" and ran campaign ads on stuff that voters didn't care about as opposed to policy issues. There were opportunities to go populist but she refused or was unable to adapt to the political winds of that year. There is plenty she did wrong in terms of strategy but Hillary to this day, is blaming everyone and anything else but herself for why she lost.

Russia should be seen as a rival power on the world stage to be respected, like China is but still is a rational actor and is only acting in their self interest like the US does. There is plenty of common ground and goals that could be found between the two nations but unfortunately, too many people in the US establishment want to squander all of that and are too dead set on furthering hostility towards Russia.

Consequently, this is indirectly making world geopolitics more unstable than it should or has to be.

No, the US and Russia don't have to formally be in alliance, but there should be more than enough room to maintain a detente where both nations can cooperate where they agree (such as global stability) but agree to stay in our respective corners of influence out of respect for the other.

[Kartofian]

And America have invaded more countries then they haven't.

recently? like last 10 years? you could MAYBE list Libya if you think that was enough, and in that time Russia annexed crimea, and militarily intervened in a domestic war in Georgia.

Just gonna leave this here...
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-geor ... MO20090930

[Thyest]

If the US went to war every time a country attempts to hack or sway their government, the US would always be at war.

Oh wait

[Certus]

The person who started this thread holds an extremely narrow perception of Trump Voters.

[Kartofian]

The person who started this thread holds an extremely narrow perception of Trump Voters.

Also international relations, Russian domestic politics, and the past 30-ish years of history.